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okey. first of all Im a complete noob at extractions and my english is quite bad, sorry for misunderstandings at first.

My drunk colombian sloth made last night a STB extraction. he took 200 gr of MHRB thin powder and put it on 3 l of destilled water with around 200 gr of lye.(NaOH). he gave one hour of rest to the mix and then he poured about 250 ml of naphta.

>>>first doubt, my sloth is from europe and he bought a solvent named "white spirit". On the label it seems to be naphta. it smells like a mix between painting solvent and gasoline. is that right, or my sloth failed at failing?<<<<


okey, so then he gave some shakes to the "cocktel" and let it to rest until he could saw the two layers (besides the drunkness of my sloth).so he separated with a pipe the top layer and put it on another container. he redo this proccess until 1 litre of naphta was used. (150 ml resting inside the soup mix cause he finds it difficult to extract it without basified bark mix)


>>>any advice for separating layers withouth separation funnel, I have no money =(. accurate separation I mean... <<<<


so he put together all the naphta. (850 ml cause he let 150 ml more or less to rest cause separate it includes dark soup of bark) on a glass container and let it all night on the freezer. this morning my sloth didnt find nothing more than oily orange substance at the botom and maybe 5-6 small white flakes at the glass and a big big headache. really smalls flakes. when he poured all the naphta evrything vanished with the warming.


¿¿¿whats wrong????!!!-yeals my sloth at heaven-
 
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first of all, SWIM had the same 'problem' thinking white spirit in europe was naphtha, but its not.. Its a mixture of naphtha with sometimes from 2-20% aromatic solvents (like xylene). This means your sloth's product wont be pure dmt, but a mix of dmt and jungle spice (which are some reddish alkaloids that dont crystalize)

xylene has a very high boiling point, so it takes ages to evaporate and seem to get trapped under the alkaloids, making them gooey and not hardening up. One should redissolve the whole thing in pure (non-denatured) alcohol or acetone, and let evaporate all again, repeating this a couple of times. This will give time for the remaining xylene to evaporate (also because xylene is quite toxic so your sloth doesnt want that in your final product). Also once its nearly evaporated, scrape the 'goo' with a knife or razor, and rub it back against the sides of the evaporating dish. This helps it hardening up and evaporating traces of solvent.

In the end one should end up with a waxy substance. This is a mixture of dmt and these other alkaloids which are also active. To separate the pure dmt (and get white crystals) from these other alkaloids, one needs pure naphtha. SWIM cant get it where he is in europe, it seems they do sell at least in germany though. Many products SWIM found where he lives may say only 'naphtha' in the label but also contained xylene when looking up more extensive info about those brands on the internet.


BTW, did the sloth only mix and let separate once per pull? This should be done at least a few times per pull over the course of, say, an hour. So stir, let separate, stir, let separate, stir, let separate... Dont shake.. So if the sloth only did this once per pull, he should do some more, and remember to warm up the whole thing up (so heat up some water in a big pot to hot but below boiling point, and then turn off the fire, and put the container with the mimosa/solvent mix inside this big pot so that it all warms up with the warm water). If the sloth didnt warm the whole thing up (and its cold in europe), and he did quick pulls, its likely there are more actives still that werent pulled.

For the last pull, to get it out without the basified layer, what one can do is: Pull it out crudely, getting all the solvent layer plus a little bit of the basified layer, and put it in a thin tall glass. A thin tall glass will mean that each layer will now be much thicker, since it is not as wide as the container before. This will allow for a much more accurate separation and you can separate almost till the end. The last little bit
 
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my sloth dont know where can he buy some of this naphta. On a gas station? hardware store? super market? he´s from the country whom won the urocup 2008 -sorry germans-nothing seems to precipitate, and he didnt the hour of rest about youre talking and then the pull. he dont know what to do with his 850 ml of white spirit, hes trying to evap but it seems impossible and it stinks like hell. how many time it would take?. Hes thinking of redo all the proccess cause hes got 600 gr of MHRB waiting for use.


when he pulls with nonpolar solvent (e. g. naphta) how much he should use? he mixes all the separated naphta in a glass and puts it at freezer together? nothing seems to work for him ... =(
 
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nothing came out because what you have is white spirit, which is not pure naphtha, it has some xylene. Xylene will keep dmt dissolved in it even at freezer temperatures. This means to get the dmt (and some other alkaloids) out, you have to evaporate all the way, until the end.

It will take ages and stink like hell, yes, there is no way out of this. You should do this outside if possible with a fan in front to evaporate faster. A hotplate on low (less than 60 degrees ) can also help speed up evaporation.

And as I said, final product wont be pure dmt crystals but a mix of different alkaloids.
 
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Be careful with heating non-laboratory glassware. SWIM was attempting to heat 5L glass sweetie jar by placing it into a pan of hot water. The bottom cracked clean off the jar! Fortunately SWIM had been wise/lucky enough to use a stainless steel pan large enough for both the heating water and the contents of the jar (but only just) so it merely got diluted. Phew! This could have been a nasty, stinky, corrosive, flammable mess!
 
