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What’s an Ideal Beginner’s Curriculum?

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Acolyte

Acolyte

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Imagine SWIM has great a interest in DMT-extraction, but has absolutely no experience with drugs or psychedelics. What might be an ideal introduction for him to follow?

Or should he just sack up and do it?
(obviously with careful preparation of diet, meditation, intention, and safety)

Mushrooms?
Salvia? (x5? X10? X20?)
Ayahuasca?




Thanks much.
 
aya and mushrooms are quite similar..you can start low and then work your way up..maybe once a week or so.

For salvia I would persoanlly start with plain leaf..dont expect anything at first though there is a reverse tolerance and you want to build a positive relationship with this one. She can be real firm at times and if you just jump in to quick she just might scare you away..to put it lightly..you can quid or smoke it..but either way I would go with plain leaf..tinctures are basically bunk 99% of the time.
 
If you have done nothing, start with small amounts of alcohol and cannabis, and see if you even enjoy the feelings you get from those.

If you like those, try a gram of mushrooms. If you like that, try a half 8th of mushrooms. DO NOT start with salvia, as it will probably just scare you away from other drugs. Salvia is not only intense, it is often acompanied by uncomfortable emotions and feelings. All in all, dont jump into dmt if you havent tried any other drug.
 
Swim thinks a light dose of mushrooms first would get you acquainted, or even some lsd. Its hard to tell if lsd is real nowadays anyway, so stick with the mushies. Salvia might give you the wrong impression, so stick with a tryptamine entheogen. Like mentioned above, do some reading, the more the better. Also check out experience reports on erowid, from the bad, to mundane, to amazing to get some idea of what may happen. Be aware words do little justice to the spice.
 
There are many perspectives on this and that's not a problem.

Reading Rick Strassman's The Spiritual Molecule cover to cover got SWIM interested in the DMT phenomena, and the amazing stories and testimony of The Nexus has demanded SWIM join and step forth. DMT is obviously an incredible technology and SWIM has no fear of being afraid, there is too much to learn.
...SWIM has a philosophy degree, and "used to" having his mind blown, just not with a nuclear psychedelic.

Spock's Brain, SWIM'd love to have you and The Nexus community as his first sitter, SWIM imagines he may indeed be rather comical. perhaps SWIM shall be a true NooB and post his first adventure on utube? 😉


thank you all for the continued advice
 
maxzar100 said:
If you have done nothing, start with small amounts of alcohol and cannabis, and see if you even enjoy the feelings you get from those.
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I highly disagree with that statement. Those two substances are highly linked to dependency, certainly way more than more powerful psychedelics.

I'd say start with whatever tempts you the most. Just do your research and start small. My first psychedelic was mushrooms and they're also the one I've gone furtherest in with. But they can also be a very light experience depending on the dosage.

I would say don't start with acid though, but only because that can be a very long ride.
 
True, yet I only said to start with alcohol and cannabis, because Acolyte said he had never tried any drug. Some people do not like the feeling of being under the influence of something, thats why I said to start small, but soulfood is right, just start with whatever you end up being drawn into. And if it is not what you expected, dont give up, as every trip is a little different.
 
excellent advice maxzar100
to be honest, alcohol and I have had many fine benders, I was more referring to illicit drugs.

Though I have noticed even READING about DMT has made alcohol less appealing and effective; reading about DMT has made the world seem brighter, more plesant and 3-dimentional. I don't know if this is psychosomatic or if the brain can make more native-DMT merely by focusing on it?

hm...
 
cannabis can also be VERY powerful if you have never smoked it before..watch out and dont think it's some benign euphoriant. It can be a strong psychedelic and even make you hallucinate. Personally I would rather go through a rough salvia or DMT trip than cannabis trip becasue of the short length of salvia and DMT. A difficult experience with cannabis can be a horrible ordeal that goes on for 1 or 2 hours of paranoia.

