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gravytrain89

gravytrain89

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So SWIM told me about his LSD trip from this last weekend. A random kid from this guy's dorm who had no previous history w/ Entheogens decided to drop two tabs of some PRIME LSD. Apparently the kid tripped his fucking mind off because he became incapacitated, pissed & shit himself, and eventually ended up in the hospital... I don't understand how two normal sized tabs of LSD could have affected him in this manner. I'm mainly concerned because he got the tabs through a supplier I know. Could this happen to me too?

Anyone have anything to add to this?
 
You can always take more, but not less. Perhaps just start with one and see where it's at.

It sounds like this guy thought it was gonna be all colors, fairies, rainbows and butterflies. With no prior experience, he probably wasn't ready for what Lucy had in store for him. He probably pissed and shit himself when he realized how real, unreal and out of control the experience was.

Were you with him at the time? Or did you just hear about it second hand?
 
I wasn't present for it, just heard a second-hand account. Apparently everyone else in the group (5 people, or so) tripped pretty hard for ~10-12 hours...but this kid didn't go to the hospital until they were done tripping and I would guess he was still in a stupor for another 10 hours at least! WILD.
 
Definitely sounds like some potent Lucy if they tripped for 10-12 hours.

One thing about substances I do so enjoy as well, is that they really let you tune into your body. Like with shrooms, you can feel your body digesting the food poisoning and it slowly being processed to your brain. You feel the physiological affects and you know something's working. For a first timer, these "surprise" physical affects (body load) can really freak people out, sending them into horrible trips. Because they think they mistakenly poisoned themselves, they think they took too much or perhaps they think they took the wrong substance.

I would assume here that your friend was one of these three cases. He thought Lucy was all mental, but there is definitely a body load especially if you aren't expecting it. Which would explain why he was in a "hangover" the next day. Your body just got juiced up for 10+ hours on something it's never had introduced to its system. There will be some recovery time. And without that previous substance experience, he probably went to the hospital out of mental fear rather than anything physical.

Another thing to consider is how well your friend normally treats his body. Does he eat well? Drink enough water? Sleep often? Not that these things directly could cause this, but these things are all signs of self-respect. Sometimes if you don't treat your body well, it can have side affects that are noticeable when you face your unconscious.

Check in with him and make sure you friend is alright (as you don't want that karma to carry into your experience). And when you partake, do so responsibly and start with one tab. See where you're at in about an hour and half or 2 and then contemplate the 2nd tab.

~peace and love
 
I think I can agree w/ you on this one. Lucy mind fucked him, which he was ready for. Lucy also body fucked him which, unfortunately for this guy, he was not ready for.

Is it possible LSD + an MAOI could've done something of this nature?
 
Haha yea she can be a bit demanding at times. Speaking of which, let us know how your experience goes. I'm I correctly assuming this is your first time with LSD? And if not, then all the better :D

To answer your question, I'm not sure if Lucy is potentiated by MAOI's. Although, LSD does function a bit different based on it's molecular structure I believe. Perhaps another kind soul with know.

~peace and love
 
Not my first, no- my next trip will be my 7th experience or so. I was just concerned because I get my stuff through the same guy and didn't want to end up being the d00d who couldn't handle his acid, ha.

I believe Lucy is potentiated by MAIO's, I just don't know to what extent...
 
LSD is definitely potentiated by MAOIs, probably double or triple the intensity depending on the dose of the MAOIs. It definitely could increase the side effects he felt. Nowadays, though, it's hard to be sure if you got LSD or some RC passed off as acid. If everyone else had a fairly normal experience, I'd say it was probably just your average freak out, but if multiple people with experience, had any funny feelings, I'd probably be cautious. It's never a bad idea to start low for testing things out.
 
I thought so. I'm pretty sure it was legit LSD since the rest of the group all had a fairly normal experience. So, I guess the kid either had a freak out trip or he had some sort of MAOIs in his system at the time.
 
burnt said:
why would he have taken MAOI?
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I don't know why, maybe because a doctor prescribed him one? I'm just having a hard time believing this kid could've gone through this whole ordeal just from a "freak out".

No one was tripping at this kid's level... completely incapacitated, unable to talk, pissing & shitting himself. You're telling me this is him "freaking out"? I'm not sure I buy that.
 
Friend of mine is very sensitive to mushrooms (he never tried any other psychedelics.) At 3g of dried cubes he completely lost his ego. I could not reach him anymore as he was totally gone, staring at the wall. I let him sit on the couch and went to bed when my trip was over.
In the middle of the night he woke me. He had pissed my couch.

Soem years earlier another friend of mine dropped 1 blotter, expecting LSD to be like MDMA + fairies. He freaked out of course, he died (he thought he choked), and surfaced in a psychosis that lasted about two days.

btw i am glad i had nothing to do with their choice to take psychdelics
 
Virola78 said:
Soem years earlier another friend of mine dropped 1 blotter, expecting LSD to be like MDMA + fairies. He freaked out of course, he died (he thought he choked), and surfaced in a psychosis that lasted about two days.
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Hmm...very interesting. So perhaps he had an increased sensitivity to the substance (especially since it was his first time) and this coupled with his inexperience with Entheogens led him to experience full-blown loss of ego?

