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Vaporized DMT and "willpower" & journal of experiences

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resonanting_sloth

resonanting_sloth

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I've noticed something in my experiments over the last couple weeks, and it's been corroborated by my buddy who participates somewhat regularly.

No "breakthroughs" have occurred for me so far.

The first time I vaped DMT (sandwich in a little chillum) I didn't know what I was in for, so the effects were kind of a jolt.

Then I learned what to expect and had some very successful bong & sandwich sessions.

Then I grabbed a classic VG. I got a few one-hit-wonder powerful experiences. Still no ego death or what have you, but "getting there."

I began experimenting with various levels of heat and more/less powerful drawing on the pipe. I was going with the "flavorless" low heat method, but it didn't seem to be doing the trick. (Since then, a friend had glowing crystals racing up and down his arms, so I know my little copper ribbon pad is doing its job).

The other night, I was taking a small dose in one hit and I think I actually burned the spice a little?!? Wow- it hit harder than I expected, even though I thought "oh shit" and subsequently coughed, as I was surprised.

So now I'm not too sure about my technique. I'm taking a break for a few days too. It will be interesting to see how things work when I come back to the spice.


The thing we noticed- hitting the VG (or any dmt delivery method really) does take a certain amount of willpower. Holding the hit takes willpower. Going back for a second hit when your body is very heavy feeling...willpower.

I seem to lack it in some facets of life, and it appears to manifest itself here.


On a side note, I got to thinking about willpower. It seems that in western christian-influenced society, "willpower" means not doing something as opposed to doing something. The word is wrapped up in avoidance- abstinence, avoiding intoxicating substances, adultery, etc. The power of one's will, in my opinion, should be used to describe accomplishment. Without willpower, a person sits on the couch instead of maintaining the garden, or a person sits at the base of the mountain instead of climbing. Strange.



Regards,

Slotherson
 
Something interesting along these lines, the newest part of the brain, the prefrontal cortex, appears to primarily play an inhibitory role in thought and behavior.

In the case of the DMT pipe, the instinct is to run far, far away and the willpower is suppressing that urge.

Edit: as Gibran2 is fond of pointing out, with a Vapor Genie, there should be no need for a second hit.
 
Hmm. I need to read up about the prefrontal cortex.

It's really interesting that you mentioned the instinct to run far, far, away. My roommate said "the fight-or-flight instinct kicks in immediately."

Of course, in dealing with such things, we know that neither fight nor flight are acceptable. This instinct must be subdued- calmly, not brutally.

I was very close to a one-hit VG experience...have not been able to replicate it since. I believe my technique needs improvement, primarily, amount of heat.
 
I'm glad it got you thinking. You might want to consider it one of many teachings to come.

The other night, I was taking a small dose in one hit and I think I actually burned the spice a little?!? Wow- it hit harder than I expected, even though I thought "oh shit" and subsequently coughed, as I was surprised.
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..or you just reached the right vaporization temperature. Dense Vapor can make you cough. DMT vapor is by no means - hot air.

If you burn a huge amount, your lungs will definatly know.
 
Thank you neighbor! I'm treading carefully. My first experience, with the little chillum, involved some burned spice. It made me cough with such force that a pain arose in the base of my skull, which lasted through the first few minutes of the experience. As such, 1) I'm "afraid" of burned dmt and 2) to me, burning it has become some sort of desecration of the sacrament. Hence, I have likely been operating at too low a temperature. When I resume experimentation, I will take a 4-5 second "primer" followed by a big hit while applying a good amount of heat, regulating it to keep the vapor from becoming excessively harsh.

**I should note- I did blow out a very small amount of smoke in that experience you quoted, Obliguhl.**

I'd also like to mention just how stimulating this experience has been so far, without even having OEV in all but a couple sessions. So much introspection in so short a time really sticks with a person throughout the following day(s). In 3 weeks, I have lost 4-5 pounds (currently 6' 221) which I attribute partially to "I'd rather try dmt tonight without a big wad of heavy food in my stomach" but also to "dmt tells me 'don't be a glutton.'" It is also reenforcing the fact that I must quit smoking cigarettes. That lesson is going to be tough to implement, but both lessons revolve around the same core concept.
 
