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What To Do With DMT-n-Oxide? I want white crystals

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Angel_Above

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I just finished my extraction.

I did something kind of dumb, and put a heating pad on medium under the dish as it was evaporating under a fan for about 2 hours.

I'm pretty sure that's why the DMT turned into dmt-n-oxide (This is pure speculation on my part, but when I scrape it, it was more of a goo than crystals that turned into crystals after I scraped it.

Now it's in a baggie of mine.

It's more of a dark yellow than this stuff I have in another bag (made sure for at least one of the baggies that I would scrape stuff that only looked like crystals).

Can I convert it back to n,n,DMT?

Would recrystallization work? Can someone link me to a tek with that?

Or should I go with 69ron's method?
1. Dissolve 200 mg of DMT N-Oxide in 3 ml of acetic acid (vinegar).
2. Add 200 mg of zinc dust.
3. Mix for 2 hours.
4. Dilute to 10 ml with water and bring the solution up to pH 9.5 or higher with sodium carbonate (or any other base you like).
5. Extract 3 times with 5 ml of DCM (20 ml if using naphtha).
6. Filter the DCM and evaporate to yield slightly less than the theoretical maximum of 184.33 mg of freebase DMT.

I'm kind of at a loss here. I don't fully understand how to do all those steps. Will 10 ml of water really be enough to cover 400 mg of substance? And what can I use to test ph? I have sodium carbonate.

Also, where do I get DCM and what does it mean extract with DCM?

Add it and it should be a separate layer that I discard?

Any help is greatly appreciated, as I don't want to have over a gram of dmt n oxide when I can have pure white crystals.

That's all I really want. I'd rather have dmt n oxide that was white than yellow DMT to be honest... can I make these crystals white again?
 
Do not do 69rons method, it is unnecessary. It is very likely still mainly DMT that SWIY has. WIthout a re-cryslatization impure DMT exists as an oil or a chunky waxy solid. If you heat it it will melt at room temp looking like an oil it may harden back up or not. It is harder than people think to make N-oxide (even with hydrogen peroxide), heating with a fan will not make a significant amt of N-oxide unless SWIY does it for days. SWIY just needs to re-crystalize, to remove oils and some minor impurities, there are plenty of crystalization techs on this forum.

Briefly: The best solvent for crystalizing tryptamine alkaloids is hexane or heptane, but pentane (naptha) will work. One dissolves the alkaloids in a minimal amount of hot solvent (usually using two or more beakers and decanting) and then places the solution in a freezer (or room temp in the dark but it takes longer (like days to weeks). The crystals will then form, the solvent is poured off, and the crystals are allowed to air dry and are then collected. There may still be some impure oil in the first few attempts. To get a pure product one needs to do several crystallizations. Although it takes some effort it is def worth it.
 
What do you mean "Dissolve the alkaloids in hot solvent (using 2 or more beakers and decanting?)

How do I go about heating the solvent? I have a flame stove and I can't really heat up a solvent on a stove for fear of an EXPLOSION!!!!!! lol

But if you could link me to a step-by-step way to do a recrystallization I would be able to figure it out.

So basically can I do this?: add all my dmt to a shot glass. pour 20-30 ml of heptane into it, mix, wait til it dissolves, put into freezer with seran wrap on top of it. (will water get into the shot glass though?)

Then take it out and pour off the heptane to be evaporated on a dish, and collect all the crystallized remains on the bottom?
 
I love this tek for re-x because it appears that some of the pictures have been replaced on whatever server holds them... you will see what I mean.

It a great procedure anyway. I think you can use naptha instead of heptane. You can buy heptane under the name Bestine at art stores. It is rubber cememnt thinner or remover.

A good starting point
 
But DO NOT heat solvents over an open flame. You have to get an electric burner (they cost about 20 at target)
 
Will the eyedropper be a problem because of the solvent?

I know that you should NOT use plastic as a turkey baster/siphoner of layers because the solvent can degrade the plastic and bring it into the solution.

What I don't get, is why am I heating the solvent for hours? That seems kind of strange, but then again, I'm new to this whole game.

I'm probably going with this tek: Bestine recrystalization tek - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

One clarification issue for me: so basically I can heat the water to boil (100 C) and then have both shot glasses placed in there?

Then I take the hot bestine and add it to the DMT containing shot glass. After a few minutes (how long exactly?) I take both shot glasses out and put all the solvent from the DMT icky stuff/solvent shot glass into a THIRD SHOT GLASS, and I put that in the freezer.

Will the freezer add a lot of water to the shot glass? I put my pyrex dish in my freezer upside-down for only about 40 minutes with all the DMT goo I have, and when I brought it out there was frost on the outside and inside of the dish, and now my dish that had almost no water in it is covered in little water pellets.
 
Quick rextalisation

1) get naphtha or bestine (heptane)
2) put a pot of WATER on the stove, heat until you can't put your hand in it for more than 3 seconds or so
3) turn off all burners, get a hot pad
4) move hot water to hot pad, put mason jar with a 100-200mL bestine/heptane wait for it to warm up, it doesn't have to be super hot, just warm/hot.
5) add a small amount of your heptane/naphtha to your spice. I use a shotglass for this.
6) swirl around, a blob of yellow should be at the bottom, you do not want to dissolve this, so act quickly
7) pour off naphtha/heptane into another container
8 ) add a tiny bit more naphtha/heptane to your yellow goo in the shot glass, swirl around for 15-30 seconds, if the solvent starts getting yellow you can either pour it off as quick as you can, or wait for the solvent to cool down a bit, the oils will fall out, then pour off

At this point you have a few options
Freeze your solvent giving you small fluffly xtlas
Evap your solvent slowly, growing large shards of spice

Both are equally effective AS LONG as you did not use too much solvent...if you think you used too much, evap down.

