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What THH is used for?
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as you may see in the New insights into the chemical composition of ayahuasca thread, theoretically concentrated banistropsis cappi brews if you don't drink the sediment which is usually the idea actually has more THH than harmine and relatively little harmaline, as opposed to most pharmahuasca which is made from paganum harmala seeds which means it usually has a 60% to 40% harmaline:harmine with very little THH content, as to the difference of the effects induced by these chemically different analogues IME harmine+THH lasts longer, does not cause nausea, has an awakening effect as opposed to dream/sleep inducing, far clearer and energetic compared to harmaline+harmine which has a shorter duration, does cause nausea and loss of motor control, has a dream inducing effect and is much less defined and relaxing
keep in mind that is the experience of just taking harmala alkaloids with no DMT or other substances for me, IMHO it can be better for beginners (by that i mean everyone) to begin with the harmaline+harmine combination since it leaves less freedom to maneuver for the experient, or in other words operates more closely to metabolism of nervous cells making it less of an intrusive manipulation of neurochemistry
keep in mind that is the experience of just taking harmala alkaloids with no DMT or other substances for me, IMHO it can be better for beginners (by that i mean everyone) to begin with the harmaline+harmine combination since it leaves less freedom to maneuver for the experient, or in other words operates more closely to metabolism of nervous cells making it less of an intrusive manipulation of neurochemistry
CosmicRiver
Esteemed member
Its MAOI activity is very weak indeed. It also has very weak activity as an SSRI.
Edit: I had suggested a thread about the effects of pure THH, but I found out the product was possibly not pure THH.
Edit: I had suggested a thread about the effects of pure THH, but I found out the product was possibly not pure THH.
ildruido said:
if you really want my opinion i'd say consider taking up a meditation practice and research meditative states from original sources and try things like iboga and cactus and harmalas without the DMT to be able to put your own situation in scope better before taking up the use of vapurhuasca or aya/pharma
otherwise i think you should start incrementally and find your own way if you choose to go forward
ava69
Rising Star
She (THH, feminine teaching spirit) is the 2nd largest alkaloid in Caapi, not an maoi or rima, but an SRI, blocks serotonin just like LSD, mescaline, and shrooms...write all about her here, have used her hundreds of times over a decade, best kept secret in the psychedelic world. She is in the same beta carboline family as ibogaine, and gives hours of dream like visions in monochrome green just like ibogaine, just as important as ibogaine, crucial in fact to Ayahuasca. the meat and potatoes of Ayahuasca.
CosmicRiver
Esteemed member
Without taking anything away from your experience with THH...ava69 said:
Since it acts as an (S)SRI, THH doesn't block serotonin: it inhibits serotonin reuptake thereby increasing its concentration in the synaptic cleft. Its activity as an SRI is very weak though, otherwise it would give problems since it is often taken with MAOIs.
LSD, mescaline and mushrooms don't block serotonin either, instead being agonists of serotonin receptors.
brokedownpalace10
Established member
ava69 said:
What would a good dose of Caapi vine be for...
1. A gentle experience to "say hello", be functional immediately and 100% functional a few hours later.
2. A "trip", touching most of the bases, but still enabling "normality" in a reasonable amount of time.
I am an older gentleman (66, I hate to belabor that, but it's a factor) who is exploring manageable experiences while his ladyfriend is at work (I'm retired).
She is aware, and not against this, so no deception. she is just still working for now. Possibly she will join me at a later date.
ava69
Rising Star
Yes, CosmicRiver is correct, great post. Love your posts.
Good luck with your caapi or caapi extract brokendownpalace10, I make and use my own pure THH as I am a life long chemist, 300mg is a great dose for hours of visions, strong afterglow next day, 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours. You are likely to find lower levels of THH in caapi vine unless it is boiled for hours like the vegetal do, then it is at a 1:1 ratio of harmine to THH, see below, I would recommend buying some pure THH. Little bit more on THH or tetrahydroharmine: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
References: 12 reasons why you should always include from 150 to 300mg pure THH or tetrahydroharmine in your Ayahuasca:
Personal note: I may be a long term chemist, but I developed a method (post #12) many years ago so that anyone can make tetrahydroharmine at home. I went into a trance state after a death and received the information from a divine source on how to do this, as I was stuck at one point for weeks on end with no solution. No fancy chemicals or equipment needed like TIHKAL THH Synthesis. Due to the hundreds of Spiritual centers in South America needing these plants, good older Caapi is increasingly being harder to find. You can do this with normal coffee filters and cotton ball stuffed in a funnel. Tetrahydroharmine (THH): she is as valuable as mescaline, can't do without her. Diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.
Thomas S. Ray's study shows a value of 3.57 at SERT for Ibogaine (4.00 is max). Ibogaine has been shown to inhibit serotonin transporter (SERT) noncompetitively, in contrast to all other known inhibitors, which are competitive with substrate. Ibogaine inhibits both serotonin and dopamine reuptake transporters, it is an SDRI or serotonin & dopamine reuptake inhibitor.
Tetrahydroharmine is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, it is an SRI found in caapi. In other words, both are strong serotonin reuptake inhibitors which inhibit over 80% of brain 5-ht at 5-ht1a.
1. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D:
2. She is in the same beta-carboline family as ibogaine. She is the 2nd highest alkaloid in Caapi. She has a 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5.25 hours.
3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.
4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork. Ibogaine, LSD, mescaline, shrooms, 5-meo-dmt, bufotenin in Amazonian snuffs, all block serotonin, THH blocks serotonin.
