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18 mg freebase/acetate IV

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Izzy

Izzy

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SWIM put 100 mg DMT freebase into 10 ml H20 but it didn't dissolve so he added 1cc 5% acetic acid. (white vinegar) Shook it up and it dissolved.

First time trying DMT after numerous prior tests of other psychedelics.

2 cc from a 3cc syringe was injected through a 31 gauge needle into a vein.

About two seconds later carrier wave was heard and SWIM was instantly tripping almost as hard as he ever had. With eyes closed there was intense geometry, light and vibration. There was perception of a female entity, something like a mayan or aztec goddess, wagging her finger in a 'don't come in here' motion. Something like she didn't want SWIM to go deeper/breakthrough. Also fear of moving farther and farther south into Mexico and the Amazon.

SWIM opened eyes in fear and saw the ceiling fan, fucking ceiling fan, always there. The door from the bedroom into the bathroom was oppressive in its design. There was a deep pattern of vibration coming from the blanket, about a foot deep. SWIM shut his eyes.

Guardian Goddess there again wagging her finger. Was she mocking, cursing, or joking? Still very strong closed eye visual. Opened eyes, fucking ceiling fan. fucking door. Shut eyes. Repeat several times.

Subjectively lasted about ten minutes. SWIM got out of bed freaked out, but calmed down in about five minutes.

SWIM doesn't think he broke through, dose was too small. Jesus it was fast.

So easy to do. Scared at the time but would go deeper again. Recommended dosage? Last was 18 mg.
 
Izzy said:
So easy to do. Scared at the time but would go deeper again. Recommended dosage? Last was 18 mg.
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From the FAQ:

INTRAVENOUS:
moderate dose: 0.2mg/kg (source: Rick Strassman's experiments)
very strong dose: 0.4mg/kg (source: Rick Strassman's experiments)

Strassman's Spirit Molecule is a good read, too. Sounds like you were in the ball park of a "moderate" dose, although DMT experiences can only ever be characterized as moderate in hindsight... Please be safe and measure accurately. And let us know.
Best,
L

ps - how much do you weigh?
 
FAQ: IV DMT ?


FAQ said:
IV DMT is possible but we do not recommend it mainly for two reasons:

1- The only official research done with DMT by Rick Strassmann used FDA-approved ultra pure DMT fumarate. The quality of home extraction products is questionable, one may have solvent traces and other impurities that could be uncomfortable, painful or downright dangerous to inject.

2- The onset of the effects are so quick that one might not be able to take out the needle in time and accidentally ripping their vein out while in hyperspace, or putting it down too near and rolling around/puncturing oneself


IF one is gonna do it inspite of contrary recommendations, then please: Take care in making many purifying steps (several recrystallizations/washes) and making sure it has no solvent or other chemical traces in the final product (redissolving the recrystallized product in USP grade acetone or ethanol and re-evaporating, scrapping and letting it dry completely before converting to fumarates in a sterile solution, etc.).

Also, for the first try, take at most 0.2mg/kg, preferably less. And VERY importantly, do NOT do it by yourself, have a sitter that is experienced with needles inject for you and be there to make sure you are physically safe.
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The risks need mentioning... there are some, they are very real.
Please no one jump into this kind of thing without ALOT of thought, research and expertize.
Cleaning a home made DMT extract to the point of IM/IV it being "safe" may be beyond the scope of what is normally practiced here as a very high purity is needed. It takes a degree of knowledge, skill and equipment. Tho i don't doubt some are capable I'm trying to make the point that its not a casual thing to be doing, and is not really gonna happen with DIY store bought solvents and drain blocker lye... ect.
 
why would you inject acetates that you made with vinegar? thats sort of a reckless ghetto kitchen tek and I dont know if this post should even be kept in public view..but it maybe should be left here so that others can see that this is NOT a good idea. If you want to IV or IM make dman sure you have LAB GRADE DMT and fumerate salts are usually used.
 
Go you, idiot. You're the kind of person who deserves something bad to happen to you out of your own complete lack of research, 'I know fuck-all about DMT so instead of researching it so I know more about how I should use it I think I'll just inject some freebase, yeah, that sounds like fun.' If people like you are the future Izzy then God help us all.
 
This worked out to exactly 0.2 mg/kg.


DoingKermit said:
What made you decide to go the intravenous route for your first time?
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:) Several reasons, SWIM is quite familiar with the 'route'. He knows that IV is the most efficient route of administration. He wants reproducible dosing. Read many times about people not knowing how much they smoked. How much they absorbed from the smoke. Was their smoking technique good or bad? Was their pipe adequate. How much remained on the screen. Did they hold it in long enough? How much remained in the expired smoke? The smoking sounds somewhat unpleasant and SWIM doesn't have a pipe.


Fractal enchantment, you asked "why would you inject acetates that you made with vinegar?"

Two answers... 1. To attempt to enter hyerspace.

And 2. Um, because that's what DMT acetate is made from. Distilled vinegar is another name for acetic acid. "Any type of vinegar may be distilled to produce a colorless solution of about 5% to 8% acetic acid in water. This is variously known as distilled spirit or "virgin" vinegar, or white vinegar, and is used for medicinal, laboratory and cleaning purposes"

SWIM used 50mg (.00083 mol) acetic acid (60.1 gm/mol) added to 100 mg (.00053 mol) pharmaceutical grade DMT freebase. (188.3 gm/mol). It worked well and was well tolerated.

You said "thats sort of a reckless ghetto kitchen tek" :oops: Hmmm. Please don't disparage my kitchen like that.

You said "I dont know if this post should even be kept in public view..but it maybe should be left here so that others can see that this is NOT a good idea" More Hmmm.