I've never experienced the loss of ego before on a trip. How do you get there? Is it negative thoughts spiraling out of control?
 
gravytrain89 said:
I've never experienced the loss of ego before on a trip. How do you get there? Is it negative thoughts spiraling out of control?
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I would say all entheogens have the ability to take you to ego-death. But in part, they are just tools. You have to allow yourself to let go. Let go of all your power and you will gain it all back and more on the other side.

If you are not prepared for ego-death or it comes unexpectedly, then it may feel like negative thoughts spiraling out of control. But when approached properly, it is a release into complete bliss knowing that there is something so much more mysterious and divine than some of the BS of this world, and it's all happening within and without you.

~Peace and Love
 
Ego loss for me usually comes from a large dose and it starts getting really intense. Any problem I have in my subconscious mind will be thrown into my face. I will often talk myself in circles (in my head) and get to a point where I am almost freaking out. I don't worry because I know this is part of the trip deep down, but I'll get to a point where I think I am going to die, forget everything I ever knew, or be crazy. At the climax point, I let go. I stop thinking/stressing out about it all, and then bam, it hits, and suddenly all the problems I had are gone. All the answers I need are plain as day. I see myself as one with the whole universe. My worldly mind and body don't matter, I am connected to everything in the universe, and understand how it all works and my place in it.

Someone who experiences this can get caught in the part before the climax hits. Often people don't know how to let go, and when going too far too fast, they get stuck in a loop or onto negative ideas. It can be hard to work through the trouble inside you, especially if it's your first time and have no idea what to expect or feel. It's often scary and people react all kinds of ways when they are terrified. His reactions sound like this could be what happened to him, but I am no expert, just lots of experience.
 
First off... Temporary psychosis lasting longer than the drugs duration, is a sure fire indicator that psychedelics are not for that person, its very unfortunate to hear this from time to time. But the relaity is that some people are just not wired to do the round trip.

GratefulDad said:
Someone who experiences this can get caught in the part before the climax hits. Often people don't know how to let go, and when going too far too fast, they get stuck in a loop or onto negative ideas. It can be hard to work through the trouble inside you, especially if it's your first time and have no idea what to expect or feel. It's often scary and people react all kinds of ways when they are terrified. His reactions sound like this could be what happened to him, but I am no expert, just lots of experience.
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This sounds like its summed up perfectly. And it can happen to anyone... In fact Id say if it hasnt happened to you at one time or another then its coming! In the moment, those thoughts are everything, and to sit back and look at the negative thoughts as a transitional process that leads to something good can be very confusing in and of itself. Sometimes it just happens so fast you forget who you are what you've eaten, where you've come from or where your going and panic sets in

I couldnt let go one evening on a single blotter early in the new millenium. I didnt piss and shit myself (although if I had a full bladder and bowel I may well have) I did end up shedding all my clothes and fighting death and insanity with everything I had in me. That loop lasted about 4 hours or so untill when all my attempts at reversing this terrible condition failed I eventually collapsed in a nakeed heap and surrendered to imminent doom. It never came tho, and quite quickly turned around and became a peaceful comedown (despite my quite psychotic reaction previously). That experience was invaluable, and although mine might be approaching the extrreme end of the reaction scale, Its never happened since and I know now to meet those feelings of death doom and loss of knowledge to be a great stepping stone into love peace and ultimate creativity.

So in short gravitytrain.... if you "didn't want to end up being the d00d who couldn't handle his acid" I think you should be prepared to be the guy who can't handle it..... Id be worried about anyone who wasnt prepared for that to happen to them. If your interested in this state of mind, chances are your gonna be the guy at some point :)
 
All interesting stuff, thanks so much for your posts. SWIM tried the LSD finally and sure enough it was some very potent stuff. A one tab dose resulted in a very, very giggly ~10 hour trip w/ OEVs lasting for many hours. SWIM is going to try 3 next time. =)
 
gravytrain89 said:
All interesting stuff, thanks so much for your posts. SWIM tried the LSD finally and sure enough it was some very potent stuff. A one tab dose resulted in a very, very giggly ~10 hour trip w/ OEVs lasting for many hours. SWIM is going to try 3 next time. =)
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May i suggest you consider trying 2 next time. and even that can be quite a jump i think. You know, set and setting and all that. I have never taken acid, but i can tell you that 15g truffles make me all giggly and stuff, which is nice to do together with friends, walk outside and social activities alike, but 30g of those and i find myself on a different level really.

Actually now that i think about it i am puzzled by your decision to take three tabs, after your read all the btw good reactions to your original post.
On the other hand, you probably survive and be fine. go for it lol. I would make sure i wasnt in the wrong place (to panic) when i gradually loose my ego structure so to speak.
 
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