whos ready?

[HagRaven13]

i would like to pref es this by saying i dont consider my self a shaman nor would i besiege such a respect title on to myself, but within my friend group that is the nickname bestowed upon me, mostly due to my "resources" in the community and my extensive experience with substances. Also my friends dont take it upon themselves to due research, instead they entrust their well-being and guidance on to me.

So ever since i was introduced to dmt ive had a strong urge to share the experience with others, but i often find myself conflicted on letting others try it for the first time. for one, my resources are scarce in the area so its very hard me to find and i wouldnt wanna "waste" it on someone who just wants to get high or would dis respect hyperspace. i also dont know how alot of people would react seeing some of the things dmt can show you, as many of yall know when you come back from the hyperspace slumper, especailly if you open your eyes a little early the real world can take a peculiar shape and ive had moment where i thought i ruined reality, but i also know that its "normal" and can keep my com-posher.

So my question for yall is, How do i know someone is ready? i know no ones ever really ready for dmt but i would appreciate any preflight advice or best set and setting for first timer. i was also conflicted on whether i should do a little vetting, i do ask what peoples intentions are, but thats the only question i can think of, is there anything else yall think i should ask or do yall think i should not ask questions and let the dmt do what it does?

Love Yall!!

 

[Achilles]

It’s like you said. All the preparation in the world doesn’t really prepare you. The absolute best advice I can give is make sure your smoking method is on point.. dmt can’t really hurt you but it pretty much takes over your brain and as this is happening your brain is going to try to fight to stay in control and that is what’s going to scare YOU or YOUR EGO. Its going to make you feel like you’ve just gone to far. This scares most people(me included). So the best way to get past that is to quickly breakthrough and let go and idc what anyone says, you can never truly prepare for that. Go big. Make sure you get enough vapor in them that they’re brain is taken to quickly to get scared. This is the best advice period because an overwhelming sub breakthrough could scare them to much and really ruin it forever. Go big or go home.

 

[WarpedDimension]

If no one asks me about it, I say nothing. These experiences are not for everyone. If someone is interested enough in DMT, they will conduct their own research and perform their own extraction enable to create something like this in their life. There is a lot of information on this site and many other places regarding safe practices of extraction methods, proper set and setting and good integration techniques. It is available to those who seek it out at any given point in time.

Don't be a Shaman for others, unless you put in the time and energy to heal yourself first. You cannot heal others until you heal yourself. When you can answer all the questions you have posed here, then feel free to proceed with being a facilitator of these magical experiences. Just my opinion.

Don't mean to give you a round-a-bout answer or be cryptic in any way. I have learned that you cannot help someone who is not helping themselves first. It is a contract. You are responsible for those you save. Tread carefully with love and compassion.

 

[metta-morpheus]

Well said Warped. I’ve put a lot of thought into this lately, as I to have wanted to share the experiences. But I agree I need to heal myself before even attempting to introduce dmt to people for healing purposes. Just because I’ve gotten from it what I have, does not mean others will. And people can’t be helped if they won’t try to help themselves. This is so true, and an important thing to remember as someone who wants to help others. Pick who you spend your energy on wisely. It’s a valuable resource.

 

[Achilles]

Well said Warped. I’ve put a lot of thought into this lately, as I to have wanted to share the experiences. But I agree I need to heal myself before even attempting to introduce dmt to people for healing purposes. Just because I’ve gotten from it what I have, does not mean others will. And people can’t be helped if they won’t try to help themselves. This is so true, and an important thing to remember as someone who wants to help others. Pick who you spend your energy on wisely. It’s a valuable resource.

Very true. People tend to drag each other down more often than not

 

[FranLover]

What Warped said!❤

 

[Loverofallthings]

Warped makes a great response here.

I don’t offer to share it with anyone or mention that I have it. When someone expresses interest I will sometimes tell them that they can extract it and offer passingly to help with their chemistry if they would like. But that’s where I leave it. Let them take the first steps towards hyperspace, let them do their homework. Be present for answering questions or conversing.

