What Do You Boil Existence Down To?

[DisEmboDied]

It seems as though we are all here to learn as much as we possibly can, and that there is something that we must “get”, that there is this one sentence, one formula, one realization that we are here to “get”. That when we see dead people in their coffins, we, or at least I, subconsciously am sad that some of those, who have died young or who have not tried hard enough, didn’t “get it” before they died. Some do try harder than others to obtain this, scientists, psychonauts, PhDs of various sort, shamans, etc, etc.

All ambitious people seem to be striving for that one idea, sentence, or formula, such as Einstein and his dream of the theory of everything.

Psychedelics, or DMT in particular, seem to catapult one even further, even closer, to that one understanding that is always just out of reach. I assume that this one understanding that one must “get” is different for each and every person. I would like to think that that formula is only one, is ultimate and universal, but I cannot be naïve enough to believe in a single solution to all can be found in one spot.

I would just like to suggest what I have found so far to be my ultimate understanding that I must get before I die. Since I am only 35, I may still have a long way to go, but anyone or any living creature can die at any time as soon as it is born, so I try to figure it out now and not wait until it is too late.

For me it is this:

All is connected, (a seemingly obvious given, though not always necessarily so)

Divinity is in every particle

Eternity is in every moment

So I guess the formula would be:

Divinity in every particle-Eternity in every moment-All of which is interconnected


These are the boiled down lessons I have learned from DMT and the psychedelic experience.
This could easily be a repeat which has been re-discovered millions of times over a hundred-thousand years, but for now it is new to me.

Anyone have any suggestions for me to strengthen and/or simplify this formula?
I can further explain each part of the formula if necessary, at least to an extent, up to the ineffable unfortunately as far as explaining goes.

Maybe there is nothing to get. Maybe it is what it is, I am what I am, and I am just being a romantic and a poet, but there just seems to be more to that that is always out of reach.


Please share what you have “boiled down” all of existence to!...

 

[thymamai]

care to explain? at least up to the ineffable, at your pleasure.

why is there divinity in every particle, eternity in every moment, and how is it all connected?

 

[anrchy]

So this is actually something I have thought about quite a bit, sometimes on a day to day basis. I have a detailed idea and a basic simplified version. For now I will detail my simplified version.

I boil existence down to experience. I believe that it is all about experience of every kind (possibly more than that too but...). This leads me to believe that there are no bad scenarios or good scenarios. Just scenarios. So as such everything that is, has, and will happen... HAS to happen. All that we view as good and bad HAS to happen.

 

[universecannon]

I never feel comfortable boiling existence down to a single word, sentence, or formula. 'Existence' just 'is' what it 'is'... and any mental concept is just one of many arbitrary labels in our heads that don't even begin to accurately approximate any part of it, much less encapsulate the whole thing into a single line. It can be a fun exercise though and things can resonate on various levels to your experience.

 

[DreaMTripper]

About 400ml!

 

[Ringworm]

you beat me to it DreamTripper
I was gonna say "a resin"

 

[The Unknowing]

I've come to the same conclusions.
It's about experience and that's it. Enjoy yourself Create, explore, play. It's your dream.

 

[Jees]

I was fond and full of certain kind of experiences once, but things changed and I won't settle for them anymore. A repeated experience in a dull way is still an experience. There has to be a widening effect to it, a feeling of reborn. Not only for doing-your-time more animated, but the bodily health seems to react confirmatory also. The breath of challenge looks like a nutrient. So, just experience is not enough, there has to be something extra to it to make "existence" shifting in a better gear. Don't forget to lube.

 

[Global]

I was all on board to equate existence with experience, and for biological life of any kind, it very well may be, but that would be to discount an entire category of things that so far as we can tell outnumbers biological life anyway, and that is the inanimate. It's easy to try and imagine how animals might experience life, or with an open mind, one can even start to imagine what existence may be like for plants, but what does the ground 100 feet under my house experience? What does my window pane experience?

