Vaping DMT from an electronic PEN vaporiser

[Magic Monkey]

Hi guys

I'm new to deemster (love this expression I just learned a few days ago). Got started last year (I'll write something about myself in the introduction section soon).

Since December I'm frequent. Currently vaping it multiple times a week (sometimes in the evenings after work, though not quite on a daily basis), multiple times a day on one or two weekend days. Till now, every other week I took a break to recover my lungs since vaping DMT from alfoil aka "tin foil" made from aluminium and PET left a mild cough on my sensitive non-smoker lungs. Having a break for a week made that cough go away. Sometimes I used budesonide/formoterol fumarate dihydrate inhalations before vaping DMT, as it effectively prevented coughs too (won't mention product's name in respect of Nexian attitudes). Usually I do 50-60mg DMT, after first "booting" into a new session having two, three vapes of 20-30mg for starters.

Everything was fine. Yet, I had to find an alternative to the PET/alfoil system, which really worked great once I had a feel for torching it right. But why find an alternative for a working system?

First, the PET/alfoil system looks somewhat crude and rough... a question of style maybe?

Second, I clearly preferred the 2l PET bottles over 1l and 1.5l. I seemed to achieve single hit breakthroughs more easily. That's a lot of artificial sodas I've been drinking lately (before I avoided artificial drinks). For DMT I'll drink 2l of Cola a day, no question. The real problem, though, was getting rid of these loads of stinking, cut PET bottles all the time... Besides, the heat deformed the PET, so I'm not sure, torching might have produced PET fumes too.

Third, the alfoil. For example, I've stopped buying Kebab a few years ago. They're always sold wrapped in alfoil. This is total nonsense from an ecological point of view. Aluminium has a heavy manufacturing footprint regarding energy consumption and CO2 spit-out of 12 tonnes equivalents for 1 tonne of al. I'm still on the first roll I bought last year for my very first puff of DMT in summer (before, alfoil didn't exist in my household). It's slowly running out now, and eco-friendliness requires a change of vaping method, especially at the current frequency.
Another issue with foil is torching the DMT without burning it (accounts for both, deemster and foil), yet speedily enough to avoid recrystallisation and loss. I got a feel for torching after a while, so it wasn't really an issue. Though I didn't really like the pinprick holes torching sometimes left in the foil. They let me assume that some foil could have transitioned to gas-phase too...

So, what's the best DMT inhalation method?

I considered vaporising DMT right after my first Ayahuasca experience, but which vaporisers are the ones to go for? Unfortunately, they're too expensive to buy and test them all with DMT... Optimally a vaporiser allows single hit breakthroughs. I guess a balloon system might do the job (but these vaporisers are very expensive, especially regarding exclusive DMT use). A GVG? Yeah, a friend recommended it, and I've planned to get one, it's on my wish list (question of dough, because I have to import it, adding shipping cost and import taxes to the US price tag).

Recently I read here, on this forum, and there that PEN vaporisers work too, e. g. the micro G Pen was mentioned. Unfortunately, the micro isn't available at our local head shop (we're provincial, hence my affinity for slang, by the way). They've got the new one, the G Pen Pro, 500mg tank for herbs only, no oils or waxes. "Useless for DMT", you'd think, because once molten it'll dribble from the herb tank into the vaporiser's interior, onto electronics and heating elements. We'll, I guess I needn't tell you how deemster world works - I just had that impulse to go for this G Pen Pro anyway (well ok, it's the Snoop Dogg edition I also like for the blue leaf design :roll: ).

Now, here's the story:

The major pro I think here is that the herb-only tank itself heats up (conduction), it's not just hot air passing through the tank (convection). The tank's stainless steel, so basically the DMT in the tank gets heated like deemster on foil. First it heats up fast, vaporises, fills the 500mg herb tank, and then remains in there at the steady temperature the pen's been set to (no recrystallisation).
The herb-only conductive heating tank easily contains DMT powder, using a little tweak (see photo) to solve the dribbling issue. Copycat mode. Steal the mesh from the machine, and you're there. You just place steel wool in the herb tank and then spice it. That's spiced steel wool as herb, basically.

