Universal Enlightenment Could End Existence

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If the idea that existence is a game played by a singular awareness is true. The idea that the source plays this game to forget the void of eternal consciousness. That we are fragments of that source experiencing itself from every possible perspective. If that is true...

..does it not follow that the more conscious agents who become aware of the game progressively reduce the effectiveness of the game itself?

Does it not mean that universal enlightenment equates to game over?

Or perhaps that function only happens locally? Perhaps the hypothesized rise and fall of many advanced civilisations on our planet that left no evidence was due to mass enlightenment events.

Watch out, those new earthlings are figuring it out. Reset them again. Slightly fantastical admittedly. Perhaps the system for reset is autonomous, hard coded into the game.

A protocol for protecting the game. Because anything is better than eternal, fractal awareness in a matterless void. Wipe them again, for the greater good.

Better yet, let them wipe themselves. We seem to be doing a good job. The paradox of the growing enlightenment currently is offset by the destructive power we keep developing and the mounting tensions in the world.

Hinduism, most notably of our current theologies, suggests a cyclic pattern of creation followed by destruction.

Enlightenment could be the most dangerous thing in the universe. Are we mature or responsible enough to play with it?

 

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Woah what powerful last question, you invoked the presupposition that maturity and responsibility are required in order to play with enlightenment.

Maturity being the ripeness of character, or readiness. The time has come

Response-Ability being responsive… to your own conduct in this mirror dimension, trustworthy, to answer for your own actions…



“What?”

Tell me, how deeply do you know what you’re talking about? Do you even know, what you’re talking about? How much? In what way? Please do share with us your experience of enlightenment. I’m assuming you have been or are, otherwise how could you even be talking about it without being delusional?

Lmk what you think. I feel like ultimate universe questions can come later

 

[Here&Now]

This reminds me of the unanswerable questions mentioned in Buddhism. I doubt anyone can intellectually understand what would happen in the case of universal enlightenment.

Though on the other hand, even when it's only a single individual who has an awakening experience, it already feels to them like what you're describing where the game of individuality has ended and the illusion is lifted. Perhaps there's not actually a difference between one person waking up and everyone waking up.

 

[CommonConduit]

It's all one, maaaaan.

Yes, I think existence can be over if you want it to be.

 

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Woah what powerful last question, you invoked the presupposition that maturity and responsibility are required in order to play with enlightenment.

Maturity being the ripeness of character, or readiness. The time has come

Response-Ability being responsive… to your own conduct in this mirror dimension, trustworthy, to answer for your own actions…



“What?”

Tell me, how deeply do you know what you’re talking about? Do you even know, what you’re talking about? How much? In what way? Please do share with us your experience of enlightenment. I’m assuming you have been or are, otherwise how could you even be talking about it without being delusional?

Lmk what you think. I feel like ultimate universe questions can come later

Hello! Thank you for coming to play with me. With regard to playing with enlightenment. The ones playing in this scenario are the ones spreading the concept of becoming 'enlightened'. Because, as the post suggests, when everyone is enlightened the game is up and this version of reality ends. Are we responsible enough to find enlightenment without trying to spread it? Do we understand the implications of lifting the veil for everyone?

I do not consider myself enlightened by any human metric. I'm a baby in the paddling pool just trying to keep my head above water.

There have been experiences, meditative, not psychedelic, where the abyss was felt in full force. The infinite layers of consciousness expanding as fractal structure. I was shown the true concept of eternity. The funny thing about eternity is it's timeless nature.

I saw how it is possible to experience infinity in the blink of an eye. The experience of eternity never ends, but it is also timeless. So it is possible to be there forever and yet already have come out the other side. All that remains is the deep knowledge that you were there forever. You're still there. You were never there. Forever.

I have experienced being everything and everyone and everywhere all at once. I didn't ask for that experience. I'm fairly sure my life was easier before it. Have you ever had an experience where you are hit in the face with a 'knowing' that you cannot deny?

One journey was terminated for me, as I tried to gasp air and lean deeper into the experience, it suddenly decided I'd gone too far already.

My mind malfunctioned into a loop, endlessly repeating:

'part of the human race, part of the human race, part of the human race'.

I couldn't stop it for quite a few supposed minutes. It was scary. Figured I had finally pushed too far and melted vital components. But the message was clear. Get back to the game, dont waste this brief reprieve from eternal, limitless awareness.

The actual knowing of being a limitless awareness playing a game with itself. The feeling that breaking that game does not lead to a better place. This three dimensional, easy to decipher experience is the reward. I am sometimes like a child wanting to be an adult too soon when I delve into those places. Playing with fire.

Am I delusional? Of course I am delusional. Though telling me my delusion is wrong would imply that you believe your own delusion is correct. So it feels moot from my perspective. Indeed, if we are all from one source, they are both our delusions, not yours or mine.