Salvia distorts these whole matters even further, as I along with others, have momentarily taken on the existence of inanimate objects. I had become the couch once, and I thought to myself, "well this is a pretty terrible existence...I'm just a couch...no one to talk to...nothing to do...people just sit on me...I'm just a couch ----- but then again, even though I was having the supposed "experience" of a couch, I was still a human with a human brain (on Salvia) interpreting a bizarre human experience, so these are very murky waters.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

I understand what you are seeing. Death itself really is the great return into unknown spaces, I feel. Even if your life is not explored, discovered or understood. The real experience, in my opinion, is preparing yourself for the sequence of physical death. Many ancient communities valued this 'preparation for death' and had very meaningful lives. That concept doesn't exist within the domain of conventional culture. It is truly a mystery. Yet, it can be paradoxically realized. Also, I don't think 'trying' is always the way to understanding life differently. You can accomplish a lot with that idea but its not always necessary. Balance is necessary. These strives we all make are somehow co-collectively embracing and reflecting off of everyone/everything, like energy circuits, opening the realms to inspiration, ideas and reflection.

The life I witness is here and now. I feel this is one way of being where you want. By being present without the attachment to any observation. Life can be naturally spontaneous with this. There are many glorious ways.

Existence is already existing, in this present moment, so why try boil anything? Realization is not always seeking.

The real question is not whether life exists after death. The real question is whether you are alive before death. - Osho

Don't go back.
Don't go forward.
What I am pointing to is not found in any direction.
It is right Here.
The place where it shows itself is in the Heart of the devotee.
~ Mooji

:thumb_up:

 

[Orion]

I don't know and nobody does, the end.

Die, thread!

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Salvia distorts these whole matters even further, as I along with others, have momentarily taken on the existence of inanimate objects. I had become the couch once, and I thought to myself, "well this is a pretty terrible existence...I'm just a couch...no one to talk to...nothing to do...people just sit on me...I'm just a couch ----- but then again, even though I was having the supposed "experience" of a couch, I was still a human with a human brain (on Salvia) interpreting a bizarre human experience, so these are very murky waters.

Ha ha, enjoyed this.

 

[universecannon]

It's funny how almost everyone experienced with salvia seems to agree that it makes the idea of inanimate objects having consciousness feel much more plausible :d

I've had other experiences on it of becoming inanimate things or trees but actually some of the most pleasant experiences I've had with it have been at night, just lying on the grass with my eyes closed. There I had experiences where the ground and houses and trees around me became like parts of my body.

Anyways, sorry for derailing the thread! I'll stop there.

 

[DisEmboDied]

For thymamai, here is a brief description of what I mean by each:

Interconnectedness, the most obvious, happens during almost all psychedelic trips, but is still a great lesson or reminder. One feels that he or she is not only one with the universe, but that him or her and the universe are exactly one and the same thing, that there is no subject or object, that all is simply part of one exact process.


The Divine in Every item, every particle, since all are interconnected and are a part of the picture, then a piece of sunlight shining through a window shade on a wall, a leaf, a blade of grass, a door hinge, a wooden floor plank, the meeting point of the corner of a room, a strand of hair, etc., all contain the divine eternal—all of existence, and represent all of existence by that one single piece or particle. I once experienced, first the suffering of all of my family, by staring at, and being in the presence of a few inches wide and tall piece of sunlight shining on a white wall. As I went further I experienced the suffering of the whole world, of all humanity all at once. I also experience the whole of nature and the cosmos through a single blade of grass. Divinity, as in the essence of natural creation, was and can be experienced by one single item, because it is not an item in itself or by itself, but does not or cannot exist without the whole universe, it is not an item, but a process, one which represents that something can exist, and that since it does exist, then so does the rest of the universe in which it exist. Divine, shining, blinding revelation can be shown to the enlightened ones which have opened their heads. This makes life so much more wonderful, partaking in the awe of children.


Eternity in every moment, all is happening at once. When only the present state, which is the only true state, is immersed, then all of existence becomes eternally present, all of eternity happens from moment to moment. The future only exists in thought, the past has vanished and often only exists in tattered, fallacious memories, so the present ‘Now’ is the only real time. Every time I entered into this state, I became fully aware that eternity is in every moment, from moment to moment. This is truth. One cannot truly live if one never achieves the ability to be consistently aware of the present state. Eternity can be found in every moment.

 

[DisEmboDied]

Even though subjectively it is all only experience, stuff probably does happen without an experiencer. As Alan Watts said a tree would not make a sound in the woods without an ear to hear it, but the tree would still fall. I know, I know what about the Matrix and stuff?, but besides that, I and many others seem to be being taught lesson about the nature of reality or existence during DMT encounters. Maybe I am just extrapolating what I want from it, but I guess simply there can be no experience without something somewhere to experience...

