what is DMT fear like?

[Al-Wasi]

I was very reluctant to use DMT due to a series of very bad LSD trips years prior. I however told myself I would have this experience and prepared to do so.

After two experiences now I was surprised to find that DMT doesn't effect the mind in the way other hallucinogens do. Generally LSD trips always have a feeling of paranoia or insanity attached to them where I feel the trip is purposely screwing with my mind trying to make me go insane. I didn't feel anything like this with DMT my mind felt exactly the same as it did prior to smoking it.

Noe that I've read plenty of reports where people said they were terrified I'm wondering exactly how this feels.

As now these reports have me reluctant to blast off again

 

[Sabnock]

For me personally, i have been terrified, scared, filled with anxiety and overall just felt like i was dying. This was all on oral DMT in Ayahuasca/Pharmahuasca. But once you've learned how to navigate the space, do things that guide the experience (like music) or use plants that seem to soothe that shit like the Lemon Balm (which significantly reduces the chances of a difficult or bad experience, ime), the feelings of terror or being scared or having anxiety seem to be better handled and shrugged off sotospeak.

 

[Al-Wasi]

Thanks for the input I've had the same experience on highndoese of dxm where I thought I was literly dying and had a near death experience.

I'm specifically talking about smoked DMT though and feelings of fear. I've heard many say there isn't time to be afraid but others clearly feel terrified with the stuff.

So far for me its been nothing but enjoyable even though it's far more intense then LSD it doesn't have that mind fuck to it.

 

[Pandora]

No denying that for me at least 98% of my DMT trips have been overwhelmingly gorgeous and positive.

But, on a goodly number of the higher dose experiences, I was utterly convinced I was dead (even if the very last thing I remembered was vaping high dose DMT . . . this canNOT be a trip . . . something must have gone wrong . . . ).

So, just speaking personally, it was less the rough rides and more the constant ego deaths that put the fear into me as far as I can tell.

Even though I trust the drug, I trust myself, I can fully let go/surrender, I can and will fully accept and embrace WHATEVER comes . . . . still . . . .personally it is like putting a pistol (well cleaned/oiled/maintained) to my head with most of the chambers loaded and pulling the trigger . . . like a reverse Russian Roulette, . . . but for me it is Ego Russian Roulette and that is where the fear arose/comes from.

I have a shake in my hand as I hold the DMT pipe and prepare for blastoff, . . . pretty much each and every time.

I don't anticipate that changing anytime soon even though my naked/raw/shaking/terror filled fear has backed off into a more quiet kind of acceptance.

Very difficult to describe, . . . very raw, . . . and for me very tied into fear of death issues.


DMT has taught me a lot about myself. For this I am very grateful indeed.

 

[SynKyd]

It's truly about set and setting.......I believe. Even in what I'd call my worst experience (scorched some changa and had a coughing fit) I was mentally and physically prepared for what I got and in spite of the mocking/taunting tone of the visuals I wasn't scared.

 

[Al-Wasi]

See that's what I'm talking about. You said the mocking taunting tone of the visuals. My last twenty LSD trips were like that. It was as if everything going on,the visuals,music I listened to.thoughts etc were all taunting me and screwing with my mind as if there was some evil thing behind it telling me, "I'm not a drug to have fun with and I will show you”. Ultimately from that point on I never enjoyed LSD again yet I continued taking it and eventually it got to a point where even though the trips had the same tone it didn't mess with me as Much.

With DMT on my second trip there was laughter present that I interpreted as ,this is what u wanted, but it wasn't mocking or evil ,just present.

I hope my DMT trips don't turn into that as the experience is so intense and I've only gotten a slight taste of it. I'm hoping I don't run into a fearful trip that puts me off of it as I'd really like to experience this breakthrough everyone describes.

Even my hardest trips on LSD or shrooms I never had ego death. Although dxm did induce s near death experience where j thought I had taken too much and was dead.

Thanks for input guys.

 

[SynKyd]

If you vape it properly and are healthy, not exhausted, and spend some time meditating before hand I believe to will avoid the taunting. Regardless, it doesn't last long even if it goes south, you should be able to work through it mentally and some can even turn it positive I've heard.

Namaste-

 

[d*l*b]

Different tools have different issues. I found many of LSD’s issues stemmed from the extended time you can be stuck in uncomfortable situations. Vaped DMT is much shorter in duration, if your mission ends up going sideways at least you won’t be there for 8 hours plus. This is great in theory, however time can become seriously skewed, you can spend a lifetime in there!