5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, she is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline, few people have used her over 100mg. I have seen the receptorome chart for THH vs. mescaline. She not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors A1-A3 associated with beauty and aesthetic enhancement, just like mescaline. Beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included, she is diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.
Actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.
6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank by some of the more advanced members for evening at the vegetals (UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) people are consuming around 300mg of THH.
7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT. The combo of THH + DMT is like listening to music on high-dose cactus tea, heavenly.
8. This pure THH at 300mg all by herself is extremely visual, she's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally.
9. The entry in TIHKAL for 300mg THH is completely wrong, where the unexperienced person compares it to the effects of 100mg harmaline. She is nothing at all like harmaline, and like 69ron once said about the person's comment in TIHKAL, he or she would not be able to tell their ass from their elbow. I agree, what complete nonsense.
10. professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
Tetrahydroharmine or THH ranks very high on the "periodic psychedelic table" among all the known entheogens for inducing realistic way beyond 4k monochrome teaching visions for hours...adding even small amounts of DMT brightens and colorizes the visions, example: reptiles, birds & animals such as serpents/snakes/toucans/parrots/jaguars with patterning show their respective associated colors. Many times I have viewed multi-colored serpents, birds & jaguars several times over hour long CEV periods, serpents are the manifest spirit of Ayahuasca.
300mg of THH or tetrahydroharmine results in hours of dream like visions all in monochrome green (for me) or blue. I've seen palaces, gardens, Atlantis (I zoomed in from high above to the circular city center), bookshelf full of ancient books, world war II famous bomber plane, she teaches you for hours on end...hundreds of visions using just THH alone over the years, one time she took me flying like a bird over what looked like Los Angeles, as I could see all the parks and homes with swimming pools below. She also took me flying like a bird in medieval times, I could make out the markets, and street, and women walkiing along the street, I saw all the homes, remarkable. Many of the visions are like watching a movie, animated, not static. All the visions are beyond 4k, highly detailed. Zero nausea or dizziness, no hangover, in fact you feel better the next day then you did the day before. Strong afterglow.
THH in the caapi also seems to strongly activate the right hand hemisphere of the brain-- the side that performs tasks that have do with creativity and the arts, feelings, visualizations, imagination, holistic thinking & intuition, empathy, spirituality & connectedness. Researchers found that the right side of the brain lit up in brain scans of people who took LSD, mescaline, mushrooms or THH.
Read study reference 1 below, and you will see that Vegetal Ayahuasca (made by the UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) contains zero to extremely low amounts of harmaline (less than 15mg), but contains as much tetrahydroharmine as it does harmine. All of the Santo Daime Ayahuasca contained zero mg of harmaline: Tetrahydroharmine - Wikipedia
Page 154 of "Various Alkaloid Profiles in Decoctions of Banisteriopsis Caapi, 2005":
Good luck with your caapi or caapi extract brokendownpalace10, I make and use my own pure THH as I am a life long chemist, 300mg is a great dose for hours of visions, strong afterglow next day, 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours. You are likely to find lower levels of THH in caapi vine unless it is boiled for hours like the vegetal do, then it is at a 1:1 ratio of harmine to THH, see below, I would recommend buying some pure THH. Little bit more on THH or tetrahydroharmine: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
References: 12 reasons why you should always include from 150 to 300mg pure THH or tetrahydroharmine in your Ayahuasca:
Personal note: I may be a long term chemist, but I developed a method (post #12) many years ago so that anyone can make tetrahydroharmine at home. I went into a trance state after a death and received the information from a divine source on how to do this, as I was stuck at one point for weeks on end with no solution. No fancy chemicals or equipment needed like TIHKAL THH Synthesis. Due to the hundreds of Spiritual centers in South America needing these plants, good older Caapi is increasingly being harder to find. You can do this with normal coffee filters and cotton ball stuffed in a funnel. Tetrahydroharmine (THH): she is as valuable as mescaline, can't do without her. Diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.
Thomas S. Ray's study shows a value of 3.57 at SERT for Ibogaine (4.00 is max). Ibogaine has been shown to inhibit serotonin transporter (SERT) noncompetitively, in contrast to all other known inhibitors, which are competitive with substrate. Ibogaine inhibits both serotonin and dopamine reuptake transporters, it is an SDRI or serotonin & dopamine reuptake inhibitor.
Tetrahydroharmine is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, it is an SRI found in caapi. In other words, both are strong serotonin reuptake inhibitors which inhibit over 80% of brain 5-ht at 5-ht1a.
1. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D:
In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of DMT, so when used sublingually or orally, you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it with long afterglow.
2. She is in the same beta-carboline family as ibogaine. She is the 2nd highest alkaloid in Caapi. She has a 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5.25 hours.
3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.
4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork. Ibogaine, LSD, mescaline, shrooms, 5-meo-dmt, bufotenin in Amazonian snuffs, all block serotonin, THH blocks serotonin.
5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, she is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline, few people have used her over 100mg. I have seen the receptorome chart for THH vs. mescaline. She not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors A1-A3 associated with beauty and aesthetic enhancement, just like mescaline. Beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included, she is diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.
Actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.
6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank by some of the more advanced members for evening at the vegetals (UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) people are consuming around 300mg of THH.
7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT. The combo of THH + DMT is like listening to music on high-dose cactus tea, heavenly.
8. This pure THH at 300mg all by herself is extremely visual, she's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally.
