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What is the EASIEST extraction method?

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behindthelight

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I would really like to do an extraction from some Rue or Caapi and I know there are a lot of teks out there. I was looking at the "The Tao of Rue Extraction" or something like that and it looked like a nightmare.

What do you think is the easiest tek to get some pure harmine or harmaline?

Thanks.
 
I like gibrans method. I haven't used it on rue yet but it works great for caapi. While your end product won't be pure harmine or harmaline it is a relatively pure full spectrum extract.
 
alert said:
I like gibrans method. I haven't used it on rue yet but it works great for caapi. While your end product won't be pure harmine or harmaline it is a relatively pure full spectrum extract.
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Did you find it pretty easy the first time you tried it?
 
it's very easy. boil plant material to make an aqueous solution of alkaloids, add base so the alkaloids precipitate out of solution. add acid and decant to remove insoluble impurities, add base again to precipitate alkaloids. I can't imagine a tek that is any easier to be honest. not to mention their are pictures describing every step of the process in his thread.
 
alert said:
it's very easy. boil plant material to make an aqueous solution of alkaloids, add base so the alkaloids precipitate out of solution. add acid and decant to remove insoluble impurities, add base again to precipitate alkaloids. I can't imagine a tek that is any easier to be honest. not to mention their are pictures describing every step of the process in his thread.
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Ok, well I guess I will give it a shot.
 
Shadowman-x said:
Sorry to say it bud, but "the tao of rue extraction" is likely your best bet.
You're gonna have a nightmare filtering no matter what tek you do.
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damn...didn't want to hear that.
 
Using whole seeds and cheese cloth I don't really see how that is a nightmare at all? Seems quick and easy. this guy got 2.5% from whole seeds using gibrans method. Using powder would probably get you more yield but 2.5% isn't bad and rue is dirt cheap anyway. Or you could use caapi which is also extremely easy to filter using cheesecloth. this really is not a difficult process do not over think it.
 
alert said:
Using whole seeds and cheese cloth I don't really see how that is a nightmare at all? Seems quick and easy. this guy got 2.5% from whole seeds using gibrans method. Using powder would probably get you more yield but 2.5% isn't bad and rue is dirt cheap anyway. Or you could use caapi which is also extremely easy to filter using cheesecloth. this really is not a difficult process do not over think it.
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Ok, maybe you are right. Maybe I am just overthinking it. I read the tek and it seemed like a real pain and a lot of work. Apparently I am wrong.
 
i use the tao of rue and many aspects of gibrans, however id like to suggest that easy should not be the objective, as proper should.

with rue if you want alkaloids, just alkaloids youre going to do a ton of filtering and that probably isnt in anyones category of easy, however i just finished a kilo of rue and am most pleased with my massive pile of harmalas, it is worth it, take your time and let 12 hours go by between each precipitation and let things settle for decanting, thats the trick, decanting!!!

peace
 
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mew said:
i use the tao of rue and many aspects of gibrans, however id like to suggest that easy should not be the objective, as proper should.

with rue if you want alkaloids, just alkaloids youre going to do a ton of filtering and that probably isnt in anyones category of easy, however i just finished a kilo of rue and am most pleased with my massive pile of harmalas, it is worth it, take your time and let 12 hours go by between each precipitation and let things settle for decanting, thats the trick, decanting!!!

peace
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That's awesome man. I'm jealous.

What method/tek did you use on your Kilo?
 
I am using gibrans method on some caapi as we speak... if you can mix up a jug of lemonade and add ice, you can do this tek

Good Luck & Blessings
 
Tao of rue is the only tek I'll use now a days. Basifiying before manske is the only way to do it imho. I don't grind my seeds, but do let them soak for a day beforehand in vinegar water, and freeze between boilings/straining.

The easiest tek i can think of that gives you very good results, is soaking/boiling/freezing/boiling whole seeds. Then reducing and filtering your tea, freebase the alkaloids out, filter, then wash the precipitates (FB Harmalas) with distilled water once.

The best way to filter the freebase harmalas out of the basic water, is let it fully decant, so all the alkaloids are on the bottom with your basic water on top. Pour/pipette/turkey baster out as much basic water as possible, before pouring the bottom layer through the filter. It really speeds up filtering vs filtering more basic water, with the alkaloids not settled on the bottom.

Redissolve in minimal hot vinegar, base out again a few more times, wash with distilled water, then dissolve the freebase alkaloids in hcl water or distilled vinegar, filter and evap.

No manske, full spectrum, better yields, and you can always manske later if you find it necessary.
 