It was a very good idea for SWIM. Perhaps not for SWIY. Probably not the best thing to try to apply SWIY's value system to SWIM.

And you said "If you want to IV or IM make dman sure you have LAB GRADE DMT"

SWIM did.

"and fumerate salts are usually used."

That's all well and good. As reported by SWIM the acetate works quite well, (and are also commonly used).


:d
 
Seraph said:
Go you, idiot. You're the kind of person who deserves something bad to happen to you out of your own complete lack of research, 'I know fuck-all about DMT so instead of researching it so I know more about how I should use it I think I'll just inject some freebase, yeah, that sounds like fun.' If people like you are the future Izzy then God help us all.
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17:54:55 ‹Seraph› has anyone got any harm reduction tips? I'm thinking of IV ing and I've never IV d before

18:12:50 ‹Seraph› cause i keep failing pharmahuasca and ayahuasca for some reason and I can't think of anywhere I can vaporise DMT because there are smoke alarms everywhere and smoking a glass pipe anywhere is going to attract police attention

18:16:56 ‹Czepa› where did you get it from?
18:17:05 ‹Seraph› get what from?
18:17:10 ‹Czepa› dmt
18:17:19 ‹Seraph› mimosa extraction
18:17:29 ‹Czepa› you said you failed all your attempts?
18:17:46 ‹Seraph› I did one ages ago that I achieved
18:18:20 ‹Seraph› I failed all my recent attempts because I've been stirring it a saucepan as opposed to shaking it about
18:19:32 ‹Seraph› will dmt vopur set of a smoke alarm?

18:22:52 ‹Seraph› they do Czepa, and a lockable toilet in each dorm
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Seraph said:
Go you, idiot. You're the kind of person who deserves something bad to happen to you out of your own complete lack of research, 'I know fuck-all about DMT so instead of researching it so I know more about how I should use it I think I'll just inject some freebase, yeah, that sounds like fun.' If people like you are the future Izzy then God help us all.
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Um, you know what other people 'deserve'?

"out of your own complete lack of research" You know this how? Did SWIM tell you anything, I mean anything, about his research?

SWIM didn't inject freebase, sorry you didn't understand that part.

You're the kind of person who calls people 'idiot'.
 
a1pha you totally rule. Thanks.


Back to the original post. Anyone know what the deal on that Guardian Goddess is? Was she mocking or cursing or joking? Perhaps warning or commanding? Anyone run into her before on a sub-breakthrough dose? She's something like this:

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SWIM know's Strassman recs .2 to .4 mg/kg. .2 may be 'moderate' but was sub-breakthrough. How much to bump it up? .25, .3?

Thanks.
 
a1pha said:
Seraph said:
Go you, idiot. You're the kind of person who deserves something bad to happen to you out of your own complete lack of research, 'I know fuck-all about DMT so instead of researching it so I know more about how I should use it I think I'll just inject some freebase, yeah, that sounds like fun.' If people like you are the future Izzy then God help us all.
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17:54:55 ‹Seraph› has anyone got any harm reduction tips? I'm thinking of IV ing and I've never IV d before

18:12:50 ‹Seraph› cause i keep failing pharmahuasca and ayahuasca for some reason and I can't think of anywhere I can vaporise DMT because there are smoke alarms everywhere and smoking a glass pipe anywhere is going to attract police attention

18:16:56 ‹Czepa› where did you get it from?
18:17:05 ‹Seraph› get what from?
18:17:10 ‹Czepa› dmt
18:17:19 ‹Seraph› mimosa extraction
18:17:29 ‹Czepa› you said you failed all your attempts?
18:17:46 ‹Seraph› I did one ages ago that I achieved
18:18:20 ‹Seraph› I failed all my recent attempts because I've been stirring it a saucepan as opposed to shaking it about
18:19:32 ‹Seraph› will dmt vopur set of a smoke alarm?

18:22:52 ‹Seraph› they do Czepa, and a lockable toilet in each dorm
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Asking questions is research, trying to dissolve freebase DMT in water so that you can inject it and then hoping it is going to be okay despite no purification is stupid. Also Izzy, you claimed that you had LAB GRADE DMT, do you even know what a lab is?
 
Seraph - Cut the attitude.


Izzy - This seems to be your first post at the DMT-Nexus. Please understand many of us here strive for harm reduction and without some background/understanding of your goals/intentions you will find people hesitant to give you answers regarding IV/IM.

Strassman clearly provides appropriate doses in his Dose-Response study. I suggest you read it.
-a1pha
 

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Lets stay on topic instead of having a bitch. Please... for the love of our own forum conduct your selves properly.
There is no possible case on the history of this forum where being a prick to each other is justified.

Now...
People are concerned about this Izzy because there is risk associated with both IM & IV.
Risk that can be easily avoided by simply vaporizing the DMT. This is not difficult if you read up on technique, pipes (GVG) and changa preperation.

I understand there may be a desire to share the knowledge for harm reduction. So lets try to reduce harm by explaining the above.

Some reading material: Photos | IV-Therapy.net

Some members may feel that you were taking risks by using DMT IV because it would be a rare thing indeed to have access to pharmaceutical grade DMT from Sigma or the like... i must mirror this concern.

I cannot see where this thread may go.

Some information on IV filtering:

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I believe filters can be bought online in various places.
 
Seraph, this kind of posting is completely out of line with the Nexus attitude. Please consider how you write here. Even if you strongly disagree with what someone said, you still have to say it respectfully. How you write not only will serve to degenerate the general atmosphere but it also most certainly will not make someone else learn because the negative agressive tone will very likely create a barrier in the listener. There are better ways to show when someone can learn something.
 
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