9. The entry in TIHKAL for 300mg THH is completely wrong, where the unexperienced person compares it to the effects of 100mg harmaline. She is nothing at all like harmaline, and like 69ron once said about the person's comment in TIHKAL, he or she would not be able to tell their ass from their elbow. I agree, what complete nonsense.
10. professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
11. Espiridion:
12. Gayle Highpine (Ayahuasca researcher):
At 300mg of THH all by itself, there are heavy open-eyed tracers like lightening flashes, and hours of teaching closed eye visions that start with colored sparkles and fireworks (red, green, yellow, blue) that dart around and progress into full-fledged way-beyond 4k visions with eyes closed that are not only static but often animated like slow and high speed movies, but all one monochrome color like green or blue for me, when you add DMT, the visions then become colored and patterning on animals for example will display their associated colors, DMT also adds on to or builds on top the THH visions, expanding them, but the teachings and insights & visions are credited to the Vine.
Tetrahydroharmine or THH ranks very high on the "periodic psychedelic table" among all the known entheogens for inducing realistic way beyond 4k monochrome teaching visions for hours...adding even small amounts of DMT brightens and colorizes the visions, example: reptiles, birds & animals such as serpents/snakes/toucans/parrots/jaguars with patterning show their respective associated colors. Many times I have viewed multi-colored serpents, birds & jaguars several times over hour long CEV periods, serpents are the manifest spirit of Ayahuasca.
300mg of THH or tetrahydroharmine results in hours of dream like visions all in monochrome green (for me) or blue. I've seen palaces, gardens, Atlantis (I zoomed in from high above to the circular city center), bookshelf full of ancient books, world war II famous bomber plane, she teaches you for hours on end...hundreds of visions using just THH alone over the years, one time she took me flying like a bird over what looked like Los Angeles, as I could see all the parks and homes with swimming pools below. She also took me flying like a bird in medieval times, I could make out the markets, and street, and women walkiing along the street, I saw all the homes, remarkable. Many of the visions are like watching a movie, animated, not static. All the visions are beyond 4k, highly detailed. Zero nausea or dizziness, no hangover, in fact you feel better the next day then you did the day before. Strong afterglow.
THH in the caapi also seems to strongly activate the right hand hemisphere of the brain-- the side that performs tasks that have do with creativity and the arts, feelings, visualizations, imagination, holistic thinking & intuition, empathy, spirituality & connectedness. Researchers found that the right side of the brain lit up in brain scans of people who took LSD, mescaline, mushrooms or THH.
Read study reference 1 below, and you will see that Vegetal Ayahuasca (made by the UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) contains zero to extremely low amounts of harmaline (less than 15mg), but contains as much tetrahydroharmine as it does harmine. All of the Santo Daime Ayahuasca contained zero mg of harmaline: Tetrahydroharmine - Wikipedia
Page 154 of "Various Alkaloid Profiles in Decoctions of Banisteriopsis Caapi, 2005":
Dr. Callaway wrote in "The Entheogen Review":
brokedownpalace10
Established member
Hmmmm. The Liftmode stuff is bogus, right?
brokedownpalace10 said:
Perhaps not bogus, but not entirely pure due to green glow under blacklight. However, it's been speculated that even a miniscule amount of harmine or harmaline in the THH may cause a green glow in a majority THH sample.
One love
Note: Let's try to avoid mention of suppliers as harmalas are illegal in some parts of the world.
brokedownpalace10
Established member
Thanks for the answer and sorry about that. Should I delete or edit?
brokedownpalace10 said:
Of course
And no worries at all. I'll take care of it if something needs to be changed. It's on the border. But you're all good and no harm done
One love
ildruido
Rising Star
Thanks for all these awesome answers! in particular @ava69, it seems this substance can give me the experience I'm looking for!
Which dosage of THH should I take for my vaporhuasca sessions? should I REPLACE the rue seed, take less rue seed (usually 3grams) or just add 150/300mg of THH?
Which dosage of THH should I take for my vaporhuasca sessions? should I REPLACE the rue seed, take less rue seed (usually 3grams) or just add 150/300mg of THH?
ava69
Rising Star
Yes, as Espurrr states, there is only a very tiny amount of THH in rue seeds, see below:
"Hallucinogenic Plants in the Mediterranean Countries"
Ioannis D. Passos, Maria Mironidou-Tzouveleki, in Neuropathology of Drug Addictions and Substance Misuse, 2016
From above article: "The content of dried seeds of the plant in harmine is about 4.3% w/w, 5.6% in harmaline, 0.6% in harmalol, and 0.1% in tetrahydroharmine."
There is less than 0.1% THH in rue seeds (next to nothing), but THH is the 2nd largest alkaloid in Caapi used in traditional Ayahuasca, often found in 1:1 ratio of harmine to THH in vegetal brews: see attached PDF, or go here: https://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothek/various alkaloid profiles in aya decoction.pdf
brokedownpalace 10 said:
How to know if your THH is real or contaminated with harmaline:
1) Wet a cue tip in vinegar, then dab the wet cue tip in some of your tetrahydroharmine, then smear the cue tip on a paper plate, hold paper plate under blacklight, if the smear glows pale blue, you have THH, if it glows greenish, then you have harmaline contamination in your THH.
Keep in mind harmine also glows pale blue, so keep that in mind. LSD and psilocin also glow pale blue when swabbed, smeared on plate, and held under uv blacklight.
