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1 week of Syrian Rue Tea

Did you feel this is part of a progression, or part of a kind of lockout? From my experience the interactive nature of the Harmala + DMT experience is one of the most fascinating aspects. Did you live according to the plan and what you are supposed to be doing? If not you would know why the visions could have stopped. Visions and somatic can be different modalities of the same thing I would say and often cannot be separated.
I feel like my lack of visions is part of the plan. It's not that I'm locked out of the experience, but rather that my visual center works at a highly reduced capacity. Back in 2013, I had a session where my 3rd eye opened, and I saw dmt-like visions instead of dreams for three months. I was basically not ready, so a part of myself closed that opening. I even saw an image of a big eye on top of my skull closing. They have a nice name for it in the Tibetan tradition: the sky door. So, the plug has been pulled from my side, and I need to unravel my own knots to open the door again. I know about it, and medicine knows about it. I have no idea how I closed it, so nothing can be done about it right now. That's just the story my mind created around the issue. How much of it is true, I have no idea 🤷‍♂️
Certain types of Buddhist practice or mystical paths yes, ethics, karma, rebirth, different planes of existence; but the total absense of discussion of God is a major omission to say the least from the Dharma, that and no mention of psychedelics, which is the most consistent direct path to communion with it.
Maybe Advaita. What about Kabbalah which Strassman and others go on about. The experience doesn't fit and seems to go beyond any established framework. Shocking but there it is.
Oh, they have God in Buddhism too. They just use different terms to avoid theism, such as karma, emptiness, dependent origination, dharmakaya, and rigpa, to name a few. We can see these terms as descriptions of the divine, the same way there are 108 names for Shiva or some other deity. Psychedelics are there too, but it's an oral tradition. I'm not in the inner circles of any school, so I have no idea how widespread they are nowadays.

I don't know about Advaita in general, but Sri Ramana's teachings work for any experience. He would always point to who is seeing it all and, by doing so, shift attention to what matters. Whatever we see is just a show anyway, similar to a dream. There is no dream without a dreamer. His actual philosophy is closer to Buddhism, imo. He just used the cultural container he was born into.
 
I feel like my lack of visions is part of the plan. It's not that I'm locked out of the experience, but rather that my visual center works at a highly reduced capacity. Back in 2013, I had a session where my 3rd eye opened, and I saw dmt-like visions instead of dreams for three months. I was basically not ready, so a part of myself closed that opening. I even saw an image of a big eye on top of my skull closing. They have a nice name for it in the Tibetan tradition: the sky door. So, the plug has been pulled from my side, and I need to unravel my own knots to open the door again. I know about it, and medicine knows about it. I have no idea how I closed it, so nothing can be done about it right now. That's just the story my mind created around the issue. How much of it is true, I have no idea 🤷‍♂️

Your experience of the third eye opening sounds incredible, and must be frustrating then if you had essentially locked yourself out and now unable to find the key. If you are searching for the key again, possibly the path back to that if its something that you indeed feel ready for and want, can be shown through dreams.

Taking 4 or 5 harmala seeds chewed and held sublingually for a few minutes then eaten before going to bed can work, especially if combined with meditation and lucid dream practices. Dreams will be enhanced significantly but I have also found these harmala induced dreams can be a path of connection to that terrain and access to interacting with it more.

Oh, they have God in Buddhism too. They just use different terms to avoid theism, such as karma, emptiness, dependent origination, dharmakaya, and rigpa, to name a few. We can see these terms as descriptions of the divine, the same way there are 108 names for Shiva or some other deity. Psychedelics are there too, but it's an oral tradition. I'm not in the inner circles of any school, so I have no idea how widespread they are nowadays.

I don't know about Advaita in general, but Sri Ramana's teachings work for any experience. He would always point to who is seeing it all and, by doing so, shift attention to what matters. Whatever we see is just a show anyway, similar to a dream. There is no dream without a dreamer. His actual philosophy is closer to Buddhism, imo. He just used the cultural container he was born into.

Its not just a technical issue of terminology I am speaking about though. I do get that Dharmakaya and Ringpa are terms that can have some equivalency. Yet the path is generally one of self practice although there are teachers yes, but the Buddha’s last words were supposed to have been "All things that are put together come apart. Work to your own salvation with diligence".

