What ratio should I use when making DMT vape cartridge?

[notbrawny]

I know the "standard" is 1:1 ratio, but I don't know if this will be right for me, I'm leaning more towards a 2:1 ratio, also I have a super elementary question, but I will ask it anyway, if you take .5g DMT freebase and take .5ml PG (or whatever medium) and dissolve, the total volume will be around 1ml right? Or will it be .5ml because the DMT just dissolve without adding volume, everything that I've seen says .5g DMT mixed with .5ml PG equates to a total volume of 1ml. Does anyone have issues with 1:1 not being strong enough? I'm not tryna hit my vape 5 million times to get 35mg of DMT in my system. I want 35mg DMT in like 2 hits, anyone have any input in the matter? Thanks.

 

[dreamer042]

I would recommend converting to citrate as it's much easier on the lungs. Here are the ratios for that in the HIELO tek.

 

[notbrawny]

I would recommend converting to citrate as it's much easier on the lungs. Here are the ratios for that in the HIELO tek.

Thanks for the reply, I'll definitely consider this when I get more powder, but for now I have 1.125g DMT freebase, I'm just confused about how much volume does DMT freebase add to PG, like does it completely dissolve PG adding no volume, or does it add volume and to what extent. I'm pretty positive at this point, 1g DMT freebase with 1ml PG comes out to 2ml total.

 

[Serotonika]

I'm just confused about how much volume does DMT freebase add to PG, like does it completely dissolve PG adding no volume

DMT freebase does add its own volume to the mixture rather than "disappearing" into the PG. So for most practical purposes, you're right in assuming that 1 ml (or roughly 1 g, depending on density) of DMT freebase mixed with 1 ml of PG will give you roughly 2 ml total.

In practice, liquids can sometimes show a slight contraction (or less commonly, expansion) when mixed due to intermolecular interactions. This means that while 2 ml is a good rule of thumb, the actual volume might be marginally different - I don't think you need to worry about this though.

 

[notbrawny]

I would recommend converting to citrate as it's much easier on the lungs. Here are the ratios for that in the HIELO tek.

Thanks for the reply, I'll definitely consider this when I get more powder, but for now I have 1.125g DMT freebase, I'm just confused about how much volume does DMT freebase add to PG, like does it completely dissolve PG adding no volume, or does it add volume and to what extent. I'm pretty positive at this point, 1g DMT freebase with 1ml PG comes out to 2ml total

DMT freebase does add its own volume to the mixture rather than "disappearing" into the PG. So for most practical purposes, you're right in assuming that 1 ml (or roughly 1 g, depending on density) of DMT freebase mixed with 1 ml of PG will give you roughly 2 ml total.

In practice, liquids can sometimes show a slight contraction (or less commonly, expansion) when mixed due to intermolecular interactions. This means that while 2 ml is a good rule of thumb, the actual volume might be marginally different - I don't think you need to worry about this though.

DMT freebase does add its own volume to the mixture rather than "disappearing" into the PG. So for most practical purposes, you're right in assuming that 1 ml (or roughly 1 g, depending on density) of DMT freebase mixed with 1 ml of PG will give you roughly 2 ml total.

In practice, liquids can sometimes show a slight contraction (or less commonly, expansion) when mixed due to intermolecular interactions. This means that while 2 ml is a good rule of thumb, the actual volume might be marginally different - I don't think you need to worry about this though.

Thanks for the reply, by chance, would you have a recommendation for how much freebase DMT I could cram into a .5ml cart without facing degradation, clogging, etc..., would 300mg be too much? .3g freebase DMT, .2ml PG, in a .5ml cart. I'm leaning towards this. This guy on reddit "making carts - my personal guide" u/mushroompunhere says he likes a 4:1 ratio which seems absurd but, I would like as much DMT in the cart without facing issues, do you have any experience with this, by chance? Thanks.

 

[Serotonika]

would you have a recommendation for how much freebase DMT I could cram into a .5ml cart without facing degradation, clogging

I don't have experience personally, answering from a chemical perspective and based on anecdotal experiences. DMT freebase is non-polar, while PG is polar. Meaning DMT does not dissolve very well into PG. PG prefers a hydrogen bond with itself, rather than interacting with the DMT.

It seems like below 200mg/ml the solution is stable and doesn't recrystallise, whereas pushing towards or above 250 mg/ml increases the likelihood of crystallisation.

See: DMT solubility in Propylene Glycol (PG) - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
and: Vaping with e-cig juice - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/dmt-in-propylene-glycol-e-cigarette.548279/

Assuming we can somehow make it work with 300 mg/ml (e.g. by keeping it in a warm place and heating it in the cart already - I believe this should be possible, but once it cools down it will likely recrystallise and clog up).

For your 0.5 ml cart, that would mean it could contain up to 150 mg of DMT (roughly 0.15ml) to 0.35 ml of PG.

Assuming that from your 0.5 ml cart, you could get about 50 big puffs before it runs empty. That means that per puff, you would get about 3mg of DMT, which isn't much. I don't feel like it would be possible to get a breakthrough that way - and freebase is harsh so taking such big hits might even be challenging.