As for quantifying the bad things that can happen on a journey, I’m afraid I don’t feel I can allay your fears. I have feel that psychedelics work like a magnifying glass, albeit one that warps the view drastically. DMT pushes this far beyond LSD. DMT can make you feel amazing, it can show you deep beauty – conversely it can show you the polar opposite in ways that are utterly indescribable. LSD has mangled my mind many times but I have never been as far down the pit as with spice. Futhermore across hundreds of journeys with LSD I have never had to pick up the bits like I have had to with spice, I have had journeys that have resulted in me being severely off-kilter for several weeks after spice, yet never with LSD (there’s always next time though!).

It has been mentioned that set and setting are the road to comfortable journeys. They undoubtedly affect experience but you may be thrown curveballs. Dosage also plays a major part in journeys but, again, you may be thrown curveballs. I have said it many times in threads, but I will say it again. DMT is a dice rolling game. Throw the dice and get what you get. If you cannot deal with the very depths of emotion, or the possibilities your mind may throw at you you probably shouldn’t be working with it.

Sorry I can’t be more positive in my perspective. I will add a counter point that DMT is utterly random so you may manage to work with it and never see the darker side of things. Likewise, experiences are personal so maybe those with a brighter outlook on life than myself may find different.

 

[Bancopuma]

My DMT breakthrough was the most terrifying experience of my life to be honest. I literally thought I had killed myself, the break from "reality" was so extreme and so sudden and there was a very tangible and audible crack/shattering in my brain. My logical side could only think "YOU'VE DONE IT THIS TIME!!" and that I had managed to somehow kill myself (I had no knowledge at this point that any DMT or drug of any kind had been ingested). A few seconds later I experienced a different form of acute terror, in that I felt like I was being abducted by an alien consciousness (the trip hadn't really started at this point, it's below of you wanna know more).

Breakthrough...profoundly weird and weirdly profound - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I have never felt true terror in my waking life, and despite the ordeal at the time, I'm grateful for the experience. Strangely wholesome I think to experience the full gamut of human emotions. A life without without a little life affirming terror may be be lacking in some degree...fear means you are being challenged or confronted in some way, better to experience this than shrink wrapped in cotton wool solely on a pleasure trip, this experience, despite the terror, was I think one of the most positive, amazing, magical and life affirming experiences of my life. So fear doesn't have to be a bad thing; on the contrary, in some respects it can validate the experience. Plus with DMT you're back in a few minutes, a very different case of affairs to an LSD trip that has turned sour.

 

[Al-Wasi]

Different tools have different issues. I found many of LSD’s issues stemmed from the extended time you can be stuck in uncomfortable situations. Vaped DMT is much shorter in duration, if your mission ends up going sideways at least you won’t be there for 8 hours plus. This is great in theory, however time can become seriously skewed, you can spend a lifetime in there!

As for quantifying the bad things that can happen on a journey, I’m afraid I don’t feel I can allay your fears. I have feel that psychedelics work like a magnifying glass, albeit one that warps the view drastically. DMT pushes this far beyond LSD. DMT can make you feel amazing, it can show you deep beauty – conversely it can show you the polar opposite in ways that are utterly indescribable. LSD has mangled my mind many times but I have never been as far down the pit as with spice. Futhermore across hundreds of journeys with LSD I have never had to pick up the bits like I have had to with spice, I have had journeys that have resulted in me being severely off-kilter for several weeks after spice, yet never with LSD (there’s always next time though!).

It has been mentioned that set and setting are the road to comfortable journeys. They undoubtedly affect experience but you may be thrown curveballs. Dosage also plays a major part in journeys but, again, you may be thrown curveballs. I have said it many times in threads, but I will say it again. DMT is a dice rolling game. Throw the dice and get what you get. If you cannot deal with the very depths of emotion, or the possibilities your mind may throw at you you probably shouldn’t be working with it.

Sorry I can’t be more positive in my perspective. I will add a counter point that DMT is utterly random so you may manage to work with it and never see the darker side of things. Likewise, experiences are personal so maybe those with a brighter outlook on life than myself may find different.

Ive had many bad LSD trips where I thought ,"this is it, I've done it this time, I'm never coming back". McKenna calls it something I forget exactly what but its something all psychedelic users deal with if they use them enough.

I see a common theme though with DMT and fearful trips. Seems most people think they've killed themselves or that there dead. I know when I thought I killed.myself with dxm I remembered taking it though.