This is great advice yes, but the emphasis is on the individual. Christians I had spoken to in the past would state that "the issue is you are relying only on yourself whereas I have God" and I would dismiss this as wishful thinking and just a belief. Psychedelics in particular Harmala and DMT have proven otherwise however, and for me it goes beyond Buddhism, unless they are saying the Dharmakaya can directly communicate with you?

There is direct precence of the Highest, not only directly communicating but even physically interacting with my system as well as directing consciousness to higher states well beyond my normal capability. So this is a challenge to the traditional Buddhist framework in my view, unless there are some hidden esoteric schools out there that acknowledge direct intervention from the Dharmakaya.
 
Ime any negativity from rue is caused by uncomfortable physical sensations, but the more you work with rue the more you will learn how to control these sensations, for example when i first started working with rue when i would take too much the rough body load would trigger pretty scary and overwhelming trips with a negative vibe, but after a while you get to have almost full control of those sensations, mainly by breathing, and some specific body movements.

Rue is a very gentle plant, but you might not percieve it as "gentle" if your not fully pure physically and spiritually, the side effects you might get at the beggining is just the rue cleaning you up.

Even the drowsiness and the lack of coordination, i know for a fact that this is also part of its healing, because after getting past the side effects of huge doses by taking them daily, the lack of coordination turns into full on athletisim and strength and agility and balance, i can take 8-10g right now and stand up from the floor with only one leg pretty easily, and run with really good balance while barely feeling tired.

Trust the rue and the reward is infinite.
Thanks for your feedback about Syrian Rue, it's reassuring. I've upped my dosage to 2.5g yesterday, slept from 9AM to 5PM, the noradrenergic effect from the MAO inhibition was quite harsh, my brain kept racing on things I'm afraid off but I'm pretty sure once the body adapts it has a lot of things to offer. I'm wondering if taking 1.5g twice a day will help reach that adaptation in a more gentle manner because each time I take a dose higher than 2g I feel like I'm loosing my mind.
Re: psychoemotional residues in the body - there have been some good discussions in @TransistorBass' yoga thread.
I took the time to read the thread, thanks :)
 
each time I take a dose higher than 2g I feel like I'm loosing my mind.
Not saying that you should take a higher dose, but I'd be intrigued to hear more on how you feel to be "losing your mind" with them. Having had higher harmala doses myself, in the form of 3.5g rue brews, it's relatable - but there was a lot of instructive stuff in those experiences, and not just in the form of learning to take less :D

I feel there's an element of burning up personal hubris, and some of the ways this happens may prove challenging to the ego.
 
Not saying that you should take a higher dose, but I'd be intrigued to hear more on how you feel to be "losing your mind" with them. Having had higher harmala doses myself, in the form of 3.5g rue brews, it's relatable - but there was a lot of instructive stuff in those experiences, and not just in the form of learning to take less :D

I feel there's an element of burning up personal hubris, and some of the ways this happens may prove challenging to the ego.
Even at 1.5g/2.0g, I get this feeling of losing my mind/going insane but not in a "bad trip" way. I get this feeling of diving deep into my body as if I were falling into the ocean with only the observer state that remains, during that process, I'll have all sorts of imagery coming up to the surface, sometimes of alien nature, the losing my mind feeling feels more like the natural ego attachments that dissolve, I'll also have feelings like maybe I wasted "my life", or that I was all wrong regarding how I perceive and experience reality, it's physically very unpleasant but It goes away.

It's related to my way of living too I think. I lost all personal will regarding achieving or attaining something. I truly think that everything in this reality is a distraction to the infinite self, even the sense of being someone which makes it quite "difficult" to operate in a day to day basis in current modern society where too much importance is given to the character, the individual, achieving things, constantly pursuing something "outside", constant actions aiming at maintaining the "false" self. And sometimes those thoughts and feeling I've mentioned earlier will arise, which I think are just normal, that's why I just observe and don't give that much importance even if it can be hard sometimes because most of the thing outside reflects the opposite, but it is what it is, it's part of Samsara.
 