Cave: Please ensure that the steel wool is not too fine, so you don't accidentally inhale small parts of it. Maybe you want to toast it first to get rid of unwanted production residues before you use it (accounts for both, steel wool and herb tank of the G Pen Pro).

If you want additional protection for the pen's interior, put a small layer of natural herbs on the base of the tank, before you insert the steel wool. Such a layer alone could be sufficient, so maybe you wouldn't even need steel wool. As steel wool works perfectly fine for me, I haven't tested whether DMT vaporises sufficiently without it. Neither do I know whether the spice would dribble into the pen's interior without mesh to hold it. The air holes in the base of the G Pen Pros tank are pinpricks arranged in a circle, so in any case molten DMT won't dribble through easily.

All in all, there's no need to solve deemster in any oils or e-liquids. Just spice the steel wool in the herb tank.

So, does it work?

The 20mg I prepared for the first test worked out pretty exactly in the way I know 20mg to work from the PET/alfoil system. Heating of the pen took approx 90 seconds. Thereafter I waited for another 90 seconds, then I took two hits around midnight. Perfect mild entry level trip.

The 60mg I put in for the second test this morning at about 1.10am... blasted me gone. Virtually. Totally. Mentally I wasn't really prepared. I still was in a sort of "technician testing" mode, not exactly meditative, but hell yeah, that was a take off after three hits from the pen. Totally lost here-and-now-awareness, as awareness of my body. I was close to this state twice before using PET/alfoil. That's close, not actually there. I'd say this was the most massive DMT trip eversince. I (almost) forgot to put the pen down after the third hit (I think at some point a machine elf reminded me gently to put it away)...

For the next one, approx one hour later (2.35am) I spiced the mesh again with 60mg. The previous trip shook my DMT foundations, but nevertheless it had been, as always, a very pleasant and fascinating overall experience. I was ready for another full immersion. Mentally I was prepared this time, of course. Still, the experience was so overwhelming, it's hard to describe, and guess what, for some reason I only took one and a half hit this time... I got blasted away even further than before. After this trip, I suspected "residue" in the tank might have elevated the dose. Wait, what residue? The previous trip already had been the most massive, there simply couldn't have been any residue...

Around 4am I wanted to know the strength of residue in the tank. Unfortunately, the pen didn't heat up properly (remained in heating mode, and finally requested a recharge after three minutes). Nevertheless I took some hits, resulting in a mild buzz and clearly present visuals. It was slightly milder than the first 20mg I had. Then I connected the pen to the USB charger and went to sleep till 10am.

11.45am I went for the second residue test. I didn't reload the pen, that is. I just fired it up and took three hits. Gone. Not quite as far as with the two 60mg vapes, but certainly far enough. Heating of the pen took approx 90 seconds. This time I waited for another 120 seconds until I inhaled.

After 1pm I went for the third residue test. Again, heating took approx 90 seconds, and I waited for another 120 seconds until inhaling deeply three times. This one gave me a mild buzz, feeling connected, slight visuals for a while. The effects were milder than the ones triggered by the 20mg dose and slightly milder than the effects from the first residue test at 4am.

Spiced steel wool herb in the conductive G Pen Pro vaporizer does work for sure!

I only need to get a feel now for timing after heating the pen and the number of hits to take, having an eye on the residue issue.

Does anybody have any remarks, further suggestions or experiences with this system?

Love,
Magic Monkey

 

[Aum_Shanti]

Nice.

Basically it seems to me very similar to the liquid/wax capsule system of the Flowermate vaporizers. They also have the herb chamber, but for wax/liquid they just give you a metal cylinder with cotton inside, which you put into the herb chamber. So very similar. But honestly I would think that steel wool probably should work better than cotton.

IMHO ideally would be something like the Volcano liquid pad in it.

 

[Magic Monkey]

Nice.

Basically it seems to me very similar to the liquid/wax capsule system of the Flowermate vaporizers. They also have the herb chamber, but for wax/liquid they just give you a metal cylinder with cotton inside, which you put into the herb chamber. So very similar. But honestly I would think that steel wool probably should work better than cotton.

IMHO ideally would be something like the Volcano liquid pad in it.

Thanks for the input, Aum_Shanti.