I wish I knew what you meant by being affected for weeks after DMT trip and how much farther it can take you then LSD. I can imagine just off the trips I've had with DMT compared to.my most intense LSD trips. But I know I have no idea in reality.

I guess time.will tell as I've just begun working with this molecule and think I'll be missing a great experience in life if I stop now.

 

[۩]

Different people fear different things and in different phases. What matters is learning to overcome its many masks.

 

[spiffystump]

visuals,music I listened to.thoughts etc were all taunting me and screwing with my mind as if there was some evil thing behind it telling me, "I'm not a drug to have fun with and I will show you”.

Thats wild the first time I did LSD, it was cause I wanted to have fun and it changed my life for the better it was one of the best days of my life.

Are you sure what your taking is LSD and not something else, Do your doses or liquid have a taste?

 

[un-known-ome]

visuals,music I listened to.thoughts etc were all taunting me and screwing with my mind as if there was some evil thing behind it telling me, "I'm not a drug to have fun with and I will show you”.

Thats wild the first time I did LSD, it was cause I wanted to have fun and it changed my life for the better it was one of the best days of my life.

Are you sure what your taking is LSD and not something else, Do your doses or liquid have a taste?

I was just thinking, that if a layperson read this stuff about ascribing character traits to LSD, they would think you were loony. But they have no idea do they...haha.

Anyway, this is something that I've always wondered: where oral DMT is concerned, is it possible to have an almost purely positive trip, like with mescaline? I've wondered that.

Also, regarding the fear-of-death thing: I've come to realize that instead of an ego-issue, it's actually a completely healthy fear. This is not to put down the psychedelic experience and those who have learned to harness it, but rather to say that as a young man, I'm not ready to move on, and my mind/body really wants to fight that feeling, as it should. As in, it's okay, and it's not a personality malfunction. I suppose that when I grow older, that will change as part of the natural process of aging.

 

[HumbleTraveler]

Bancopuma I had an almost identical experience. I got too carried away with my GVG one day and took 20mg in one heavy breath, as opposed to 12-14mg over 2-3 breaths. The intensity blindsided me like I got hit by an asteroid. Prior to DMT I have no other hallucinogen/drug/alcohol experience at all, so this was absolutely terrifying. I too recall saying "OH MAN I DID IT THIS TIME, IM DEAD" My vision was very slowed and jumpy with no linearity, like a slow motion 8mm film on fast forward...if that makes sense haha. It was very difficult trying to get a grip.

Everything glitched, turned into minecraft and I felt like Id passed a line that had no progression and no way back either. I felt stuck. Watching reality youve known for 25+ years be replaced by what I experienced was just ridiculous. The power is truly very humbling to say the least.

Definitely head in understanding that all drugs have no care of your emotional state, you need to accept what happens in a trip, and definitely meditate beforehand with the right intentions. And I learned to never think youve come to understand the power of these substances.

 

[luminance]

The second time I ever took DMT was a rough experience. I just wasn't prepared for the intensity that hit me unlike the first time. I fought it and tried to stay on tangible side of the experience. I thought I was knocking things over and struggling to sit up straight but my girlfriend said I was just laying back with my eyes closed. Ever since then I've gone into an experience with the mindset that I'm going to accept whatever gift I receive and it helps making the more extreme instances tolerable mentally.

 

[VapeQ1]

My DMT breakthrough was the most terrifying experience of my life to be honest. I literally thought I had killed myself, the break from "reality" was so extreme and so sudden and there was a very tangible and audible crack/shattering in my brain. My logical side could only think "YOU'VE DONE IT THIS TIME!!" and that I had managed to somehow kill myself (I had no knowledge at this point that any DMT or drug of any kind had been ingested). A few seconds later I experienced a different form of acute terror, in that I felt like I was being abducted by an alien consciousness (the trip hadn't really started at this point, it's below of you wanna know more).

Breakthrough...profoundly weird and weirdly profound - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I have never felt true terror in my waking life, and despite the ordeal at the time, I'm grateful for the experience. Strangely wholesome I think to experience the full gamut of human emotions. A life without without a little life affirming terror may be be lacking in some degree...fear means you are being challenged or confronted in some way, better to experience this than shrink wrapped in cotton wool solely on a pleasure trip, this experience, despite the terror, was I think one of the most positive, amazing, magical and life affirming experiences of my life. So fear doesn't have to be a bad thing; on the contrary, in some respects it can validate the experience. Plus with DMT you're back in a few minutes, a very different case of affairs to an LSD trip that has turned sour.

Same happend t0 me.