Even at 1.5g/2.0g, I get this feeling of losing my mind/going insane but not in a "bad trip" way. I get this feeling of diving deep into my body as if I were falling into the ocean with only the observer state that remains, during that process, I'll have all sorts of imagery coming up to the surface, sometimes of alien nature, the losing my mind feeling feels more like the natural ego attachments that dissolve, I'll also have feelings like maybe I wasted "my life", or that I was all wrong regarding how I perceive and experience reality, it's physically very unpleasant but It goes away.
Its very interesting to me hearing these very trippy reports with Harmala tea alone...its worth remembering that the Ayahuasca plant is actually the Caapi not the DMT and it is also considered active on its own. I have to say that I have never gone really deep with Harmala brew alone because of the nausea and body temperature fluctuations put me off, but it may be worth going back and seeing through what may be an adaptation phase, or at least significantly upping the Harmala dosage and placing less emphasis on the DMT subsequently.

It's related to my way of living too I think. I lost all personal will regarding achieving or attaining something. I truly think that everything in this reality is a distraction to the infinite self, even the sense of being someone which makes it quite "difficult" to operate in a day to day basis in current modern society where too much importance is given to the character, the individual, achieving things, constantly pursuing something "outside", constant actions aiming at maintaining the "false" self. And sometimes those thoughts and feeling I've mentioned earlier will arise, which I think are just normal, that's why I just observe and don't give that much importance even if it can be hard sometimes because most of the thing outside reflects the opposite, but it is what it is, it's part of Samsara.

This is ultimately true. However don't forget that there is always a grounding of some form be it a monastic community of support or similar network, for those who wanted to persue that to its extent. You will find much more resonance with spiritual practitioners in general than within psychedelic users I have found, all though there can obviously be overlap but people use psychedelics for various reasons. However Harmalas are already quite niche and a particular type of individual would be drawn to them.

Your 'character and identity' in the world is also necessary. You have something to fulfill and attachments to work through, otherwise you would already one with the Infinite and wouldn't have come here. So the task of participating and sustaining this individual identity can be reconciled with the larger quest of transcending it. It may that you are more drawn to solitude, quiet, old buildings, cathedrals and graveyards or helping the needy for example as this is aligned with this mindset and loss of major interest in worldly endeavours.
 