Fine standard steel wool easily catches fire when torched. Volcano mesh shouldn't be contaminated with production residues (no need to torch it before use, no danger of burning it). Made for vaporizing, it should be heat proof (shouldn't catch fire while vaping/torching). BTW, same applies to the VG/GVG mesh insert. I'll give it a try and report back.

 

[Magic Monkey]

G Pen Pro Tweak Update:

Inspection of G Pen Pro after use showed layer of herbs on base of tank turned dark, slightly sticky and slightly difficult to scratch off. Replaced it with small piece of foil (see attached photo). Shaped properly, foil leaves enough space for air flow.

To clean it, I heated the Pen for a while (no mouthpiece attached). Fine vapour ascended from the tank for a while. The heat made cleaning easy with a pipe cleaner.

Inspection of foil revealed no significant amounts of visible residue after multiple uses. Just add enough steel mesh into the tank (but the more the slower air flow / harder the pulls). Using Volcano or VG/GVG mesh insert for oil/waxes as suggested by Aum_Shanti could render foil obsolete (I'll report back once I've tested it).

Sticking to mouthpiece and its plastic/rubber attachments was brown residue. Settings: Pen was set to 215°C, heat-up time was approx 90sec, and I waited additional 90-120sec before inhaling.

After using the pen with spiced mesh (mesh type shown on the picture in the first post) multiple times (on a daily basis, multiple times a day, for a week :roll: now I need to take a break :lol: ), I'm convinced it's a really convenient way to vape spice, a real magic wand.

Depending on number of hits I took (1-3), at 60mg I've experienced different trip intensities. One hit lifts to impressive, joyful, playful, pleasant encounters that are fully immersive in their way, two or three lift-off into hyperspace.
Number of hits doesn't seem to significantly influence amount of residue left for an additional trip without reloading pen, I found (subject to further review).

 

[Aum_Shanti]

I would think 215°C is a bit too high of a temp (that's probably why you need 60mg and that there's no residue). Especially if you wait additional time, before vaping. But it depends a bit, where your spice exactly is in the chamber.

E.g. on first tries I only had the spice on top, so that it didn't get as much heat, and it worked better. But when I placed the spice at the bottom of the chamber, where there is the full heat, it worked much less, as most of it burnt. So I started to go down in Temp. I'm still fiddling with that parameter.
I have to say, I still did not manage to break through with this. But I also always just loaded 30mg. But for me the problem seems to be mainly to get additional tokes, as I immediately get disconnected from my body upon the first toke...

 

[Magic Monkey]

I have to say, I still did not manage to break through with this. But I also always just loaded 30mg.

Hm, what's a actually a "breakthrough"? Experiencing yourself floating in space for real? :lol: I haven't found a perfectly clear definition of a DMT breakthrough yet.

Do you need to loose awareness of physical body and location and really "space out" to call a DMT experience a "breakthrough"?
Would you consider clear contact with entities (you might encounter them while present in your room, still aware of your body and location, the locatoin maybe appearing distorted in one way or another) sufficient to speak of a "breakthrough"?
Does the expression come from virtually "breaking through into other dimensions"? Do you experience a lucid dream with eyes open? Or would you simply consider the state of consciousness you access with increased levels of DMT a true breakthrough in personal development (and maybe a breakthrough in personal [psychedelic] enlightenment)?

All I have is my experience:

On my first Ayahuasca trip I didn't break through. I vomited early. Therefore only small amounts of DMT got absorbed by my body. Though I experienced oneirogenic effects. I entered a closed-eyes journey that tricked me into really thinking and feeling I was in a lucid dream at one point, but actually I was only lying on the bed awake, eyes closed.
Since I've had real lucid dreams before, this experience wasn't a breakthough in personal consciousness development. I didn't experience any distortion of perception, and I didn't consider it a breakthrough. Besides, the oneirogenic effect might have been triggered by the harmaline I had taken approx 10 minutes earlier.