That being said, I have only ever shared it with or person (my brother) and have yet to meet anyone else who has taken the steps to extract themselves.

 

[Acuminata]

Hi HagRaven,

Thanks for the topic, I can definitely relate to you as I am also the person taking the role of shaman in my group of friends. Initially I wanted to bring people up to speed so I didn't have to become responsible for their experience, but I have come to the conclusion that I am responsible to making the substance more easily available to them so I must do my best to make it as safe as possible for them.

My approach is that I explain the substance,
- its probable mechanism of action (similarity with neurotransmitters serotonin and melatonin, structural similarity with psilocin)
- its safety profile (impossibility to overdose), but counter-indication in case of personal/family history of mental disease such as schizophrenia. At this point, they are taking the responsibility to consume it or not.
- what it has done to me (some lessons I have learnt --> the first being to not expect too much from it!, and some trips I have had --> dimensions I have been to)
- current research done on psilocybin to cure depression and past/current research on dmt to cure depression and addiction
- I insist on the fact it is weird in every sense, but that is normal to experience something very strange (that's the point!)
- Then, if they want to proceed, I explain how to use the gvg and the different sensations they will experience that leads to the breakthrough or sub-breakthrough.
- I insist that the trip will not last long, but their perception of time is altered so they should not expect the trip to end immediately
- For the first attempt, everybody asks for a sub-threshold dose (which shows they take it seriously!)
- I have also noticed that doing it first to show them how I use the pipe and how I react (duration, calmness) is the best way to prepare them to act in a responsible way and avoid panic. They will know how they will appear to the others (not doing crazy shit they could be embarassed about afterwards). In two instances I have given the spice before taking it myself (because I didn't really wanted to do it), but those two instances where when people panicked a bit as they didn't know what to expect in terms of duration --> they wanted it to end immediately, yet they were totally fine in the end as it wears off quick. Still there's no good way of explaining it, but showing works perfectly.


My experience is that more people are ready to take dmt than those who are prepared to extract it, but I agree that people determined enough to research and extract it themselves will definitely respect the spice and have positively transforming experiences. In my opinion encouraging someone to perform chemistry (even just a "simple" extraction) has more potential for the person to get serious injuries as it involves manipulating flamable/toxic solvents + acids + bases, especially if it is not their field at all and have never taken any chemistry class at school/uni...

I have initiated a couple of very close friends to it, and this was a surprising experience. I was reluctant to give it to someone who has some anxiety and panic attacks caused by stress and who had never experienced anything else than weed, but this person ended up having very nice trips and could let go without any issue. The other person was more experienced in entheogens (had previously done weed, lsd, mdma) and no problem of anxiety or panic attack, yet he freaked out during the first experience and couldn't let go. He found the experience overwhelming but interesting and when he tried again a couple of months later he had a breakthrough and learnt a lot from it. Another person very stable mentally freaked out a bit as he didn't expect it to be that strong. Finally someone less close to me really wanted to try it and asked me not to talk too much about it as to not influence his trip (so I just made sure he was aware of safety precautions and told him how strong/strange it is while being short acting). This is the first time I saw someone forcing its way out of the breakthrough as he panicked so much and standing up while tensing his fists to combat the trip only 10s after it started. He later told me that I probably was the source of his discomfort as he didn't know me that well (friend of a friend) yet still wanted to please/impress me in doing it "properly". I am now convinced that if he had seen me taking the spice he would have had no problem.

Woaw that's a long post...
I hope it helps!
I am also interested to know how you introduce it to/prepare your friends for such a transformative experience?

 

[FranLover]

good stuff there Acuminata =) I found it funny how u could take your time out of the day to give someone a once in a lifetime experience only for them later to say they didnt feel comfy cause of u. Definitley a self centered thing to say :lol: bad for him.

Unless you are the most uncomfy and dead pan person to be around, I will asume its not you but his mindset, the mindset which makes him say something like that, which caused him to not experience DMT correctly.