Be-ware cheap China made THH as a handful of people have reported it does not glow blue under blacklight, but green, indicating the process was not carried out to completion, harmaline contamination, incomplete synthesis. I recommend making your own or quality sources.
Note: THH is very stable, I've had 2 grams of THH stored in a closet in a container that is 7 years old, that still glows pale blue under UV light when dabbed with a cue tip wet in vinegar and smeared on a paper plate. It does not convert back to harmaline in my experience, extremely stable. So don't accept the excuse that "some of the China made THH is just converting back to harmaline", it simply doesn't happen...the newly created hydrogen bond on the beta-carboline does not disappear.
2) Dab some pure THH on your tongue, wait a few minutes, it leaves a lingering metallic like taste due to the hydrogen bonds on the beta carboline.
L-dreamer post #401 of link below:
SUBLINGUALLY: But you will need to take the THH around 45 minutes orally before you take the DMT sublingually (as a beginner start with only 150mg pure THH). THH extends the half life of the DMT dramatically from 45 minutes to 90 minutes when DMT is used orally or sublingually, and harmine is needed to activate the DMT so it lasts much longer.
I don't vape anything, so I can't answer your vape questions, as I use traditional Ayahuasca, however, I take 300mg of pure THH orally 45 minutes before, then take 30mg HPBCD complexed sublingual harmine (has the power of 30 x 6 or 180mg of oral harmine) at the exact same time under tongue as 90 to 150mg of HPBCD complexed DMT, both held under tongue for 15 minutes, this simulates oral Ayahausca for me, done it over 60 times in 15 months if you count the number of times I re-dose which is usually once again at the 1.5 hour point, no need to re-dose the THH as it has a half life of 10.5 hours with peak at 5.25 hours.
Here are a few of my latest 300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual HPBCD complexed harmine + 90 to 150mg HPBCD complexed DMT trip reports with pics, just as strong as oral Ayahuasca (it still lasts 1.5 hour) but without all the nausea, dizziness and weird feelings often common with oral brews: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
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Here are 3 trip reports to give you an idea of how THH adds to the experience:
Latest Sublingual Ayahuasca Journey #57 (5-20-2022):
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 60mg sublingual DMT feels like 300mg mescaline
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 90mg sublingual DMT feels like 400mg mescaline
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 120mg sublingual DMT feels like 500mg mescaline
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 150mg sublingual DMT feels like 600mg mescaline
For new people: I would recommend 60mg for a +3 Shulgin strength. This is the beginning dose, remember this works for 1.5 hour, the 60mg is needed to provide the horsepower for the long duration. 12 reasons why you should always include from 150 to 300mg oral pure THH around 45 minutes before with your sublingual Ayahuasca in references below, content #4.
Yesterday 5-20-2022, at 3pm, I used 300mg pure THH orally 45 minutes before, then 30mg harmine mixed with 120mg dmt all on a single spoon with (30 x 7 = 210mg HPBCD) + (120 x 7 = 840mg HPBCD) = 1050mg total HPBCD mixed and crushed back and forth on the spoon for 2 minutes using the end of another spoon with 10 drops boiling hot water, placed bottom side of tongue onto spoon, it all adhered as HPBCD forms sticky complexes, studies show HPBCD complexed freebase drugs increase absorption sublingually x 400 percent, held under tongue for 15 minutes, viewed incredible CEV's for 1 hour...
....this time the geometries skipped and went straight to realistic visions: I viewed incredibly beautiful women morphing into other beautiful women, all neon colored, these women changed into nearly 20 different women, completely naked and with animated face changes, infinite beauty, mind blowing CEV's...like the most incredible cartoon renderings of the most beautiful women, they even had geometric swirling pastels on the surface of their bodies...completely blown away. I usually use this at least once a week, just incredible. When I say animated, these women smiled and blew kisses and moved into all different positions...like watching a movie. They made intimate eye contact and communicated via physical motions. This was a +5 Shulgin level experience, this felt like direct communication and receiving of important artistic creative feelings and insights into the feminine domain.
I recorded this journey as one of the most visual of my entire life, never have I seen an hour's worth of beautiful women morphing into other women, with swirling geometric pastel patterns on their naked bodies, communicating physically, this is an artist's dream come true, way beyond 4k, visual detail astounding. I had headphones on, and the music sounded as if I had taken a strong bridgesii cactus tea (18" of bridgesii or around 500mg of mescaline), profound music enhancement, just heavenly, powerful spiritual insights, infinite open eyed beauty and neon colors splashed on all the walls, very powerful experience, it was so strong I started to feel the sublingual harmine/dmt starting to work in only 10 minutes, incredible blast off, lasted 1.5 hour with very strong trip, with 1 full hour of powerful closed eye visions as stated above. Zero nausea, zero dizziness, zero anxiety, fast comeup, had not used THH or DMT in two weeks, this may explain the powerful realistic visions.
The harmine and dmt needs to be taken mixed together and held under tongue at the EXACT SAME TIME, just as the Shaman's do for the most powerful experience, the harmine also helps masks the mild sting of the HPBCD DMT, it is actually comfortable under the tongue, and the sting becomes extremely mild with the harmine helping to mask.
For me, with every sublingual Ayahuasca journey, a higher level of consciousness is awake at one with being, beyond thought and the mind: the realization that all the things that truly matter - the spiritual, beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace - arise from beyond the mind, each journey awakens me and teaches me how to access this level of consiousness in everyday practice, to be the observer of the thinker, to rise above thought, a sense of stillness and peace, to be fully present in the moment, to feel the subtle emanation of joy arising from deep within: the joy of Being.