 

[DisEmboDied]

For Cognitive Heart and universecannon, I have had the experience of inanimate objects being alive with DMT plenty of times while in nature. The rocks had faces and told me that they were just as aware of me as I was of them, they communicated this to me strongly. Once each leaf on a bunch of trees in my yard had a face, an awareness of a sort and were telepathically communicating to me that they once again were as aware of me as I was of them. Me talking and communicating to rocks and trees, would sound fricking crazy to someone else I suppose.


Recently learned that this phenomena is called animism. Pantheism is another vein.

 

[DisEmboDied]

For cognitive heart, nothing makes me feel better than to visit a graveyard (when not visiting anyone in particular). Then you hear how silent it is and leave that place feeling so invigorated by still being alive.

I once thought that the ultimate DMT trip would be to buy your tombstone and burial plot ahead of time, like now, and do a high dose sitting or laying on your future burial spot. That would be the most radical ever.

 

[Doodazzle]

It's all dynamic. Chaotic even. Order is one form of chaos--form emerges from void, breaks down to stochasticism, disappears utterly, then again takes form--for no apparent reason other than the sheer joy of it's "existence". Stasis is just a pause between changes--static phenomena are like the silences within music, not the notes themselves, the pause....inanimate things are in on it too, of course. All are conscious and ever-changing. proccess (not existence....)happens at different speeds, so it seems.

Chaos, creativity, dynamic forms, ever-change.

Wait a minute...we speak of "existence". And use words like be, are, is....but all that we see transforms and nothing "is", not for certain anyway. Korzybsky's semantics via RAW, there...but it seems to agree with my feeling that it "is" all about chaos, or dynamic process. So when someone sais "I AM" a part of my wonders. As a youth, I would prickishly be all like "no you aint". These days I'm less sure on the matter.

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Getting more religious about the question: Every man and every woman is a star. We manifest upon this real to experience the brief rapture and riot of incarnate life. It's supposed to be a big party down here. Oh, what wealth has come here to dwell in such poverty.


In gnostic thought, the entity who said "I AM THAT I AM" was of course the Demi-Urge, the false god. And no, no he really aint. Ego. Fear of change. Perversion of thought. Some call him God...they love to start wars and are terrified of chaos!

Really, I doubt any of us has mastered this one world, in this one limited dimension....maybe somewhere a higher iteration of me can have a laugh at this ant speculating about the cosmos. Cosmos means "order"...which is of course a state of chaos. Chaos is like the clouds, moving and changing. Understand the universe by making your mind like the clouds--why do you think divination always involves something like that? Like cloud watching, tea leave reading, shuffling the cards....

And it's probably all one entity, that manifested in a million different forms, most of which forget their ultimate unity...

As a creative and dynamic entity myself, I don't bother boiling it down too far, and just go with the working hypothesis that it's probably all about dynamic forms, chaotic systems, gnosis/awareness and all of that. Might not be an an ultimate truth, but it suits my life and fuels my creativity.

Sorry if my thoughts seem a little scrambled right now.

 

[OTCJ]

When talking about boiling anything that exists down, the pervasive reality of existential relatively must be brought up. Everything, (or rather every "thing"), is only meaningful relative to other aspects of reality, constrained of course by the scale of size and time each given "thing" exists on.

Atoms are particles relative to us, we are particles relative to stars, stars are particles relative to galaxies etc. etc. As far as we keep discovering the hierarchy expands further and further in both direction of size and time to horizons of meaninglessness from our vantage point, (i.e. quarks and galactic super clusters make basically zero sense beyond intellectual abstraction in the context of human life). In my opinion it seems foolish to conclude that it doesn't expand further than we currently know, and further than we likely can know at least for a very, very long time in the direction of large and small, and perhaps in directions we cannot even perceive.

So what does existence boil down to?

For any individual living thing it boils down to a giant mystery within which that living thing is embedded and must somehow interpret some semblance of meaning from. We don't know what the universe is, and thus it would be wild speculation on my part to try and boil it down, but what can be said for sure is that there is a lot more that exists than we know, and the deeper we look the more we realize how very little we can understand with such glaringly fundamental gaps in our understanding, and our capacity to perceive phenomenon only as they relate to physical reality.

Fortunately through psychedelics, the unquantifiable can be glimpsed by we mere finite particles and appreciated, if not truly understood relative to the frame of reference we call the human condition.

 

[Ryusaki]

Sex.

Every act is an sexual act.