If I were to show dmt to someone else again, I would first encourage them to smoke weed with me. If they never smoked weed before I want to see how they react. Will they retreat inwards into themselves or will their gaze and heart become more outer directed? Will they find the shift in consciousness pleasent, awe inspiring, or bad and dirty and dumbifying?

Most of how we react to shifts in consciousness is based on our conditioning regarding guilt/shame/pleassure/ and the ego. A solified ego may find solace in the fact of a life lived in sobriety, and this conditioning taints the experience; it is an inability to let go of the self, a self which dmt, meditation, and self inquiry (to name a few) reveal is an utter illusion. Yet for the common person selflesness is mere "spiritual mumbo jumbo." Not a fact, but a theory or idea, not different from socialism or an oppinion.

I would like for this smoking of weed to curve the overly intelectual agnostic people (which are those I am most curious to see how they respond to DMT.) I imagine some are so stultified by sobriety and thinking and information which comes from others, that they will aproach the DMT as a test, maybe an ego boost, at best an intelectual persuit.

I would like for them accept their total ignorance of EVERYTHING and thus the possibility of a Source and System of creation and life before smoking. If they cant accept the experiential knowledge of divine grace, of anything divine and pure existing before smoking, I really dont see the point and would be afraid of them fighting it and having a bad time. I think there should be an acceptance of love and peace in order to withstand the mindfuck DMT is. Even if only for defense reasons! Peace and lovingness can keep you calm through bad trips and will enhance good trips. And at the end of the day its the epitome of what you will learn in hyperspace, so why not adopt the love and kindness mindset from before the first toke? The physical and observable benefits of adopting peace into the heart are clear; surrender, good diafram breathing, fluidity, beautiful images created because of beautiful thoughts.

also there has to be a mindset where pleassure can be found in being high as fuuuck!! Where you dont feel sorry for yourself cause your high (people like to control, so feel powerless when they lack control, which is a completley ego driven fear in most all cases.)

To make it simpler; I dont think I would show DMT to anyone who isnt ALL IN.

To answer RagHaven's title to this thread; no one is totally ready for this, but its better to be 50% ready than 0%.

 

[HagRaven13]

thank you all for your responses!

Sadly I have yet to let my friends start their journey, which i feel really bad about, i personally have been on a break from dmt for about 3 months for a couple reasons, one being my lack of dmt as i only had a .1 left that i decided to save. but as i have acquired more i discover the real reason is the overwhelming fear i have as a result of the last breakthrough. So right now im working on myself before i dive back in, like warped said(thank you)!

Thank you fran for what i like to call the mindset protocol, i guess thats what i meant by intentions, as i was scared my friends didnt have goals and therefore theyd be just doing it to get high, but i see now thats a kind of nonsensical expectation for a first timer. so i think part of my screening process will have to be gauging the mindset.


Also thank you acuminata for your points as i definitely will be incorporating them into the educational session of my process. As for your question.....my last experience was introducing it to my best friend, my prep for him was special as hes recently been diagnosed with depression. When he told me this i was very sad and worried hed get hooked on the medication and would go thru the vicious cycle. so before he became dependent on the meds i told him i can give him the last of my dmt if he thinks it would help him(as i thought it would more than meds) I also told him hed have to quit his meds for atleast 3 days considering it was a ssri and, hed have to not smoke weed for the day as it can muddy the experience and he is an advide smoker so when he didnt smoke i knew he was taking it seriously. That night before the experience we were having a very good, lighthearted conversation with lots of laughs, being in good spirits i brought up dmt and he was ready. I smoked along with him as he said it would make him more comfortable which turned out bad for me because we played chicago(the smoking game) and it ended up being to intense aka got hyperslapped. But my friend stayed silent for about a half hour only to break the silence with the most sincere thank you that brought a tear to my eye. fast foward 3 months and he is off his med, feeling better and seems to show more intrest in things in general. I see this as a special case because we live together so ive been prepping him casually over a long period of time.

Im sorry if my talk of a process sounds like me being a narcissistic or controlling but i just really like to give dmt the opportunity to help people like it helped him and myself and to protect the entities and users from a bad experience

Love this community sorry for the late and long response