I am only saying this because lots of people smoke weed all day, and they may offer it to you and if you smoke like they do and the ammounts they do for your first time you may be in for it..people that smoke alot get a tolerancy so they cansmoke whole joints and not trip balls..take 1 hit and wait 10-20 minutes and see how you feel if you choose to do that.

DMT for a first psychedelic isnt that bad..it's fast so if you get uncomfortable you only have to hang in there for 5 minutes or so.. and you can start low. Mushrooms are great as well but personally I think DMT might be better for new people becasue mushroom also last hours and can casue very deep experiences similar to DMT.

Mushroom were my first besides cannabis..and the first time I broke through was with mushrooms as well and all I could do was roll around onmy friends kitchen floor for about an hour while completely out of my skull flying through what I thought was space..terrified for the most part..felt oh so good after though!
 
Your philosophy degree is probably a very good jumping off point, actually. Enjoying psychedelics is largely a matter of your personal ability to accept (on the fly) dramatic shifts in perception and belief. If you are already trained to see and think on a variety of different levels, I would guess you may be better prepared than most for a paradigm explosion.

You have to be malleable. You have to neither accept or deny, but rather flow like water and give yourself over to whatever it is you become. I usually say better to work your way up from something much less inscrutable, but you could be someone for whom that's not such an overly crucial prerequisite. Just go slow and treat it with respect. Focus your intent, get your set and setting arrow straight, and try to remain open for any- and everything, and you'll be just fine, I promise.

Finally - Just one word about YouTube: The Nexus party line is VERY clearly drawn on this one - It's 100% verboten. For a whole bunch of reasons it's a big bowl o' wrong. We're all about discretion.
 
obliguhl said:
All in all, dont jump into dmt if you havent tried any other drug.
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I disagree. Its short and as intense as you want it to be. Perfect!
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I have to agree with the disagrement. I know MANY people who do not use, and have NEVER used any type of drug (incl tobacco) who have had wonderful experiences with DMT. I can't say I've met one that hasn't had a good experience their first time though.

Set and setting. Set and setting, say it with me, set and setting.

A quiet room, dimly lit, with some nice CALM music on very low, 3 strong tokes, lay back in your comfy bed and enjoy the experience.

Mushrooms last 4-8 hours, so if you don't like the experience you'll just have to "sack up" and deal with it for....4-8 hours. Vaporized DMT lasts only 5 minutes. If you don't like it, well you've got 4 minutes left to not like it, not hours.

I think that Aya is something that is not meant for a first time psycadelic experience. It is a healing brew, and those who come to it for fun usually don't get what they want. It can be a very rough ride both physically (purging from both ends at the same time is not uncommon) and mentally.

I think DMT is a perfect frist psycadelic. If you like DMT, you'll probably be able to handle damn near anything (not including salvia... I don't/can't smoke salvia).
 
Uncle Knucles said:
- Just one word about YouTube: The Nexus party line is VERY clearly drawn on this one - It's 100% verboten. For a whole bunch of reasons it's a big bowl o' wrong. We're all about discretion.
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:d

agreed. just being newbie tease.

I've read Nexus users actively "flag as prohibited" content like that.


Uncle Knucles, your perspective on the benefits of philosophy is most helpful. Mental Malleability is what brought me here in the first place (hence the post that's started this thread), I am rather far from any familiar territory already.
I'm glad to hear philosophy may actually compensate for prior naivety.
 
I think it will serve you well, yes - especially in the aftermath. And I've blathered on about this ad nauseum on other threads already (so I'll keep it to a minimum here), but I don't so much think an analytical mind is much of a benefit in hyperspace. If anything, I think, it tends to hinder, as the experience can only be defined by direct experience of the experience (or some such gobbledysquisxmgocbnrutnsocns). All attempts - while in the moment - to frame, interpret, name, understand, only lead to pants-shitting terror.
 
True, and even if you have a difficult experience on your first psychadelic, it will strengthen your mind once you come out of the trip. Thats what mushrooms did for me my first time. It was hard, but after that, I never had another breakdown on any substance, even my first heroic (possibly stupid) dose of LSA.

Good luck to you, and welcome to the world of mind alteration.
 
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