SWIM tried a technique listed on shroomery.org (the one that skipped defatting) and had little success with smoking the end product. It was very harsh on the lungs and he thinks he used far to much lye. He is fond of the technique though for it's simplicity but next time he wants to make sure he gets a yield of highly active spice. What tek, in your opinion, is the best for extraction? Keep in mind, what is desired is the perfect balance of ease and effeciency. He would just like to hear your thoughts.
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What is the best DMT extraction tek in your opinion?
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straight to base is certainly the easiest. some people don't like using the excessive lye but that can easily be washed away leaving a clean product.
Marsfold's tek is easiest and cleanest for me, even if you count the acid extraction as an extra step. It ultimately takes barely more time than the lazy man's tek, and involves a lot less actual *work*. I prefer yanking the naptha off the top of the mixture with a turkey baster over the course of two minutes rather than pouring the naptha off the top of a stainless steel bowl full of junk over an hour, all the while slowly getting higher and higher on the fumes. If you like getting high on naptha fumes, I recommend lazy man's tek. If you like to do less work but wait an extra couple hours and are willing to put down the extra money on a crockpot, I recommend Marsfold's.
Of course, I'm fairly new to the world of chemical extraction, so there are probably better methods out there - but Marsfold has its advantages over the straight-to-base tek. Less lye is one of them, but there are many others.
Of course, I'm fairly new to the world of chemical extraction, so there are probably better methods out there - but Marsfold has its advantages over the straight-to-base tek. Less lye is one of them, but there are many others.
I use a variation of the Marsfold Tek. I subsitute H3PO4 (phosphoric acid) or HCL for vinegar. I also cook the mimosa bark in acidic solution for a lot longer and more times that Marsfold calls for. The A/B teks also allow for a defat for ultra clear crystals.
one can also obtain just as clear crystals using STB. however my friend of a friends friend uses some tricks to get to such a level of cleanlyness.
burnt said:
I don't doubt it one bit. For me though, a quick defat is quick, easy, and removes most oils. A recyrstalization after that gives me the most beautiful crystaline swords!
However, an A/B is not very suitable for those who have roomates and/or need a stealthly extraction. STB is a mix and put in the closet kind of extraction and quite suitable for stealthy operations. No smelly crockpot cooking needed.
They both can get the same product. It's just a matter of when you want to clean it up, at the beggining (in an A/B) or at the end (STB).
yea i agree totally. what method is most conveinent with the equipment and time you have is the best.
syntroniks
Rising Star
that's interesting, I just ran into an OLD friend, and we got to talking. He brought up he was extracting DMT!
Turns out he is going for an A/B with no defat on MHRB. I do STB with evap. Next time I might do evap + freeze. We shal compare yields :-D
Turns out he is going for an A/B with no defat on MHRB. I do STB with evap. Next time I might do evap + freeze. We shal compare yields :-D
matttheazn
Rising Star
would like to see comparison, plz post when available. thanks
SWIM has found that the best for mimosa is:
STB with the added quick and easy step of sodium carbonate wash, freeze precipitating and then recrystalization if desired, yielding very pure crystals and very nice yield
STB with the added quick and easy step of sodium carbonate wash, freeze precipitating and then recrystalization if desired, yielding very pure crystals and very nice yield
Depends.
STB if you don't want to take days and have a relatively small quantity of bark to process and A/B for large quantities where an extra few percent of yield would be a significant amount worth the extra time.
STB if you don't want to take days and have a relatively small quantity of bark to process and A/B for large quantities where an extra few percent of yield would be a significant amount worth the extra time.
quantumbrujo
Rising Star
Noman said:
Having tried both teks many times,Edgar believes that there isn't much ,if any,difference in the yield using STB or A/B.Actually he yielded slightly more with the STB,but on the other hand it was more yellowish than the A/B, so with the losses after an ammonia wash and re-xing a few times,it works out to the same thing.Even in terms of time efficiency,the time you save by not doing the acidic crock-pot thing is lost later in cleaning it up.Again same fucking shit.So the question now is "which is more fun to do? the acidic crock-pot thing or the re-xing and cleaning it up?Edgar likes both teks equally so he does whichever one of the two he feels up to doing at that moment.Sometimes he "heads or tales" a coin to decide.It's all good. In the end you end up in hyperspace,whatever tek you chose. so what the fuck,do what works for you and enjoy the spice.
And by the way Noman you don't need days to do an A/B extraction.Check out my 7 hour from rootbark to smokeable spice tek now called the quantumtek .not to be confused with the quantum tantra tek .YOU DO NOT NEED DAYS TO DO THE JOB.The minuscule, negligeable amount more that you will get ain't worth the time.Bet you the one month tek will yield less spice than I can exctract in 7-9 hours.
magic clown
aka Slap Stick Sam
My friends learned AB, because that was what was available. By the time STB was considered practicle, they knew what worked for them and never considered changeing.
smokeydaze
Dragunov Mylshka Teapot
Im from AUS so I may be biased but I think the best is definitely by Lex.
with clown on this one, a/b.
swim uses the dea tek.. acetic, naoh, methylene chloride. old school.
re-xtallization with heptane
swim uses the dea tek.. acetic, naoh, methylene chloride. old school.
re-xtallization with heptane
acolon_5 said:
you say that a/b teks allow for a defat.
iv read the procedure for a defat and think that it should be possible even when following an STB.
why is defat not possible on stb? swim used naphtha btw.
if no one answers then swim is going to try it, seeing as how it is simple and should clean the product very well.
diox8tony said:
It is not possible unless you are defating the actual plant matieral prior to basification. Please listen to the advise given on this forum...there is a lot of combined knowledge here.
But if you choose not to listen, that's cool too. It's your $$$ and your time.
Let us know how your defat turns out....and keep the naphtha from the defat or you might loose all of your spice.
extrememetal43
Rising Star
the dmt will attract into the naptha when its a base, when it is acidic it will not pull dmt. However naptha seems to want to pull fat etc out no matter if its acid or a base. So when u do a defat acidic it pulls only fats and oils then u basify it and it will pull the spice.