"So your supposition is that matter is eternal, instead of God?"

No. I said..

fractal enchantment wrote:

"well by your "logic" you can just replace "universe" with "god" and come to the same conlusion, that it cant come from nothing..so then..does "god" believe in god?"

Nowhere did I say "universe" equates to matter..maybe multiverse is a better term here and it implies *everything*..matter or not..

"it is not very reasonable to suppose that man would write a book so damaging to His own pride. Yet, ALL other religions are polar opposites. Christianity stands alone in salvation by grace through faith alone, and not of works. I wonder why this is?"

Uhh..what? ^ that is just so not true..I hardely believe you can even name all other religions since there are soo many.

anyways, this is an interestig topic and we could go on and on but I have gone down this road far too many times..

Il leave the rest of this discussion to others.