Taking 4 or 5 harmala seeds chewed and held sublingually for a few minutes then eaten before going to bed can work, especially if combined with meditation and lucid dream practices. Dreams will be enhanced significantly but I have also found these harmala induced dreams can be a path of connection to that terrain and access to interacting with it more.
Thank you. Funny thing, my condition applies to the whole visual center, so the capacity to see dreams is diminished. I'm kind of fine with it at this point, but I still try different methods from time to time. My recent insights are to try a pranayama practice to clean my channels and buy an eye mask :LOL:
Yet the path is generally one of self practice although there are teachers yes, but the Buddha’s last words were supposed to have been "All things that are put together come apart. Work to your own salvation with diligence".
Yes, yet that's just the first turn of the wheel of Dharma - Hinayana. They develop these ideas further down the road 🤓
This is great advice yes, but the emphasis is on the individual. Christians I had spoken to in the past would state that "the issue is you are relying only on yourself whereas I have God" and I would dismiss this as wishful thinking and just a belief. Psychedelics in particular Harmala and DMT have proven otherwise however, and for me it goes beyond Buddhism, unless they are saying the Dharmakaya can directly communicate with you?
I consider Sri Ramana my root guru because his teachings lit the flame of wisdom in me. Consequently, any other tradition looks like his teachings, hehe. God is yourself; that's the light that brings life to the ego. They have a term for it in Vajrayana, but I can't remember. Dharmakaya can manifest as whatever is needed. It's similar to avatars in the Hindu tradition. I'm not an expert in any of these, but I see commonalities everywhere. They say Sri Ramana manifested as God on Earth to guide his devotees. You see the pattern. All of it is just stories for us to relate to something beyond all names and forms 🙇‍♂️
There is direct precence of the Highest, not only directly communicating but even physically interacting with my system as well as directing consciousness to higher states well beyond my normal capability. So this is a challenge to the traditional Buddhist framework in my view, unless there are some hidden esoteric schools out there that acknowledge direct intervention from the Dharmakaya.
There is a term in Buddhism - 84,000 dharma doors. There is also a famous Q&A between Sri Ramana and Yogananda:
Yogananda: How is the spiritual uplift of the people to be effected? What are the instructions to be given to them?
Maharshi: They differ according to the temperaments of the individuals and according to the spiritual ripeness of their minds. There cannot be any instruction en masse.
We all resonate with what fits our nature, and that's how it's supposed to be. There is no real truth on our level - just the means to get there. I remember reading that Buddhist philosophy is supreme (especially Madhyamaka, which emphasizes "my view is no view"), but practically Advaita is more relevant for the human psyche. Buddhists point to the same things, but they use too many terms to do it, imo. It took me a while to see that 🤦‍♂️
Even at 1.5g/2.0g, I get this feeling of losing my mind/going insane but not in a "bad trip" way. I get this feeling of diving deep into my body as if I were falling into the ocean with only the observer state that remains, during that process, I'll have all sorts of imagery coming up to the surface, sometimes of alien nature, the losing my mind feeling feels more like the natural ego attachments that dissolve, I'll also have feelings like maybe I wasted "my life", or that I was all wrong regarding how I perceive and experience reality, it's physically very unpleasant but It goes away.
Rue is not that dangerous. It's an anxiolytic too, so getting a really bad trip on just rue is close to impossible. Your system seems to be sensitive, and that's a good thing. It shows that you're primed for this medicine. Go slow and explore ⛵
It's related to my way of living too I think. I lost all personal will regarding achieving or attaining something. I truly think that everything in this reality is a distraction to the infinite self, even the sense of being someone which makes it quite "difficult" to operate in a day to day basis in current modern society where too much importance is given to the character, the individual, achieving things, constantly pursuing something "outside", constant actions aiming at maintaining the "false" self. And sometimes those thoughts and feeling I've mentioned earlier will arise, which I think are just normal, that's why I just observe and don't give that much importance even if it can be hard sometimes because most of the thing outside reflects the opposite, but it is what it is, it's part of Samsara.
Yes and no. What you say is basically a story you've created. Samsara is just a story, too. In any esoteric tradition, they say that there is no difference between samsara and nirvana. These labels exist only on our level. Sri Ramana always advised people to work on themselves from within. It's a personal affair inside your own mind. Do your duty, live your life in society, but do investigate who is doing all these things. By investigate, we mean paying attention to your sense of self or being. That's it. Everything else is just stories that the mind tells.
To ask the mind to kill itself is like making the thief the policeman. He will go with you and pretend to catch the thief, but nothing will be gained. So you must turn inward and see where the mind rises from, and then it will cease to exist.
I have to say that I have never gone really deep with Harmala brew alone because of the nausea and body temperature fluctuations put me off, but it may be worth going back and seeing through what may be an adaptation phase, or at least significantly upping the Harmala dosage and placing less emphasis on the DMT subsequently.
Please do. I feel you'll be pleasantly surprised. After years of dmt-heavy brews, I came back to a simple rue tea. Lots of what I thought were dmt effects actually came from rue.

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I'm wondering if taking 1.5g twice a day will help reach that adaptation in a more gentle manner because each time I take a dose higher than 2g I feel like I'm loosing my mind.

Im not fully sure but i think spreading out the dose changes the alkaloid ratio, i believe it gives more harmine and less harmaline, not fully sure tho but i think it does because when redosing the effects feel different not just stronger or weaker, i would say tho imo its better to just take your full dose by daytime and not redose.

And i know what you mean by feeling like your going crazy, dont pay attention to it, harmalas are extremely forgiving if you dont keep fighting back, the feeling of going crazy is nothing like what you might get from psychedelics or even weed, when you feel like the dose is hitting too hard try to sit somewhere alone with no noise at all or anything distracting and just breathe slowly, dont touch your phone and just fully relax your body, its pretty easy on harmalas unlike psychedelics, youll find yourself forgetting the uncomfortable feeling pretty quickly.
 
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