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1st sublingual Ayahuasca Journey, April 21 2021:
On my very first 300mg oral THH taken 45 minutes earlier + sublingual 60mg HPBCD DMT fb (60mg DMT complexed to x7 or 420mg HPBCD in 6 drops boiling hot water) combined with sublingual 30mg HPBCD harmine fb (30mg harmine complexed to x6 or 180mg HPBCD in 3 drops boiling hot water) held under tongue at exact same time journey with 2 sublingual re-doses at each 1.5 hour mark (had not used dmt in several months):
...all the way till 5am in the morning I was seeing closed eye visions of slow and high speed movies...I saw brightly colored serpents, dungeons I traveled thru, many Mesoamerican pyramids, women of incredible beauty, Japanese landscapes, dancing geometrics, many different animals on a rotating globe, walking on the planet-like globe as it spun, hundreds of visions like slow and high-speed movies over the course of many hours.
I wore headphones and listened to music the whole time, as the music sounded just like if I had taken a very strong cactus tea.
I saw the interiors of many magnificent homes, exposed like a camera flash went off, then off to the next home interior, bizarre alien looking creatures, I saw ancient ruins but they were seen as they were before they fell apart. All sorts of architectural wonders appeared that I could not make out exactly what time period they were from.
All the visions were enchanting & manifested incredible beauty. The multi-colored beautiful serpents kept appearing several times in different forms, as if they have some prominence to do with it all, two of them had shining skin covered in gold scales and intertwined like DNA, reminds me of the Aztec quetzalcoatl myth, the "serpent of precious feathers."
...all of these visions were brightly colored due to the sublingual DMT/harmine and oral THH combo all night long..it was one of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life...and I've taken Ayahuasca x 70 times, cactus 200 times, etc...I have never had over 5 hours of non-stop CEV visions anything close to what I saw that first night.
The visions inspired me to buy a book on the Aztec myth of "Quetzalcoatl, the serpent of precious feathers", as I feel somehow this entity is a "teacher to mankind". I saw the brightly colored serpents many times in the 5 hours of visions, and now I understand why they are so commonly reported in Ayahuasca journeys.
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sublingual Ayahuasca Journey #56, April 22, 2022:
1) Stirred, mashed and mixed the 30mg harmine along with the 180mg HPBCD for 2 minutes on a spoon using the end of another spoon in the 3 drops hot water, it complexes very fast due to the dust-like crystal size of harmine, it appears to work in only 30 seconds.
2) Then stirred, mashed and mixed the 150mg dmt along with the 1050mg HPBCD in 10 drops hot water on a spoon using the end of another spoon for 2 minutes, using muscles to crush or knead it hard together back and forth...then held lighter 1" away from under bottom of spoon for 20 seconds, then mixed contents 10 more seconds...this 20 second light heating really aids the complete dissolution or dissolving of the 2 ingredients. Like a tornado, the dmt is trapped inside the HPBCD cone. This makes it not only very water soluble, but studies show this enhances penetration into the sublingual mucosa under the tongue by up to 400%.
Pic1: top to bottom: 300mg pure THH to take orally 45 minutes before, 30mg harmine, 180mg HPBCD to complex to the harmine, 150mg dmt, 1050mg HPBCD to complex the dmt.
Update 3pm: I took 300mg THH 45 minutes before, then the harmine/dmt complex held under tongue for 15 minutes...mind blowing experience...with eyes closed for an entire hour I witnessed the most incredible evolving dancing kaleidoscopic geometrics I've ever seen, way beyond anything I've ever seen before: thousands of fine intricate geometries....and all incredible neon yellow, pink, green, blue, violet...at some points the geometries evolved into Egyptian cat women and Indian goddesses. I was blow away, I had music playing, mind blowing music enhancement...so heavenly...
With open eyes, incomprehensible "over the top" infinite beauty everywhere, everything glowed with an intense inner divine light, diamond like shimmering...the movie playing had actresses who looked like glowing, dazzling super colorful cartoon versions of themselves.
This felt like 600mg of mescaline, +5 Shulgin level experience, incredible deep head space and profound spiritual insights.
Best part: zero nausea, zero dizziness, zero anxiety. Pure euphoria and bliss. I will continue to use this weekly for the rest of my life.
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Pic: pic of home-made pure 300mg THH at top to take orally x 45 minutes before, 30mg harmine freebase, (30 x 6 or 180mg HPBCD to complex the harmine for sublingual use), 150mg DMT, (150 x 7 or 1050mg HPBCD) to complex the DMT for sublingual use. Artwork in background courtesy Jillian Evelyn "beyond the mold".
"Hallucinogenic Plants in the Mediterranean Countries"
Ioannis D. Passos, Maria Mironidou-Tzouveleki, in Neuropathology of Drug Addictions and Substance Misuse, 2016
From above article: "The content of dried seeds of the plant in harmine is about 4.3% w/w, 5.6% in harmaline, 0.6% in harmalol, and 0.1% in tetrahydroharmine."