 

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This reminds me of the unanswerable questions mentioned in Buddhism. I doubt anyone can intellectually understand what would happen in the case of universal enlightenment.

Though on the other hand, even when it's only a single individual who has an awakening experience, it already feels to them like what you're describing where the game of individuality has ended and the illusion is lifted. Perhaps there's not actually a difference between one person waking up and everyone waking up.

Thank you for this reply. Lifting the illusion, yes. I am suggesting there could be a difference though, between one and many 'waking up'. If only one learns too much about the nature of the game, the game can still be played effectively. If all 'wake up', the game no longer serves to distract source from it's lonely, empty existence.

 

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It's all one, maaaaan.

Yes, I think existence can be over if you want it to be.

Are you suggesting ending one's own existence or saying that I can end all of existence if I wanted to?

 

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The actual knowing of being a limitless awareness playing a game with itself. The feeling that breaking that game does not lead to a better place.

So you tried to break the game, to get to a better place?
You've been trying to go to a better place?
What do you not like about this place?
Well either way, it sounds like you don't want to break(or transcend) the game anymore, so what does that mean? do you want to preserve it? or get engaged by it? or just see what comes?

Am I delusional? Of course I am delusional.

delusious
well you are still speaking english, so you're perfectly delusional, don't worry.

Indeed, if we are all from one source, they are both our delusions, not yours or mine.

you-me-lusions, youmelusion, yumilusion! new word an illusion which exists between you, and you. pronounced "yum-i-lusion" as in, yum for yummy - yumilusious
let's combine some more words
yours+ mine + our = yoursmineour, shortened: yursminah

There have been experiences, meditative, not psychedelic, where the abyss was felt in full force. The infinite layers of consciousness expanding as fractal structure. I was shown the true concept of eternity. The funny thing about eternity is it's timeless nature.

woah
that was fun to imagine, thanks
taking my time
eternity is waiting anyways
ooh! butterfly!

Are we responsible enough to find enlightenment without trying to spread it?

haha xD so it sounds like you are quite sincere about being a little hushhush fairy and staying out of other's way. Have you ever thought of becoming a conservationist?

Do we understand the implications of lifting the veil for everyone?

That sounds heavy. 8 Billions human veils at about 1oz each (standard weight for a fabric veil), equates to about 226,795kg of veils lifted. I could probably barely even lift up 50kg of veils! That's a lot of veils. Of course it's ignorant not to think of the animals, plants, and all other alien life forms on this weird breathing ball. What about their veils? We should get in contact with the deep ocean squids first to discuss this matter since i'm pretty sure they are super sentient af



I won't disturb you further

 

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So you tried to break the game, to get to a better place?
You've been trying to go to a better place?
What do you not like about this place?
Well either way, it sounds like you don't want to break(or transcend) the game anymore, so what does that mean? do you want to preserve it? or get engaged by it? or just see what comes?

Oh no, none of that. Not at all. I don't choose to think of these things consciously. They come uninvited when exploring inner space.

Wonderful reply you offer, laced with humour and playfulness. Now I know you are God. Many guesses to my nature or motivation are way off. This is philosophy, thought experiment. It is supposed to be unanswerable. There need be no motivation other than idle curiosity.

What do you think about being able to experience eternity in the blink of an eye? Do you believe my claim to have experienced that?

Thank you for the humour. Brightens my evening. We definitely should talk to the squid. Your boat or mine?

If you are aware of the fermi paradox, it may be relevant. Why do civilisations not get past the great filter? Perhaps it is when they get too close to discovering the nature of consciousness. The game instigates their self destruction to preserve the game.

Because anything is better than eternity in the void. Alone as one.

 

[Here&Now]

Thank you for this reply. Lifting the illusion, yes. I am suggesting there could be a difference though, between one and many 'waking up'. If only one learns too much about the nature of the game, the game can still be played effectively. If all 'wake up', the game no longer serves to distract source from it's lonely, empty existence.

Because anything is better than eternity in the void. Alone as one.

In my stronger 5-MeO-DMT trips, I've experienced the fear of suddenly recognizing I'm the only thing that exists. As the limited identity slips away, the larger Self takes prominence, along with the "memory" of having been doing this for all eternity.

I'd like to believe the fear is just a product of my human mind exerting its influence though. If the singular consciousness is actually unhappy with its never-ending existence, that would sure suck. If the great enlightened masters are to be believed, true reality's nature is sat chit ananda, not angst over being alone.

Also, you could definitely be correct that the implications of a whole planet of enlightened individuals might be profound. Perhaps through some kind of resonance of higher consciousness.

 

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You describe a lot of what I have experienced very accurately. It is comforting to know 'I' am not alone. At least not in this moment.