My second Ayahuasca trip the next day I consider a breakthrough into hyperspace. At that time I already knew LSD very well. Yet, DMT took me to an entirely new level of psychedelic experience. I was lying on a bed during the trip. I can't recall whether I was lying there with eyes open or closed when I experienced being in hyperspace. I know I had my eyes open at some times and closed at others. Open or closed, it didn't make much difference. It didn't significantly change where I was and what I was experiencing in my mind.
This was a very intense experience. I never had immersed as deep into psychedelic realms before. In comparison, LSD now meant swimming on the surface of the sea, while this Ayahuasca experience was really a dive deep into it. I visited the other side. The experience was as clear, coherent and immersive as it never or only seldom had been before on LSD. For me this was a breakthrough in every respect. I didn't have the slightest doubt that I had "broken through" in the sense DMT psychonauts refer to.

DMT experiences were slightly different from Ayahuasca trips. Submodalities were basically the same, DMT at work (let's call it DMT aRt work). But with DMT the setting was different, e.g. no vomiting, sitting upright, all at home and only 10 minutes of intense trip time in average.
Sometimes I couldn't remember whether I had eyes open or closed. Some DMT sessions I can hardly remember anyway. I remember some fragments or representations of what I experienced, but the experiences resemble too complex representations to remember in standard consciousness. It's easier to remember sub-breakthrough events.

I've experienced DMT trips I'd call "sub-breakthrough". That's clearly visible, moving patterns (on walls, carpets, objects), interior gets that plastic-like touch, but there are no substantial animations of objects or encounters with entities. Maybe some thingy things are around, and with closed eyes I get some light kaleidoscopic effects, sometimes there's a feeling affecting the entire body, sometimes gentle Muses's kisses.
Almost certainly I experience mental relaxation, a very nice and convenient state of consciousness to contemplate things. That's basically what I'm used to experience when I vaporise around 20mg, using the PET/alfoil system or the electronic pen vaporiser. It's what I call a meditative, contemplative or introspective dose.

50-60mg I got to know as 10 minutes of what I'd call "breakthrough time". From a sober scientific point of view you'd say 10 minutes of "intense hallucinations". From a more mystical point of view you'd maybe say... "breakthrough"? When tripping with eyes open, most times I remained (faintly) aware of my body and location, although I was "hallucinating" massively, taking off with my mind into psychedelic experience. Sometimes I lost awareness of location and body completely and experienced totally out-of-our-worldish things. With eyes shut, on 50-60mg I always take off into hyperspace to totally different spaces and places, having visions, encounters in a truly strange space, during which I forget my surroundings.

One remarkable thing is that no single Ayahuasca trip was like another, and the same accounts for DMT. They were all quite different, unique. And I wouldn't say that the difference is defined by sub-breakthrough/breakthrough only, that's a very one-dimensional measure. Compared to LSD I'd speak of a broader "bandwidth" of types of experiences. Once you know LSD, you basically know what to expect. Ayahuasca and DMT seem to me a bit different here. "Submodalities" basically stay the same, you know what to expect on that level. Only you don't know what's going to happen, while LSD to me seems more predictable or controllable here (but maybe that's a question of experience, and today I'm still more experienced with LSD than with DMT).

How would you describe a breakthrough, or how would you describe the difference between breakthrough and sub-breakthrough?

But for me the problem seems to be mainly to get additional tokes, as I immediately get disconnected from my body upon the first toke...

Sounds familiar, but I don't experience a disconnection from my body, since with eyes open I often remain aware of it, at least faintly. Though I often remain in the position I'm sitting in for vaporising rather than moving into the relaxed position the chair would allow, leaning back. It takes a while until I remember to lean back and relax, often minutes. Multiple times I also intended to close my eyes or lower the eye mask from my forehead over the eyes, but I didn't get that far. Sometimes I just managed to get a third toke before falling into trance stiffness...

 

[Aum_Shanti]

I have to say, I had a few ego deaths on other substances (mainly LSD). And there IMHO it is obvious when it happens. You are not in this realm anymore, there's no more body to have open or closed eyes, etc. There's only "the one", experiencing itself in various forms.

But as I imagine, it seems the typical DMT Breakthrough is something before this complete dissolution of self. Where you get "partially" disconnected so that you can experience other levels of consciousness, but without complete loss of self awareness.
As it seems, with high doses of DMT you often also seem to then get to this state.

But all this said, is just from reports read, as I said, I didn't yet manage to get in this state myself.

before falling into trance stiffness...

Lol, that's exactly what I meant. Very good description for it. But it seems like this stiffness sets in very fast for me.