There is less than 0.1% THH in rue seeds (next to nothing), but THH is the 2nd largest alkaloid in Caapi used in traditional Ayahuasca, often found in 1:1 ratio of harmine to THH in vegetal brews: see attached PDF, or go here: https://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothek/various alkaloid profiles in aya decoction.pdf
brokedownpalace 10 said:
Some people have reported it is manufactured in China as it comes with a data sheet indicating so, a handfull of people have reported it glowing green and not pale blue when swabbed with a cue tip wet in vinegar, smear cue tip on paper plate, hold under UV blacklight, what color is the smear? See below how to test. One or two people have reported it glowing pale blue, we don't know yet if it is due to certain batches being contaminated with harmaline, or if some batches are pure, I have not bought any, and don't plan to, as I make my own very pure THH as stated above, anyone can convert harmaline to pure THH if you follow post #12 in link given above.
How to know if your THH is real or contaminated with harmaline:
1) Wet a cue tip in vinegar, then dab the wet cue tip in some of your tetrahydroharmine, then smear the cue tip on a paper plate, hold paper plate under blacklight, if the smear glows pale blue, you have THH, if it glows greenish, then you have harmaline contamination in your THH.
Keep in mind harmine also glows pale blue, so keep that in mind. LSD and psilocin also glow pale blue when swabbed, smeared on plate, and held under uv blacklight.
Be-ware cheap China made THH as a handful of people have reported it does not glow blue under blacklight, but green, indicating the process was not carried out to completion, harmaline contamination, incomplete synthesis. I recommend making your own or quality sources.
Note: THH is very stable, I've had 2 grams of THH stored in a closet in a container that is 7 years old, that still glows pale blue under UV light when dabbed with a cue tip wet in vinegar and smeared on a paper plate. It does not convert back to harmaline in my experience, extremely stable. So don't accept the excuse that "some of the China made THH is just converting back to harmaline", it simply doesn't happen...the newly created hydrogen bond on the beta-carboline does not disappear.
2) Dab some pure THH on your tongue, wait a few minutes, it leaves a lingering metallic like taste due to the hydrogen bonds on the beta carboline.
L-dreamer post #401 of link below:
ildruido said:
ORALLY: It is up to you how you dose the rue seed and THH. If you take DMT orally, you should take it at the exact same time as your harmine (150mg) and THH (150mg to 300mg) all mixed together into a single hot 1 to 2 oz tea, and drink at the exact same time as the Shaman's do. Add a bit of vitamin C powder to help the harmalas dissolve if they are in freebase form. Your experience will be x3 times more powerful, just like actual Ayahuasca prepared jungle leaf brew if you complex the DMT for oral use, as it will absorb many factors better orally, see here: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
SUBLINGUALLY: But you will need to take the THH around 45 minutes orally before you take the DMT sublingually (as a beginner start with only 150mg pure THH). THH extends the half life of the DMT dramatically from 45 minutes to 90 minutes when DMT is used orally or sublingually, and harmine is needed to activate the DMT so it lasts much longer.
I don't vape anything, so I can't answer your vape questions, as I use traditional Ayahuasca, however, I take 300mg of pure THH orally 45 minutes before, then take 30mg HPBCD complexed sublingual harmine (has the power of 30 x 6 or 180mg of oral harmine) at the exact same time under tongue as 90 to 150mg of HPBCD complexed DMT, both held under tongue for 15 minutes, this simulates oral Ayahausca for me, done it over 60 times in 15 months if you count the number of times I re-dose which is usually once again at the 1.5 hour point, no need to re-dose the THH as it has a half life of 10.5 hours with peak at 5.25 hours.
Here are a few of my latest 300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual HPBCD complexed harmine + 90 to 150mg HPBCD complexed DMT trip reports with pics, just as strong as oral Ayahuasca (it still lasts 1.5 hour) but without all the nausea, dizziness and weird feelings often common with oral brews: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
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Here are 3 trip reports to give you an idea of how THH adds to the experience:
Latest Sublingual Ayahuasca Journey #57 (5-20-2022):
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 60mg sublingual DMT feels like 300mg mescaline
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 90mg sublingual DMT feels like 400mg mescaline
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 120mg sublingual DMT feels like 500mg mescaline
300mg oral THH + 30mg sublingual harmine + 150mg sublingual DMT feels like 600mg mescaline
For new people: I would recommend 60mg for a +3 Shulgin strength. This is the beginning dose, remember this works for 1.5 hour, the 60mg is needed to provide the horsepower for the long duration. 12 reasons why you should always include from 150 to 300mg oral pure THH around 45 minutes before with your sublingual Ayahuasca in references below, content #4.
Yesterday 5-20-2022, at 3pm, I used 300mg pure THH orally 45 minutes before, then 30mg harmine mixed with 120mg dmt all on a single spoon with (30 x 7 = 210mg HPBCD) + (120 x 7 = 840mg HPBCD) = 1050mg total HPBCD mixed and crushed back and forth on the spoon for 2 minutes using the end of another spoon with 10 drops boiling hot water, placed bottom side of tongue onto spoon, it all adhered as HPBCD forms sticky complexes, studies show HPBCD complexed freebase drugs increase absorption sublingually x 400 percent, held under tongue for 15 minutes, viewed incredible CEV's for 1 hour...
....this time the geometries skipped and went straight to realistic visions: I viewed incredibly beautiful women morphing into other beautiful women, all neon colored, these women changed into nearly 20 different women, completely naked and with animated face changes, infinite beauty, mind blowing CEV's...like the most incredible cartoon renderings of the most beautiful women, they even had geometric swirling pastels on the surface of their bodies...completely blown away. I usually use this at least once a week, just incredible. When I say animated, these women smiled and blew kisses and moved into all different positions...like watching a movie. They made intimate eye contact and communicated via physical motions. This was a +5 Shulgin level experience, this felt like direct communication and receiving of important artistic creative feelings and insights into the feminine domain.