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okey, thanks for the answers dudes. so in the country of my sloth there isnt naphta (spain) or he didnt find it. where could him find some of it or buy another similar solvent for the extraction. he´s very annoyed with the white spirit and his room stinks like hell.

he doesnt understand quite well the "real" use of the naphta, so when he goes to find it he doesnt know what to ask about. can someone give him a hand please?
 
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my sloth doesnt give up. he found some Ronsonol lighter fluid and Zippo premium fluid. here are the pics of the exact same packaging and products:


ronsonol.jpg


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the ronsonol is made at UK, and the zippo premium fluid at USA. both of them dont say naphtha at composition, they say petroleum derivate or something like that.

is that naphtha? He hopes so.

by the way, my sloth wants to freeze precipitate the spice. could he made it with this kind of solvent? wich one is better for STB and freeze precip?


thank u guys for ur help-say my sloth
 
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the above is true, and i figured to add the following:

in my opinion, your sloth should add more water. my grandmother made the same mistake of putting bark-to-water measurments (your sloth's 15ml :1g) and she ended up with a MUCH too thick bucket of tar which made the naptha shuffle yeild basically nothing. with already powdered bark more water is needed. assuming your sloth has not tossed the mixed goo, i would suggest adding another 10-15ml distilled water per 1g of powder. the base lvls should still be high enough to prevent emulsions. then as endless said, slosh the naphta (lighter fluid or VM&P) wait for seperation and allow at least a few hours for the DMT to transfer to the naphtha and your sloth can freeze precip it in a super cold freezer as planned.

good luck to your sloth. my grandmother found that no matter how much research was done nothing prepared her for the actual extraction. mistakes are needed to learn.

this is the type of naphtha my grandma uses if you're still not sure about it:
naphtha.jpg
 
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is that naphtha? He hopes so.

by the way, my sloth wants to freeze precipitate the spice. could he made it with this kind of solvent? wich one is better for STB and freeze precip?
Click to expand...

Both will do. Before starting, evaporate a little bit of both in a separate shallow dishes. See if there is any residue. If there isn't, then it is OK.
 
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okey dudes, finally my sloth got some spice, or something who looks like. it smells quite bizarre, very similar to naphta itself when saturated with spice, the same odor more or less that he could smell when evaping. there are some orange strong pieces of oil freezed, now evaping, and he doesnt know what to do with that. by the way,


how much for the first try of my sloth?

he heard it could be nice environ one match head, how much its that in miligrams?. inb4, cant be eyeballed.

he took a smooth and little toke only for geting the taste and dude, he started to cough and yelled in lung pain!!!
any advice for soft tokes?


thanks for all, the sloth keeper
 
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it probably still has naphtha traces if it smells like naphtha and hurts the lungs

SWIM would wait for all to evaporate, scrape it out and into a plate, and leave to air dry for at least a few days before smoking

smoke with a water bong, sandwhiched between ashes.

a scale is def recommended, the sloth will need it at some point anyways. Its not expensive

without a scale, the only way is to smoke a little, and then increase the dosages little by little (wait at least half an hour to an hour between trips). Different crystal formations have different densities so its hard to guess by eyeballing
 
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DO NOT USE LIGHTER FLUID!! All lighter fluids have lubricants and other chemicals. If you have to use lighter fluid you should really consider distilling your naptha. vm+p naptha can be bought in any hardware store that has paint resources. Most of the time this should be the cleanest naptha you can find. Any other type will have added chemicals.

You guys should really read all the teks out there mine covers the fact that ronsol is never to be used as it is one of the dirtiest naptha out there and I remember at least 1 other tek that stated this as well.
 
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my sloth once said :" on my country there is no vm&P naphtha, so the only way to freeze precipitate spice is ronsonsol or zippo lighter fluid. I think there is no traces of naphtha cause the smell is unique and very different of the gasolines characteristic esence of naphtha. is a complete new odor, but when evaping naphtha it is in fact very similar I think because of the high density of D solved. Quite sure that its high purity D, but I never had it before, so I only can guess.


By the way I had my first hit, I filled a bong bowl with some D, I dont know, perhaps 3-4 rice grains in volume. I vaporized it very fast, and I completly got insane!!!!

think I was far of breaktroughing, but I saw bizarre patterns and hear the "bzzzzzzzz" alien sound everyone is speaking about. Very weird but a weak and besides amazing trip.
Not a party drug, no doubt...
 
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My uncle too uses lighter fluid - Ronsonol - but so far he hasn't seen any residue when test evapping.
Qualia - I really recommend re-crystallizing. My uncle said he was amazed to see how much crap fell out.
 
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Good for you qualia :d If you've kept that white spirit you used first, and can't be bothered evaporating it, you could extract it with some acidic water- vinegar would do fine- then re-base the water and re-extract with your new naphtha.
 
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---¿could I use some white spirit for extracting extra spice from a soup wich doesnt gives any spice at all with naphta (exhausted after 4 pulls...)?
if the answer is yes (because ws its supposed to have some xylene), should I evaporate all the solution and then make a cleaning with acetone for reamaining xylene and then using naphtha for picking goodies? is that correct?


by the way, my white spirit doesnt evaporate at all. its awesome!!!! should I hot it with a hot-plate or something for fasting the process? for 3 days it stills at same level thought... :( how much time does it expends? inb4 it depends of weather---asks my sloth
 
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