Some things to consider:
- Use something else than PG as solvent. I've heard of people trying PEG-400 or different ratios PG/VG (there is a discussion in one of the threads linked above), but I think it's options are also limited / might only improve it by a little.
- Coil configuration (e-mesh seems popular) and voltage used (more voltage -> more material burned -> higher dose). Your options when using a cartridge (as opposed to e-cig) might also be more limited there.

My personal thoughts:
Based on the math, the dose of DMT from a 0.5 ml cart would likely be too far off from reaching a breakthrough dose. Even if you manage to push the concentration up to 300 mg/ml or even 350mg/ml, which could work as long as the solution is kept warm, it still seems like the maximum dose per puff would be too low. The 3 mg per puff might be enough for some minor effects, but it would be far from the intense experience associated with a breakthrough dose.

Even with the potential to tweak the solvent choice, coil configuration, or voltage settings, the dose you’re able to achieve from a cart just seems too far from the required amount. While small improvements could help, it feels almost impossible to make that leap to an effective breakthrough dose, especially with the limitations of the system.

Additionally, if the solution does recrystallize and clog up the cart, it can be frustrating to try and recover the DMT. It might be difficult or impossible to salvage the material once it's clogged, making the whole process potentially wasteful and a bit cumbersome.

So, in short, while this method might work well for light or gentle effects, it’s unlikely to deliver the intense or breakthrough experience many are seeking. Additionally, the clogging issue could add an extra layer of frustration.

 

[notbrawny]

I don't have experience personally, answering from a chemical perspective and based on anecdotal experiences. DMT freebase is non-polar, while PG is polar. Meaning DMT does not dissolve very well into PG. PG prefers a hydrogen bond with itself, rather than interacting with the DMT.

It seems like below 200mg/ml the solution is stable and doesn't recrystallise, whereas pushing towards or above 250 mg/ml increases the likelihood of crystallisation.

See: DMT solubility in Propylene Glycol (PG) - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
and: Vaping with e-cig juice - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/dmt-in-propylene-glycol-e-cigarette.548279/

Assuming we can somehow make it work with 300 mg/ml (e.g. by keeping it in a warm place and heating it in the cart already - I believe this should be possible, but once it cools down it will likely recrystallise and clog up).

For your 0.5 ml cart, that would mean it could contain up to 150 mg of DMT (roughly 0.15ml) to 0.35 ml of PG.

Assuming that from your 0.5 ml cart, you could get about 50 big puffs before it runs empty. That means that per puff, you would get about 3mg of DMT, which isn't much. I don't feel like it would be possible to get a breakthrough that way - and freebase is harsh so taking such big hits might even be challenging.

Some things to consider:
- Use something else than PG as solvent. I've heard of people trying PEG-400 or different ratios PG/VG (there is a discussion in one of the threads linked above), but I think it's options are also limited / might only improve it by a little.
- Coil configuration (e-mesh seems popular) and voltage used (more voltage -> more material burned -> higher dose). Your options when using a cartridge (as opposed to e-cig) might also be more limited there.

My personal thoughts:
Based on the math, the dose of DMT from a 0.5 ml cart would likely be too far off from reaching a breakthrough dose. Even if you manage to push the concentration up to 300 mg/ml or even 350mg/ml, which could work as long as the solution is kept warm, it still seems like the maximum dose per puff would be too low. The 3 mg per puff might be enough for some minor effects, but it would be far from the intense experience associated with a breakthrough dose.

Even with the potential to tweak the solvent choice, coil configuration, or voltage settings, the dose you’re able to achieve from a cart just seems too far from the required amount. While small improvements could help, it feels almost impossible to make that leap to an effective breakthrough dose, especially with the limitations of the system.

Additionally, if the solution does recrystallize and clog up the cart, it can be frustrating to try and recover the DMT. It might be difficult or impossible to salvage the material once it's clogged, making the whole process potentially wasteful and a bit cumbersome.

So, in short, while this method might work well for light or gentle effects, it’s unlikely to deliver the intense or breakthrough experience many are seeking. Additionally, the clogging issue could add an extra layer of frustration.

Well that's certainly nice of you to write all of this up, looks like I will be looking into emesh now. Wasn't insanely keen to the idea of smoking PG anyways. I really appreciate the reply.

 

[Tripolation]

I just discovered a really cool youtube channel that could help with your carts. The channel is called Minty Love. Check out the link below.

Minty Love

Welcome to my modest channel. Update 25 Sept 22- I've moved completely off Reddit. Most if not all of my reference posts (plus a lot more) are now included on the new Website at https://sites.google.com/view/mintylovesrue/home . Or discord Server is now also in full swing, here is an invite...

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[notbrawny]

I just discovered a really cool youtube channel that could help with your carts. The channel is called Minty Love. Check out the link below.

Minty Love

Welcome to my modest channel. Update 25 Sept 22- I've moved completely off Reddit. Most if not all of my reference posts (plus a lot more) are now included on the new Website at https://sites.google.com/view/mintylovesrue/home . Or discord Server is now also in full swing, here is an invite...

www.youtube.com

Watching one of his videos right now, honestly though I might just go get a dab rig or a glass pipe of some sort, the only thing is I just really don't want a fuckin dab rig in my house nor a crack pipe. Thanks for the reply.