I recorded this journey as one of the most visual of my entire life, never have I seen an hour's worth of beautiful women morphing into other women, with swirling geometric pastel patterns on their naked bodies, communicating physically, this is an artist's dream come true, way beyond 4k, visual detail astounding. I had headphones on, and the music sounded as if I had taken a strong bridgesii cactus tea (18" of bridgesii or around 500mg of mescaline), profound music enhancement, just heavenly, powerful spiritual insights, infinite open eyed beauty and neon colors splashed on all the walls, very powerful experience, it was so strong I started to feel the sublingual harmine/dmt starting to work in only 10 minutes, incredible blast off, lasted 1.5 hour with very strong trip, with 1 full hour of powerful closed eye visions as stated above. Zero nausea, zero dizziness, zero anxiety, fast comeup, had not used THH or DMT in two weeks, this may explain the powerful realistic visions.
The harmine and dmt needs to be taken mixed together and held under tongue at the EXACT SAME TIME, just as the Shaman's do for the most powerful experience, the harmine also helps masks the mild sting of the HPBCD DMT, it is actually comfortable under the tongue, and the sting becomes extremely mild with the harmine helping to mask.
For me, with every sublingual Ayahuasca journey, a higher level of consciousness is awake at one with being, beyond thought and the mind: the realization that all the things that truly matter - the spiritual, beauty, love, creativity, joy, inner peace - arise from beyond the mind, each journey awakens me and teaches me how to access this level of consiousness in everyday practice, to be the observer of the thinker, to rise above thought, a sense of stillness and peace, to be fully present in the moment, to feel the subtle emanation of joy arising from deep within: the joy of Being.
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1st sublingual Ayahuasca Journey, April 21 2021:
On my very first 300mg oral THH taken 45 minutes earlier + sublingual 60mg HPBCD DMT fb (60mg DMT complexed to x7 or 420mg HPBCD in 6 drops boiling hot water) combined with sublingual 30mg HPBCD harmine fb (30mg harmine complexed to x6 or 180mg HPBCD in 3 drops boiling hot water) held under tongue at exact same time journey with 2 sublingual re-doses at each 1.5 hour mark (had not used dmt in several months):
...all the way till 5am in the morning I was seeing closed eye visions of slow and high speed movies...I saw brightly colored serpents, dungeons I traveled thru, many Mesoamerican pyramids, women of incredible beauty, Japanese landscapes, dancing geometrics, many different animals on a rotating globe, walking on the planet-like globe as it spun, hundreds of visions like slow and high-speed movies over the course of many hours.
I wore headphones and listened to music the whole time, as the music sounded just like if I had taken a very strong cactus tea.
I saw the interiors of many magnificent homes, exposed like a camera flash went off, then off to the next home interior, bizarre alien looking creatures, I saw ancient ruins but they were seen as they were before they fell apart. All sorts of architectural wonders appeared that I could not make out exactly what time period they were from.
All the visions were enchanting & manifested incredible beauty. The multi-colored beautiful serpents kept appearing several times in different forms, as if they have some prominence to do with it all, two of them had shining skin covered in gold scales and intertwined like DNA, reminds me of the Aztec quetzalcoatl myth, the "serpent of precious feathers."
...all of these visions were brightly colored due to the sublingual DMT/harmine and oral THH combo all night long..it was one of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life...and I've taken Ayahuasca x 70 times, cactus 200 times, etc...I have never had over 5 hours of non-stop CEV visions anything close to what I saw that first night.
The visions inspired me to buy a book on the Aztec myth of "Quetzalcoatl, the serpent of precious feathers", as I feel somehow this entity is a "teacher to mankind". I saw the brightly colored serpents many times in the 5 hours of visions, and now I understand why they are so commonly reported in Ayahuasca journeys.
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sublingual Ayahuasca Journey #56, April 22, 2022:
1) Stirred, mashed and mixed the 30mg harmine along with the 180mg HPBCD for 2 minutes on a spoon using the end of another spoon in the 3 drops hot water, it complexes very fast due to the dust-like crystal size of harmine, it appears to work in only 30 seconds.
2) Then stirred, mashed and mixed the 150mg dmt along with the 1050mg HPBCD in 10 drops hot water on a spoon using the end of another spoon for 2 minutes, using muscles to crush or knead it hard together back and forth...then held lighter 1" away from under bottom of spoon for 20 seconds, then mixed contents 10 more seconds...this 20 second light heating really aids the complete dissolution or dissolving of the 2 ingredients. Like a tornado, the dmt is trapped inside the HPBCD cone. This makes it not only very water soluble, but studies show this enhances penetration into the sublingual mucosa under the tongue by up to 400%.
Pic1: top to bottom: 300mg pure THH to take orally 45 minutes before, 30mg harmine, 180mg HPBCD to complex to the harmine, 150mg dmt, 1050mg HPBCD to complex the dmt.
Update 3pm: I took 300mg THH 45 minutes before, then the harmine/dmt complex held under tongue for 15 minutes...mind blowing experience...with eyes closed for an entire hour I witnessed the most incredible evolving dancing kaleidoscopic geometrics I've ever seen, way beyond anything I've ever seen before: thousands of fine intricate geometries....and all incredible neon yellow, pink, green, blue, violet...at some points the geometries evolved into Egyptian cat women and Indian goddesses. I was blow away, I had music playing, mind blowing music enhancement...so heavenly...