Not necessarily on topic, but swim has a little experience with near breakthroughs on smoked and vaporized DMT. Smoking in swims opinion is an inferior method in any case and vaporizing is the way to go, smoking will still work quite well but its far too easy to burn. Not to mention doses are smaller when nothing is lost. Also, swim has recently purchased a Purple Days vaporizer clone the Woodeez vape. Check them out if you are interested in a very easy and simple way to vaporize changa.

what swim does is freebase his fumarates from a dlimo stb with caoh. He them drys the paste without heat and proceeds to pull with anhydrous isopropyl. Decant. Next, swim evaporates the iso in a pyrex pie dish and scrapes up, dumps an appropriate amount of finely ground cannabis then manually homogenizes. Its an oil, but vapes well. After fully mixed the DMT changa is complete and can be vaporized as is or with the addition of FB harmalas changa.

FB harmala changa is as simple as manske rue seeds, redissolve hcls in water, FB with ammonia, or sodium carbonate. Decant, let dry, wash 1x with Ammonia and 2x with slightly basic water. Done.

Take your FB harmalas and mix them with some finely ground cannabis and the xtals will stick to the trichromes. FB harmala changa before and with the dmt changa extends the experience and allows one to breakthrough easier in swims opinion. Thats what happened to swim; very difficult and chaotic, dysphoric with smoked DMT. Add syrian rue caps, better but much nausea & almost too long of an experience for swim. Vaporized DMT got swim close to a breakthrough but not quite there. Finally ended up vaporizing some harmine FB on cannabis just to try w/o the DMT changa and got strong and very nice effects.

swim then worked up the balls to try increasingly larger amounts of harmala changa and dmt changa in differing ratios and has never been closer to a breakthrough. Swim says it makes it much easier to vape the dmt in swims opinion because you have more time to get it in before you peak. Been working with MHRB, caapi, and harmalas from S. Rue for a year now, and aya was intense in a good way. But i feel the need to have a pinnacle experience, a breakthrough and have decided that before this batch of changas is done i plan to have just that.
 
Hello and welcome to the Nexus...I too went through a good deal of changing when I started down the DMT rabbit hole...There is always room for improvement in one's life and DMT seemed to show me where improvement was needed...I quit smoking ciggies and quit drinking,..I no longer partake of any narcotics and am working on a much better diet...
Good Luck and Happy Travels
Aetherbound
 
Welcome to the Nexus, resonanting_sloth!!:)


The fear, and flight/fright response, I think, is incredibly useful as we sometimes superficially feel ready to plunge ourselves deep into the experience, but a slight pause (brought on by the existential fear of annihilation) can sometimes show us that the mind-set is not best placed for such ventures.

Think of it this way-you are found guilty of some heinous crime, your hands are tied behind your back as you are led to the gallows.Your jailers have no mercy and deep down, you know that crying and begging for mercy is not going to change a thing.You straighten your back, empty the mind and ascend those steps and wait for the inevitable, for beyond the next few moments you will receive something that is beyond the imaginations powers.Full surrender is the key.

There also seems to be degrees of breaking through with even the 'lesser' degress being extreme.But in a bizarre kind of way, if you have a breakthrough thats at the limit your nervous system can handle, subsequent less 'out there' breakthroughs seem to give an innate feeling of rest (if thats an appropriate term) as you know that your sanity has fallen perfectly back into place from being deeper than the present trip.

Good vaporisation is key to getting the most out of non-oral DMT; once you have your technique right you can investigate the effects achieved by single or multiple inhalations, with the single-hit approach testing your nervous system and mental fortitude much more than multiple hits.
 
Very interesting thoughts, everyone! Thanks for sharing them.

I've been integrating my ... 3 weeks or so of daily dmt vaporization. I didn't realize I had much to integrate until I stepped back for a bit. I can feel subtle lessons settling into place from the rather chaotic solution of my psyche.

I'm also relieved that my "research/experimentation" period is completed. Multiple doses per night for 20 days is seriously no easy task! I feel it was greatly beneficial in building my relationship with this substance, however. I am now "generally" familiar with its effects and I'm grasping some of the finer points of administration. Perhaps most importantly, I have learned of its relative safety, both mental and physical. Repeated exposure as my very own lab rat, of sorts, has been a valuable and more-or-less pleasant experience.

As such, I am beginning to feel much more comfortable about dmt use. I look forward to experiences that do not involve conduction lots of analysis during the experience and dictating notes once I'm able to verbally communicate. Perhaps when I return to dmt I can explore its (profound and subtle) psychedelic and medicinal effects without so much pseudo-scientific pressure.