What you have is probably just fine to smoke, and is almost surely not even close to pure DMT N-Oxide, more like 2-10%....but a clean up is good to learn regardless.
 
One thing I have trouble understanding is what do you mean on step 6 when you said "you do not want to dissolve this so act quickly?"

Once I add the naphtha I've read that I'm supposed to use the eyedropper and squirt in and out so it mixes well, THEN it will create the yellow dirty stuff layer on the bottom.

Then you take the good, clean naphtha out and put it into another shot glass, which can be evapped or frozen, right?

And once I take all the good naphtha out I'll be left with a shot glass with impure dmt and a little naphtha, and one with super clean naphtha. I add more HOT? naphtha to the dirty one and do the same method at that point? Siphon off the layer and freeze? Or is that one going into the other shot glass? It's hard to comperehend for me :(

I just really want to make sure I do this 100% correctly.

Can someone tell me how to link photos to a post? I know how to do it on the shroomery, but things are different here.

I have some kind of yellow dmt, some really yellow dmt crystal, and then this even yellower big ball of dmt (scraped all the goo into a small pile and it hardened)
 
Ive used hot tap water with great success.

I take a small bottle and add my naptha to that, Il have my DMT for cleaning in another small shotglass/whiskey glass, depending on how much im cleaning, il heat up the naptha thats in the small bottle in a hot tap bath, for say 4 mins. Then il add this to the yellow DMT, swirl it around and get it all dissolved, then you will have a small patch/blob of yellow stuff at the bottom of the shot/whikey glass, get as much naptha off as possible, freeze that, then take some more naptha from the bottle that was in the hot tap bath and add to the yellow stuff. Swirl around the same as the first time, then freeze precip that separately.

At the bottom of your message in "post a reply" you will see an "attach file to this post tick box" tick it and press post, then ypou will be given the option of attaching a file.
 
Here are those pics:

From left to right: The pretty yellow stuff, kinda of yellow stuff, and DMT gooey shit.

I'm going to try it tonight. I'm using my mohrs pipette to siphon the layers because I don't have an eyedropper, but I have everything else. Substituting heptane for naphtha, but I'll probably end up back to heptane if I do future recrystallization.

Would mixing all 3 of the types together be smart or should I do it 3 times?

The weight is unknown as I don't have a scale.
 
Is there a way that it won't be active after I do all this?

I just smoked what I attributed to being 30mg and felt absolutely nothing. There is still a lot of residue in the pipe but instead of a nice yellow color its almost black (this is dmt-n-oxide).

I did only the re-x on the balls of crystals since they were the dirtiest.

It's ironic because now they're the cleanest looking so I tried smoking them, but no success :-\

I used to smoke like 15 mg and be able to note some effects.

Maybe I spent too long trying to hit it? I did it over 10 minutes.

I guess the test tube method isn't that great.

Do you think the tube would work better with a butane lighter? I noticed as it was being lit that it started bubbling, and then eventually it turned into a dark black really odd smelling and tasting liquid.

I have a bubbler and could switch to that, though the only time I ever smoked DMT out of a bowl, it was mixed in with some salvia, and I'm pretty sure the salvia was the pilot for that journey.
 
I heard if I'm going to use a bowl to have a layer of herb on the bottom, or ashes, or parsley (is this another one I can use?) or something, then the DMT, then melt it into whatever herb blend I have, then top it off with another herb blend.

The method of lighting is to keep the flame as far to the side of the bowl as I can and just allow the flame to "lick" the herb, and once it's lit stop using the lighter?

I don't have the money for a VG at the moment, but if I do get the money I would def get the glass one.

And if I wanted to use the bubbler, do I have to find some sort of screen to put on the bottom and THEN add the herb+dmt+herb?
 
ive seen those colors. i just keep adding my goop to a jar and dunno what to do with it. the rest of it i concentrate into super clean orange and white. most my spice is orange after the pull. very orange with hot solvent. not if i pull it <8hrs after adding it. if i leave it for days its always orange.

i do a freeze precipitate, then dry the crystals, then dissolve in the smallest needed amount of boiling heptane(not that hot really). heat it via the normal waterbath thingy. i use a hotplate. for white spice imho you need heptane(seriously, go buy it. two cans). i then pipette that heptane off, being sure to only suck up the non oily/sticky goo. when i do it instantly goes cloudy and starts to fall out of solution. freeze it in a small glass container. the taller and more narrow the better, but the wider and shorter the easier to harvest. find a nice medium. i use 250ml seal able non reactive glass jars.

if you want a pinkish or slightly yellow spice you can skip all that if you just do a ~120F heptane pull on your root juice. run the base and heptane in a sealed bottle under a hot tap water bath(all the way hot like 140f) until it is a similar temp. or just place the sealed bottle in a stock pot with enough water to not make it float. put it on low until the heptane starts to bubble(water should never get to a simmer. if you see any gases in the water bath it is at 180F. decant via suction.

now place in your frzprcip glass and freeze it. check every 5 min or so. you want to pull the jar out when you see any orange or yellow around the bottom. if you catch it just right you can siphon this off and freeze it to get the pinkish white spice. most of the yellow will fallout/sink first. i always leave about 20% of the heptane at the bottom and just fp the heavyer spice mixture too
 
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