With open eyes, incomprehensible "over the top" infinite beauty everywhere, everything glowed with an intense inner divine light, diamond like shimmering...the movie playing had actresses who looked like glowing, dazzling super colorful cartoon versions of themselves.
This felt like 600mg of mescaline, +5 Shulgin level experience, incredible deep head space and profound spiritual insights.
Best part: zero nausea, zero dizziness, zero anxiety. Pure euphoria and bliss. I will continue to use this weekly for the rest of my life.
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Pic: pic of home-made pure 300mg THH at top to take orally x 45 minutes before, 30mg harmine freebase, (30 x 6 or 180mg HPBCD to complex the harmine for sublingual use), 150mg DMT, (150 x 7 or 1050mg HPBCD) to complex the DMT for sublingual use. Artwork in background courtesy Jillian Evelyn "beyond the mold".
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Thanks ildruido...even though I don't vape DMT ildruido, I would still take 150 to 300mg pure THH orally 45 minutes before, then take 30mg sublingual harmine freebase complexed to (30 x 6 = 180mg HPBCD) 180mg HPBCD in 3 drops of boiling hot water from a coffee mug, mix and mash the harmine and HPBCD all together on a spoon using the end of another spoon for 2 minutes in the hot water, then place bottomside of tongue onto spoon, it will all adhere as HPBCD forms sticky complexes.
HPBCD has been shown to increase absorption of freebase drugs up to 400% sublingually due to polysaccharide activity. Then I would imagine vape your dmt after you feel the sublingual harmine start to work (10 to 15 minutes or so), this sublingual harmine should extend your vaped DMT experience from a few minutes to a much longer timeframe, as has been shown from previous threads.
The sublingual 30 to 35mg HPBCD complexed harmine absorbs extremely fast sublingually (in only 5 minutes) since it such a low amount and complexed.
I think you will find this very effective, if you ever decide to drop the rue seeds and just use the pure harmine sublingually. 30mg sublingual HPBCD complexed harmine has the power of x6 or 180mg oral harmine. 35mg sublingual HPBCD complexed harmine has the power of x6 of 210mg oral harmine.
The 150 to 300mg tetrahydroharmine prolongs the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron in the brain, while the 30mg sublingual harmine will also act to extend the half-life of the DMT, so both together you should get a much longer experience.
Remember, don't expect a vaped DMT experience to last anywhere near as long as a sublingual HPBCD complexed DMT experience...the sublingual results in 1.5 hour of strong journey with 1 hour of strong CEV visions and visuals. 90 to 150mg sublingual HPBCD DMT results in the horsepower to give a 1.5 hour strong experience, whereas vaped is gonna be very short in comparison. The sublingual 30mg HPBCD complexed harmine + 90 to 150mg HPBCD complexed DMT in combo with the oral 150 to 300mg THH just like oral Ayahuasca tells a story visually and vision wise with significant teaching since it has such a long duration to act (1.5 hour). Plus music sounds bad-ass incredible (phenomenal music enhancement just like high dose mescaline) for 1.5 hour while this works.
The vaped DMT might even be "too intense" too handle, I have no idea, as this is not traditional usage....I always base my trips on traditional usage. Slowed down DMT for 1.5 hour (the way I use it) is easy and gentle to handle, just like mescaline.
Here is a trip report from professor8 who used both oral and vaped at times:
professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
peace, love and music
HPBCD has been shown to increase absorption of freebase drugs up to 400% sublingually due to polysaccharide activity. Then I would imagine vape your dmt after you feel the sublingual harmine start to work (10 to 15 minutes or so), this sublingual harmine should extend your vaped DMT experience from a few minutes to a much longer timeframe, as has been shown from previous threads.
The sublingual 30 to 35mg HPBCD complexed harmine absorbs extremely fast sublingually (in only 5 minutes) since it such a low amount and complexed.
I think you will find this very effective, if you ever decide to drop the rue seeds and just use the pure harmine sublingually. 30mg sublingual HPBCD complexed harmine has the power of x6 or 180mg oral harmine. 35mg sublingual HPBCD complexed harmine has the power of x6 of 210mg oral harmine.
The 150 to 300mg tetrahydroharmine prolongs the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron in the brain, while the 30mg sublingual harmine will also act to extend the half-life of the DMT, so both together you should get a much longer experience.
Remember, don't expect a vaped DMT experience to last anywhere near as long as a sublingual HPBCD complexed DMT experience...the sublingual results in 1.5 hour of strong journey with 1 hour of strong CEV visions and visuals. 90 to 150mg sublingual HPBCD DMT results in the horsepower to give a 1.5 hour strong experience, whereas vaped is gonna be very short in comparison. The sublingual 30mg HPBCD complexed harmine + 90 to 150mg HPBCD complexed DMT in combo with the oral 150 to 300mg THH just like oral Ayahuasca tells a story visually and vision wise with significant teaching since it has such a long duration to act (1.5 hour). Plus music sounds bad-ass incredible (phenomenal music enhancement just like high dose mescaline) for 1.5 hour while this works.
The vaped DMT might even be "too intense" too handle, I have no idea, as this is not traditional usage....I always base my trips on traditional usage. Slowed down DMT for 1.5 hour (the way I use it) is easy and gentle to handle, just like mescaline.
Here is a trip report from professor8 who used both oral and vaped at times:
professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
Complete directions with 3 THH + sublingual Ayahuasca trip reports here post #425, to give examples of how THH enhances the experiences: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
peace, love and music