I should note that I feel my 20 day period of study was necessary in my case. I would not recommend such things to everyone. It was a long and somewhat difficult trail, and now I've merely arrived at the base camp, not even in view of the summit!

I am not sure when I will once again delve into vaporized dmt. Likely very soon, within 10 days. The results of my next extraction will enable me to make some caapi leaf changa and do a bit of experimenting with oral dmt and rue extract. In addition to these experiments, I am preparing caapi and mimosa teas to imbibe in the holiest of temples- wilderness. (Remote enough that I will see very scant evidence of humans for 3 days).

I am mentally preparing myself for the preliminary tests of the teas, as well as taking the medicine in nature. Slowly, I am sorting out my fears and collecting my thoughts and intentions. This is a new realm for me- never has a substance "scared" me in the slightest way. I'm in awe of these powers, and I feel this is healthy. In ways, it is much closer to my "real life" than other substances- the course of life can be quite imposing and frightening.

Such interesting subject matter!!!

~Slothus
 
ragabr said:
Edit: as Gibran2 is fond of pointing out, with a Vapor Genie, there should be no need for a second hit.
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We all have lungs of VERY different capacity so I don't believe that to be true. I have very small lungs and I need a second toke for sure.
 
DMTripper said:
We all have lungs of VERY different capacity so I don't believe that to be true. I have very small lungs and I need a second toke for sure.
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Tragically, I'm 6 feet tall and should have good lung capacity, but I have a practically suicidal smoking problem. That makes things tougher for me. DMT is reinforcing the fact that I need to quit...I listened...but haven't quit. Yet. I can only imagine my lung capacity and ability to hold a hit will rise quite a bit after I quit inhaling carcinogenic fumes like a madman. I know that in my case, quitting smoking is a psychologically explosive thing. The last time I did so, binge drinking and other stupid behaviors became compulsive when my body no longer had it's drug fix. I am building courage, however. Inhaling psychedelics is not my motivation to quit- my health is. Potentially better DMT experiences would be a small added benefit.
 
An update:

I've modified my technique a bit.

1) More heat. Enough that I can feel the vapor in the back of my throat, kind of like 1/100 of the feeling of a oil burner hit.

2) Smaller hit. Instead of filling my lungs to 100%, I go about 75%. This is MUCH more comfortable and allows a hit to be held for 30 seconds without feeling like I've been underwater too long when it's exhaled.

Two hits from this method had my ears ringing a bit. There was about 70mg in the VG. I didn't finish it. I think I could have gone really deep had I taken a third hit, but I was content with the level I attained.

The new technique gives a much more peaceful experience, because I don't come into dmt space gasping for air. I'm starting to "get it."
 
Yet another update- findings recorded in the name of pseudo-science. Hopefully this stuff isn't too terribly redundant. I think it's a somewhat interesting record.

It is plainly obvious how much of a part set and setting play in my dmt experiences.

Last night saw 50mg loaded into the VG. I felt good about the experience before beginning.

Part of the way through the first hit, however, I could tell that this would be a "misfire." Sure enough, I held the hit for quite some time, exhaled, took another, and lost my willpower. Out went the second hit after 7-10 seconds. The body load felt heavier than usual. Surprisingly, I felt profound sub-breakthrough mental effects without visuals of any sort.

My mind entered a more chaotic state than I would say I reach in much more visual experiences. I also had some *very* purge-like coughs during the peak, likely due to my abused smoker-lungs. The coughs occurred in sync with unpleasant thoughts, similar to how I've heard ayahuasca purges can occur. In retrospect, the rhythm of these thoughts and coughs was...amazing? It was VERY rhythmic. Strangely, despite clear breathing and no seasonal allergies at the moment, the amount of phlegm brought up was so significant that I can really see how some people believe such things are "foul humors" or what have you. At the end, I was shaken, and experienced what I believe to be latent sorrow, regret, pain, and other such unpleasant things. A half hour later, after talking to my roommate, I finally began to bask in the after-glow. The trauma faded away.

Conclusion? Mindset was not "up to snuff" and therefore strongly effected the experience. Not only did it "force" me to take an ineffective second hit, but it seems to have influenced the dmt effects as well.

