I think we almost agree, I don’t know what you mean with material science though. I happen to know this field quite well since I teach multiple courses on it. In my opinion it has nothing to do with the discussion.

I read this comment as that you are dismissing regular scientific discourse as an argument to proof metaphysical phenomena. Or rather to say that they are exempt from the burden of proof. I’m on the opinion that it’s a phenomena that is just that and nothing more, and has no relation to reality other than that it’s a shared experience in some aspects.

In a way it relates to the question of, is hyperspace real? Or in a way as asking if dreams are real. As a phenomenon they are but what you dream is not part of reality. This also is why I have no problem with the duality of having experienced god and not believing in god. These for me are very different things, experiencing and knowing or understanding.

Or lacking of thorough understanding of the things we do, are or see.

You’re not alone here.

Take care