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Yes, I agree that the psychedelic often passes along some sort of messaging. However, I think that in traditional meditative contexts, that more holistic view of one’s way of life and one’s meditation practice is more emphasized. In the Pali suttas the Buddha emphasized that Jhana (Japanese pronunciation “Zen”), the “correct samadhi” for his purposes, necessitated sila (morality, virtue, ethics), or else one could not enter jhana. There are other types of samadhi (which generally means unwavering focus), but jhana was the one that the Buddha taught as the “correct samadhi” for attaining liberation. He also taught Brahmavihara meditation as a way of strengthening virtue, but it was not the avenue to Nibbana. And there are countless samadhis he would have outright rejected (sex could be a focus of samadhi for example - the Tibetans have room for it in some small corners but the Buddha of the Pali canon while acknowledging it as a samadhi, would have adamantly rejected it as an “incorrect samadhi” for his purposes).

So of course, more holistic details than just samadhi practice alone are, in the traditional meditative contexts, crucial. In this sense yes, listening to the messages from psychedelics are key. Other meditative traditions like the classical Yoga school would concur with this.

And then of course there’s just the stuff that doesn’t have to do with ethics at all which psychedelics may bring to your attention. Like, “You eat too much salt!”, lol. But then again, while the Buddha never spoke out against salt, he did include diet as part of sila (no eating outside the period between sunrise and noon).

So yeah, I guess acquiescing to some form of sila would be key for psychedelics. Perhaps not a Buddhist conception of sila, because it would depend on your purposes - but many silas and many samadhis for many purposes. Brujo shamans, aka mercenary shamans, have their own nefarious silas and samadhis. Correct and incorrect have reference to purpose, although an absolute standard of correct or incorrect in this poster’s opinion, probably exists (contrary to David Hume’s assertion that there is a distinction between fact and value). From an absolute sense, I would say the sila and samadhi of a brujo or mercenary shaman are always incorrect, though they may be efficient in terms of their provisional evil tasks.

<blockquote data-quote="OneIsEros" data-source="post: 3891603" data-attributes="member: 37513">Yes, I agree that the psychedelic often passes along some sort of messaging. However, I think that in traditional meditative contexts, that more holistic view of one’s way of life and one’s meditation practice is more emphasized. In the Pali suttas the Buddha emphasized that Jhana (Japanese pronunciation “Zen”), the “correct samadhi” for his purposes, necessitated sila (morality, virtue, ethics), or else one could not enter jhana.&nbsp; There are other types of samadhi (which generally means unwavering focus), but jhana was the one that the Buddha taught as the “correct samadhi” for attaining liberation. He also taught Brahmavihara meditation as a way of strengthening virtue, but it was not the avenue to Nibbana. And there are countless samadhis he would have outright rejected (sex could be a focus of samadhi for example - the Tibetans have room for it in some small corners but the Buddha of the Pali canon while acknowledging it as a samadhi, would have adamantly rejected it as an “incorrect samadhi” for his purposes).So of course, more holistic details than just samadhi practice alone are, in the traditional meditative contexts, crucial. In this sense yes, listening to the messages from psychedelics are key. Other meditative traditions like the classical Yoga school would concur with this.And then of course there’s just the stuff that doesn’t have to do with ethics at all which psychedelics may bring to your attention. Like, “You eat too much salt!”, lol. But then again, while the Buddha never spoke out against salt, he did include diet as part of sila (no eating outside the period between sunrise and noon).So yeah, I guess acquiescing to some form of sila would be key for psychedelics. Perhaps not a Buddhist conception of sila, because it would depend on your purposes - but many silas and many samadhis for many purposes. Brujo shamans, aka mercenary shamans, have their own nefarious silas and samadhis. Correct and incorrect have reference to purpose, although an absolute standard of correct or incorrect in this poster’s opinion, probably exists (contrary to David Hume’s assertion that there is a distinction between fact and value). From an absolute sense, I would say the sila and samadhi of a brujo or mercenary shaman are always incorrect, though they may be efficient in terms of their provisional evil tasks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OneIsEros, post: 3891603, member: 37513"] Yes, I agree that the psychedelic often passes along some sort of messaging. However, I think that in traditional meditative contexts, that more holistic view of one’s way of life and one’s meditation practice is more emphasized. In the Pali suttas the Buddha emphasized that Jhana (Japanese pronunciation “Zen”), the “correct samadhi” for his purposes, necessitated sila (morality, virtue, ethics), or else one could not enter jhana. There are other types of samadhi (which generally means unwavering focus), but jhana was the one that the Buddha taught as the “correct samadhi” for attaining liberation. He also taught Brahmavihara meditation as a way of strengthening virtue, but it was not the avenue to Nibbana. And there are countless samadhis he would have outright rejected (sex could be a focus of samadhi for example - the Tibetans have room for it in some small corners but the Buddha of the Pali canon while acknowledging it as a samadhi, would have adamantly rejected it as an “incorrect samadhi” for his purposes). So of course, more holistic details than just samadhi practice alone are, in the traditional meditative contexts, crucial. In this sense yes, listening to the messages from psychedelics are key. Other meditative traditions like the classical Yoga school would concur with this. And then of course there’s just the stuff that doesn’t have to do with ethics at all which psychedelics may bring to your attention. Like, “You eat too much salt!”, lol. But then again, while the Buddha never spoke out against salt, he did include diet as part of sila (no eating outside the period between sunrise and noon). So yeah, I guess acquiescing to some form of sila would be key for psychedelics. Perhaps not a Buddhist conception of sila, because it would depend on your purposes - but many silas and many samadhis for many purposes. Brujo shamans, aka mercenary shamans, have their own nefarious silas and samadhis. Correct and incorrect have reference to purpose, although an absolute standard of correct or incorrect in this poster’s opinion, probably exists (contrary to David Hume’s assertion that there is a distinction between fact and value). From an absolute sense, I would say the sila and samadhi of a brujo or mercenary shaman are always incorrect, though they may be efficient in terms of their provisional evil tasks. [/QUOTE]