What to do with oxides in limo pulls?

[physics envy]

Hello All,

I think my old bark has a lot of oxides in it because the yield has dropped dramatically using Q21's lime tek and pulling with naphtha.

Today I found an art store with some limonene, but haven't done a xylene/toluene/limonene pulls previously. I have both fresh bark and the mud from the last extraction to play with, along with a pint of limonene

I have NOT found Fumaric Acid locally yet, however, and from research it looks like FASW is best for oxides, no?

What are a few ways to use the oxides? From 200gm bark only about 0.7gm were pulled with naphtha, but this method/bark has produced over 1% in the past, so I'm pretty sure there is plenty left in the mud.

If I make an acetate will the oxides be in there (and probably be gooey during conversion for vaping)? Is that very easy to weigh and vape?

If I find fumaric acid to make a fumarate, can the oxides be broken so the spice can be crystallized and get the full yield expected?

Thanks!!!

 

[tele]

0,7% isn't too bad. I would just buy new bark, even the same one if it yielded 1% in the past...

 

[physics envy]

Unfortunately that was 200gm bark to start with...so only .35%

My supplier has the old bark as well...but he's within the states and doesn't advertise any longer, so I would like to keep using him rather than order from overseas...

 

[tele]

I had the same problem with shredded bark that I grinded myself. And on the other hand I got 1% yield with pre-powdered...
Did you really receive 1% yield from the same bark when it was new?

If nothing works, you might want to try lye based tek as it is a stronger base. And I'm sure it works way better than lime for shredded bark. I won't use q21q21's tek with shredded again, only pre-powdered.

 

[polytrip]

DMT-n-oxide is psychedelic, just like DMT. There's no reason to throw it away.

 

[tele]

DMT-n-oxide is psychedelic, just like DMT. There's no reason to throw it away.

Of course, one should just find a way to take it all out. It usually for me comes out as those sticky spots near the crystals(naphtha) with q21's tek. And it hardens once it's scraped up, also gets yellow much quicker than white crystals.

 

[physics envy]

Yes - I've done probably half dozen or more extractions last summer using the lime tek and always had 1%+ yield. I am using pre-powdered bark. This summer I've done a couple small extractions and each one was like this one...low yield.

Absolutely I want to use the n-oxides, whether in a 'gooey' format or break them down so I can get xtals from them...I'm just looking for some help on how to go about either one.

Thanks!

 

[tele]

Yes - I've done probably half dozen or more extractions last summer using the lime tek and always had 1%+ yield. I am using pre-powdered bark. This summer I've done a couple small extractions and each one was like this one...low yield.

Absolutely I want to use the n-oxides, whether in a 'gooey' format or break them down so I can get xtals from them...I'm just looking for some help on how to go about either one.

Thanks!

I've always tought that the n-oxides get pulled out with naphtha along with the pure dmt crystals... Check out q21q21's jimjam/jungle dmt tek, maybe that can help you. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if the bark has lost it's potency over a year. Was it stored airtight and in dark place? If not, the low yield isn't surprise... Maybe you should check out other suppliers?

 

[The Day Tripper]

d-limo will definitely give out oxides using fasw ime. Acetone washes are highly recommended on what your fasw evaps as well. After that you can separate the nn/oxides by freebasing them out of water with lye/koh. The oxides tend to stay in the basic water where the n,n will crash out. I tried this route, and a lime paste isopropyl alcohol freebasing to get some fb dmt from the same batch of fumarates.

The water precipitation yielded less, but had profoundly different effects from the isopropyl freebasing. I can only attribute the low weight and effects difference to the oxides that must have been kept in the basic water solution, but with the lime/iso route, everything was pulled.

I diddn't bother to pull the oxides out of the basic water with d-limo, but its assumed that it could be a recovery route for the oxides, then you could fasw and have your oxides as salts.