Jan e Kharabat
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I acquired some 5-meo DMT a year ago and finally decided to play around with it a bit. It was an orange powder so naturally the first step was to purify. I dissolved it in naphtha, salted out with benzoic acid, dissolved the benzoate salt in water, added a good amount of NaOH (smaller amounts caused emulsions), and pulled with heptane. I ended up with pure glistening white crystals. They were really pretty, but... I wanted the rectangular plates... So I tried to heat it up and redissolve it. I noticed that some yellow oil separated and remained stuck to the sides and the solution turned a bit more yellow, even though it was colorless before. Once again... I didn't get any plates... So I redissolved, salted with benzoic acid, but this time even the benzoate was more yellow than before. I dried it up and did 2 quick acetone washes with very small amounts of acetone, no more than 20ml in total. The acetone had light orange color, the precipitate became more clear.
I redissolved in water, based again with NaOH, pulled with heptane. I left it on the table, but ended up moving around a few things and the jolts and vibrations caused the crystals to crash out much sooner and they were even smaller than before, and again no rectangular plates... So I heated up the heptane, thinking it might have been some other stuff which is heat sensitive as 5-meo DMT ought to be quite stable, or at least so I thought. Same thing once again, solution turned more yellow, and the pretty white crystals I had just dissolved came out more orange a few hours later...
I thought of doing another test. After freeze precipitation, I took the left over heptane and added FASA to it. I ended up with some fumarate, which I didn't weigh but was definitely at least around a 100mg by the looks of it. It was light orange colored. I redissolved it in a small amount of IPA and the solution turned very dark orange. I left it standing, nothing crashed out, put it in the freezer, nothing crashed out, evaporated the IPA and ended up with some red looking stuff which was more oily than before. Now just to make one last test, I added some CaOH, moistened it a bit, left it to dry out, then pulled with acetone, and salted with citric acid dissolved in acetone. A miniscule amount crashed out, barely 4-5mg.
Now I have more questions then I started off with... Where did all that fumarate go? Is it just oligomerization or is there something else going on? If it's oligomerization, why does the orange oil suddenly become insoluble in heptane? How come the salt changes color after precipitation, and that too at a temperature of no more than 80 degrees C (that is the the temperature of the heating plate, the container itself with the solution in it probably doesn't get as hot). After the initial purification step, I had ended up with around 800mg of pure white crystals, in the end it was 600mg of light orange crystals... Where did the rest go? I am very very meticulous with everything and suck up every last bit of heptane during the A/B and I make sure nothing is spilled, nothing goes to waste... With DMT, I barely lose 20mg in an A/B cycle, so I cannot figure out where did those 200mg go, and specially that fumarate. Does anyone know better? Does 5-meo break down or change/oxidize more readily than the normal DMT?
I redissolved in water, based again with NaOH, pulled with heptane. I left it on the table, but ended up moving around a few things and the jolts and vibrations caused the crystals to crash out much sooner and they were even smaller than before, and again no rectangular plates... So I heated up the heptane, thinking it might have been some other stuff which is heat sensitive as 5-meo DMT ought to be quite stable, or at least so I thought. Same thing once again, solution turned more yellow, and the pretty white crystals I had just dissolved came out more orange a few hours later...
I thought of doing another test. After freeze precipitation, I took the left over heptane and added FASA to it. I ended up with some fumarate, which I didn't weigh but was definitely at least around a 100mg by the looks of it. It was light orange colored. I redissolved it in a small amount of IPA and the solution turned very dark orange. I left it standing, nothing crashed out, put it in the freezer, nothing crashed out, evaporated the IPA and ended up with some red looking stuff which was more oily than before. Now just to make one last test, I added some CaOH, moistened it a bit, left it to dry out, then pulled with acetone, and salted with citric acid dissolved in acetone. A miniscule amount crashed out, barely 4-5mg.
Now I have more questions then I started off with... Where did all that fumarate go? Is it just oligomerization or is there something else going on? If it's oligomerization, why does the orange oil suddenly become insoluble in heptane? How come the salt changes color after precipitation, and that too at a temperature of no more than 80 degrees C (that is the the temperature of the heating plate, the container itself with the solution in it probably doesn't get as hot). After the initial purification step, I had ended up with around 800mg of pure white crystals, in the end it was 600mg of light orange crystals... Where did the rest go? I am very very meticulous with everything and suck up every last bit of heptane during the A/B and I make sure nothing is spilled, nothing goes to waste... With DMT, I barely lose 20mg in an A/B cycle, so I cannot figure out where did those 200mg go, and specially that fumarate. Does anyone know better? Does 5-meo break down or change/oxidize more readily than the normal DMT?