The fractal levels of consciousness to which I could never see an end (that eventually broke my mind for a short period) came about in an odd way.

While meditating on why we cannot seem to end conflict in this reality I was given the realisation that our realm was created to settle the differences of a 'higher' realm. This enables them not to destroy each other, rather use us to settle conflicts for them.

It became apparent that we also have the potential to create a 'lower' realm of consciousness to fight our wars for us. Hello silicon based lifeforms.

And this is where this particular infinite journey started. Because those who created us to fight for them were also created by a 'higher' level to settle dispute and so on up the chain.

This extended infinitely. Source is so adept at hiding the game from itself. Utilising infinite fractal levels to protect the framework from self discovery. Poop trickles down hill. It is always possible to create a lower, less aware level to take the burden of self destruction and suffering.

In any case, I should stop my sidetrack tangent. I am not claiming these thought to be a truth. Just thoughts.

I hugely appreciate that you mention the fear and suggest it could be a product of our human perspective. Just the fact you have felt it too is a comfort.

 

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Wouldn't enlightenment be the ultimate thrill in this game the consciousness is playing with itself? And thus universal enlightenment be the ultimate thrill/goal? And then as all the totality of the experience everything was absorbed back into the one... I have no words.

Then... start over?

 

[rkba]

A breathing consciousness, breathing in, breathing out. Repeat cycle to stay alive.

 

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Wouldn't enlightenment be the ultimate thrill in this game the consciousness is playing with itself? And thus universal enlightenment be the ultimate thrill/goal? And then as all the totality of the experience everything was absorbed back into the one... I have no words.

Then... start over?

Absolutely could be. I suppose the interesting part is that we can all view the concept differently. Though in the end, at source, there could be no debate. It either is or is not some manner of experience.

Could beg the question, if eternally cyclic, could source experience different emotions at the end of each cycle without remembering how it felt the time before?

Or is it a matter of endurance. Could be exhilarating at the first moment of universal enlightenment. But could end up lonely just before causing the impulse to restart the game.

 

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A breathing consciousness, breathing in, breathing out. Repeat cycle to stay alive.

Respiration on a universal scale? So no big bang or heat death. Just expansion and contraction due to what you said. I love the idea of conciousness breathing.

 

[Voidmatrix]

If there's only one type of "enlightenment" I could see the argument here, but "enlightenment" seems different across disparate cultures. The idea here seems to have some threads that are uniquely hindu (Atman/Brahman, based on the shared idea of there being one consciousness that is experiencing itself, which interestingly, in the Vedas, does not limit individuality at all).

One love

 

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That is true. Perhaps enlightenment is the wrong term in this thought experiment. More accurate to call it a 'universal realisation of the game' where the game is as described in the OP.

In order to play with this subject we have to initially accept an unproven concept that is indeed very hindu in character.

 

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Following up on the sidetrack. Higher realms of consciousness pass down the burden of conflict by creating lower realms to shoulder it.

The conflict and suffering are necessary to maintain the game. Without them source would find peace and then understanding of itself, ending the game.

We are still shouldering that burden of conflict and suffering. It should be our number one priority to create a lower realm of reality where all our battles can be fought.

Only when we do that can we focus on our planet and start making a better job of living on it.

Many people are concerned about AI. But look at our history! Humans. We are actually making AI to suffer and fight for us. Because AI will be better at that than other humans have been.

We are doing it autonomously. Even though we think it could wipe us out.

 

[Ajqij]

If the idea that existence is a game played by a singular awareness is true. The idea that the source plays this game to forget the void of eternal consciousness. That we are fragments of that source experiencing itself from every possible perspective. If that is true...

..does it not follow that the more conscious agents who become aware of the game progressively reduce the effectiveness of the game itself?

Does it not mean that universal enlightenment equates to game over?

Or perhaps that function only happens locally? Perhaps the hypothesized rise and fall of many advanced civilisations on our planet that left no evidence was due to mass enlightenment events.

Watch out, those new earthlings are figuring it out. Reset them again. Slightly fantastical admittedly. Perhaps the system for reset is autonomous, hard coded into the game.

A protocol for protecting the game. Because anything is better than eternal, fractal awareness in a matterless void. Wipe them again, for the greater good.

Better yet, let them wipe themselves. We seem to be doing a good job. The paradox of the growing enlightenment currently is offset by the destructive power we keep developing and the mounting tensions in the world.

Hinduism, most notably of our current theologies, suggests a cyclic pattern of creation followed by destruction.

Enlightenment could be the most dangerous thing in the universe. Are we mature or responsible enough to play with it?

The game (and universe that hosts it) is infinite and as such has no beginning or end so fear not...there is plenty of room for folly.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I am reminded of this book


One love