I now see that I will have to face what is, in all honestly, very ridiculous and unfounded trauma within my being. I do not know the exact cause or substance of these feelings. I know they have a tone of regret and loneliness, but the latest experience was so chaotic that I cannot clearly remember anything except the amazing rhythm and flow of thoughts and coughing. I must be more blocked up and self-repressed than I realize. More work will be done to unearth these demons.


Edit: On the way home from work today, I found a torch lighter. An insane one called the "USA TIGER." It's waaaay too big and hot for the VG, but demonstrates the beautiful potential of a good hot lighter. I put 30mg recrystallized spice in the ol' VG about 15 minutes ago and took one hit. That's enough for just getting home from work. Strangely enough, no demons and actual euphoria?!? Maybe the combo of learning/writing/thinking is helping. Maybe efficient vaporizing helps.

Oh, the absurdity of it all. The insane monster lighter made me ponder that wonderful concept, in the context of that lighter, and in Camus' way as a tangent. Great fun, lots of laughter. Ahhhh :) (The lighter will soon be relegated to fire-starting, not using with the VG)
 
Yet another update :)

Last weekend saw me heading out to a cabin on a lake that we frequent. I brought some yellow crystalline extract.

Glowing report from roommate/assistant:

To sum it up in a cosmic nutshell, I grabbed him from the house after vaping some DMT myself. The wind was picking up and the temperature was freakin' sweet! I said "Come now. No waiting" and he obliged. He sat down in the reclining folding chair and proceeded to burn the top of my VG with the insane torch lighter. The Forest Spirits materialized from the darkness, swirled around him, whispered in his ears, and gave him advice! He said they were "spooky" but good and in no way malicious. There was a road through the spirits' vortex, and at the end of the road, shooting stars passing by. Wow!!! Every time I see him (we keep different schedules) he profusely thanks me. I say "don't thank me, thank the spirits." Extracting DMT is child's play really...no biggie!

My experiences:

1) Just before sharing with my roommate, I had a wonderful CEV experience and INTENSE euphoria.
2) The following day, I vaped a bit around 1600. On the 3rd hit, I burned a tiny bit of spice, coughed, and sort of vomited. It was a tiny little glowing yellow projectile, about 2-3 shot glasses worth. It shot out of me like a cannon. So weird! (I think I've been reading so much about the aya purge that it's sneaking into my DMT experiences). The trees, as in all my other experiences this weekend, were the most incredible 3d lace lattice.
3) Later that day, listening to a G.D. radio show, I envisioned the most beautiful thing. In a very still dark orange oil grew long, extremely thin, delicate black crystals grew. The structure, similar to a little baby's mobile, slowly spun around. At the terminus of the crystals, where the substance formed, the slightest disturbance made them disintegrate. Oh yeah, I puked. Ha!
3.1) Immediately after, I took the chair down to the dock. All set up, ahh, how nice! Problem with that sort of chair is you can't really get out quickly, even sober. I burned a bit of spice and puked A LOT...right on the dock. A tiny bit splashed on my leg, which felt covered in the nasty stuff. I couldn't just relax and enjoy, so I went up to the house to figure out how to get clean. I figured out the hose with the help (and mocking) of a little frog. Laughed the entire time.
4) Once more into the breach, I loaded up the VG and smoked. This tune came on the radio:
(we have one of the coolest non-commercial radio stations in the world in my town...seriously. It's that cool.) What an amazing experience! Once more, very similar to mushroom euphoria and mental imagery. The horns in that song...WOW. No puking this time...I was starting to be "puke guy" to the others.


I think I'm getting it. I also see the value of good clean spice!!! I'll be recrystallizing the next batches. Some day I'll "break through." Some day... :)
 
Quick update:

"Mission Accomplished" banner hanging on my spaceship! :)

I will write a very interesting experience report shortly.
 
Great thread and congrats on the success! In my own research a modified test-tube device called "the machine" (source of design:The Machine - DMT-Nexus Wiki) worked exceptionally well. Convection heat to evenly vape the material seems to produce the proper consistency of vapor. It's a simple build that I copied easily from the source I posted there. I hope my sourcing that is not against forum rules?
 
I sort of regret not trying a machine early on. However, I've found enhanced leaf in a little bong to be...stellar! VG taste can't be beat, but the incredible power and ease of use that comes with enhanced leaf and a bong are huge advantages to that system. It's practically impossible to get it wrong.
 
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