The Day Tripper said:
Tao of rue is the only tek I'll use now a days. Basifiying before manske is the only way to do it imho. I don't grind my seeds, but do let them soak for a day beforehand in vinegar water, and freeze between boilings/straining.

The easiest tek i can think of that gives you very good results, is soaking/boiling/freezing/boiling whole seeds. Then reducing and filtering your tea, freebase the alkaloids out, filter, then wash the precipitates (FB Harmalas) with distilled water once.

The best way to filter the freebase harmalas out of the basic water, is let it fully decant, so all the alkaloids are on the bottom with your basic water on top. Pour/pipette/turkey baster out as much basic water as possible, before pouring the bottom layer through the filter. It really speeds up filtering vs filtering more basic water, with the alkaloids not settled on the bottom.

Redissolve in minimal hot vinegar, base out again a few more times, wash with distilled water, then dissolve the freebase alkaloids in hcl water or distilled vinegar, filter and evap.

No manske, full spectrum, better yields, and you can always manske later if you find it necessary.
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Yeah man, I looked at the Tao of Rue and it seems really, really overwhelming.

"base out again a few more times" --- does that basically mean do the decanting process again?

thanks....
 
It means redissolve the freebase in a minimal amount of hot vinegar and basify again. After 2-3 re-basings out of vinegar/distilled water it will be much cleaner, and often the water will be almost clear, compared to the color it was the first time you precipitated the tea.

Pretty much what is happening, is after you basify, and the freebase is decanted, impurities, and other crap is still in the basic water. But some of that crap is in the freebase, because it got caught up in the crystals as they were precipitating. By repeating the process with clean water, you get much less impurities that can get caught up in the crystals.

Its not necessary to rebase/precipitate it more than once, but it does clean it up a good amount. I usually do it until the basic water i pour off is almost clear, but any more than 3 precipitations is prob overkill. If it was my first extraction I'd prob only do one extra basifying/precipitating if at all.

Rue teks really aren't all that difficult, filtering can be a hassle, but if you decant as much as possible and pour off most of the water, its much easier/quicker to filter. Also keep in mind you want to filter your tea before basifying as well. Anything that is not soluble before basifying is not harmalas and will end up as impurities in your product.
 
The Day Tripper said:
It means redissolve the freebase in a minimal amount of hot vinegar and basify again.
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OK, so can you just tell me if this is right.

1. Soak the seeds. Boil the Seeds.
2. Reduce the Tea
3. Filter the Tea
4. Freebase the Alkaloids
-This is where I am a little confused.
-Do you add the Vinegar first? Is this "basing it"?
-Then you decant the top layer of water off.
-Then filter the bottom layer
5. Redissolve in hot vinegar again and base out again.


I swear I am not an idiot. :) So bare with me one last time with this question.


What is "Basing"?

Is basing the COMPLETE process of adding the vinegar and decanting the top layer off? Or is basing just adding the vinegar?

Thanks man, I want to do this tomorrow, so I really want to figure this out.
 
Vinegar is an acid, not a base.

Basifying the solution would involve adding something like lye or sodium carbonate to raise the pH, causing the alkaloids to convert to their freebase form. This form is not soluble in water, meaning that they precipitate as a solid mass which will settle at the bottom of the solution.

Repeating this process would involve retrieving the alkaloids and discarding the basic water, add vinegar to convert the alks to the salt (acid) form which will dissolve in water, and then basifying (precipitating) again and then discarding the water. Each time, impurities will be removed that either do not dissolve in the vinegar or do not precipitate with the alkaloids.
 
You want to add the vinegar before you are boiling the seeds/soaking. Mix distilled water and vinegar then soak your seeds/boil them. It makes the water acidic, and the alkaloids very water soluble salts (acetates).

When you base your tea using naoh (lye), sodium carbonate, koh, or another base. This is basifying the water, making it alkaline instead of acidic, and the alkaloids become freebase as the ph rises, and precipitate since the base neutralizes the vinegar/acid, and freebase harmalas are insoluble in basic water.
 
The Day Tripper said:
You want to add the vinegar before you are boiling the seeds/soaking. Mix distilled water and vinegar then soak your seeds/boil them. It makes the water acidic, and the alkaloids very water soluble salts (acetates).

When you base your tea using naoh (lye), sodium carbonate, koh, or another base. This is basifying the water, making it alkaline instead of acidic, and the alkaloids become freebase as the ph rises, and precipitate since the base neutralizes the vinegar/acid, and freebase harmalas are insoluble in basic water.
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Ok, cool. I got it, that makes sense.

One last thing. How do you know how much Lye to add to your tea?????
 
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