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What is the highest harmala to dmt ration within reason.

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olympus mon

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250mg harmala's to 1000mg dmt is a common ratio. If I wanted a very heavy harmala changa for certain occasions what's reasonable? Is 1 to 1 over the top?

Question #2- how noticeable of a difference in effect's is using only harmine vs. a blend of harmine and harmaline or something like caapi copy?

Thanks
 
I've got a special blend of 10x caapi mixed with some other herbs but without dmt. When I want an extra harmala kick, I'll add between 250-300mg of extra rue alks to that mix.

I figure with the 10x caapi there should be between 200-250mg of alks already so adding some rue to the mix would bring it up to around 450-500mg. The last time I did this, I only used a little bit of dmt instead of a 1:1 ratio and it was one of the most grounding and tranquil blends I've ever smoked. I don't recommend trying to get up and walk around though as it's a bit more sedating than regular changa.


The pre-mixed blend consisted of:
Mullein
Passionflower
Sacred Lotus Petals
Pau D' Arco extract (10x menstrum evap'd onto mix)
10x caapi

I added 750mg of harmine/harmaline and around 1g of dmt to around 3g of the pre-mixed blend.

The result was pure love and bliss <3

I don't have a lot of experience with pure caapi alks or caapi copy so I can't really say much in that regard. I haven't noticed a lot of difference between pure harmine and harmaline though.

Hope this helps :D
 
I can only offer a remark for your first question. I've made up some 10x caapi that I don't put in my blends. I instead smoke it from a different pipe before I smoke some enhanced leaf. You can smoke as much or as little harmals as you want this way.

I've found that smoking three bowls of 10x caapi before slowly toking, on the 1:1 enhanced leaf, makes my visuals slow to a crawl!

If I take two small puffs of 10x caapi before slowly toking, on the 1:1 enhanced leaf, then it's almost like free base, but I can keep going back up.

My current blend is:

400mg Blue Lotus petals
400mg Blue Lilly petals
100mg White Sage leaf
100mg Mint leaf
1g DMT
 
olympus mon said:
250mg harmala's to 1000mg dmt is a common ratio. If I wanted a very heavy harmala changa for certain occasions what's reasonable? Is 1 to 1 over the top?

Question #2- how noticeable of a difference in effect's is using only harmine vs. a blend of harmine and harmaline or something like caapi copy?

Thanks
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Personally I like 2:1 Harmalas:Spice.

Peace.
 
endlessness said:
oly, I would suggest you make a couple of different batches with different amounts and/or with different harmala content, test them out and let us know. I would certainly like to hear comparisons.
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That's exactly what im going to do so I will give you all my results.
Changa has really been calling me lately and Its time to take a break from aya for now. Ive been wanting to resume working with dmt for a while but want to play around with different harmalas levels.
I plan on using mullien sp? and harmine freebase infused with the dmt. I wish I could afford caapi copy but its more than twice the amount per gram. THH may be a good way to go with the harmine if I can find it.
Icehouse have me some changa when he visited that was 1 to 1 and it for me wasn't enough dmt and took a lot of effort to breakthrough. We were using a crappy pipe however so im sure a better smoking tool would have helped.
Thanks all
Om
 
Why dont you extract yourself?

BTW, seems with extended boiling harmine will turn into harmaline and harmaline will turn into THH. I think due to the chemical bonds the conversion happens in a lesser rate from harmine to harmaline, and more-so from harmaline to THH. Ill post the references later, will edit this post.

Im not sure the rate at which this happens but its been documented and my own experiments seem to show that too. So theoretically one could even have a rue tea end up with significant amount of THH (And then extract that for your own near caapi-copy cheap alks ? ). Or just extract caapi itself... It isnt very cheap but then again if you're anyways making a little bit of each kind, you wont need much caapi.
 
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