1st Extraction Going Waste (Update : Success)

[HyperConscience]

Hi! I'll straight away highlight the tek i used and hopefully getting relevant answers from Nexus:

Tek Used : A/B

1. Fine Shredded 70gm MHRB, around 700ml water & 150ml White Vinegar (PH 3-4) mixed together and simmer at low heat for 2 hrs.

2. Added around 50gm Lye in the MHRB mix (Not sure about specific quantity of Lye used, but made sure solution turns blackish).

3. Solution sit for half an hour and then added warm Naphtha (Procured Naphtha from a friend at reputed Petroleum company. This very batch was export quality Naphtha. Evap without stains).

4. After around 4 hours, removed Naphtha, let it evap to around 1/3rd the quantity and freeze precipitate for around 7 hrs. (Naphtha turned very cloudy once i took it out to check)

5. No precipitation, only oily residues.

6. Second attempt by uplifting amount of Lye in the solution, added warm Naphtha and then shake the container for 12-13 times over course of 30 hrs, and also putting jar in warm water for around 1 hr)

7. Removed Naphtha, evap to around 1/4 (Basically evap the maximum i could without letting it all evap)

8. 12 hrs of freezing got me a yellowish green sticky goey substance. could see very few crystals which one could easily count.

9. Just to check what it is (i know green is a no go), vaporized it and it produced grey black oily boiling substance, which smelled more like Naphtha.

10. Bought PH paper, apparently PH wasn't sufficient; around 8 as per paper, solution is almost black though (I bet i added atleast 50gm of Lye. But Lye would raise temperature very slowly)

So here are my questions. I have read most of the posts in forum but unable to resolve this prob, bothering you kind ones for a fix in my procedure.

Q1. Does NaOH quality matters, in light of what i experienced in my procedure? I mean NaOH i had wouldn't dissolve in water at room temperature. It only started dissolving once i warmed the water.

Q2. Naphtha evaporating clean, and when put in a glass is as clear as water. Is it still possible its not the right Naphtha?

Q3. Naphtha after decanting gives a greenish shade. Why would crystal clear naphtha turn light green? Plant oils? PH of Lye solution or any other problem?


Q4. Lye/MHRB/Water solution still with me, tried 3 pulls with zero results so far! Should i discard and start again; amending mistakes i feel i did and also the things you guys point out.

Thank you all for patient reading. Where i live, I'm sure no one has every tried extraction, so i cannot turn to anyone. I mean zero information in a radius of 2000km (2000 is a very conservative figure )

Sourced a new Naphtha batch today. The vender says its 99.5% Naphtha, but no data is available. Sourced Xylene just to have alternative solvents at hand. Tried fetching Bestine (Heptane) & VM&P Naphtha but no one has even heard the name here, even the chem shops!

180-190gm MHRB still with me. Awaiting kind response.

Kind Regards
Swims Brother's Friend's Class fellow !

 

[HyperConscience]

A minor clarification:
The decanted Naphtha pic attached at the bottom is from 1st pull. No yield despite freezing for sufficient time. Only ice that just melted later, Though i could see very condensed white cloud but trust me nothing at all precipitated. Later pulls turned Naphtha to light to moderate green color as identified in my post.

 

[metta-morpheus]

A few points-

1) afaik, the lye should dissolve at room temp no problem. It does for me.
2) if your ph strips are even close to right, your ph is way to low. You want closer to 13. Bring the ph up with more lye. Also try adding some NON iodized salt to the soup. Helps polarity.
3) your first pull it sounds like no agitation once Naptha was added. Try gently “ loving” your jar by putting on a movie or something that will take your attention for a bit, while you rock the jar back and forth or roll it on the carpet to keep a constant movement between the liquids.
4) delete question 4, as it violates the sourcing policy

 

[HyperConscience]

A few points-

1) afaik, the lye should dissolve at room temp no problem. It does for me.
2) if your ph strips are even close to right, your ph is way to low. You want closer to 13. Bring the ph up with more lye. Also try adding some NON iodized salt to the soup. Helps polarity.
3) your first pull it sounds like no agitation once Naptha was added. Try gently “ loving” your jar by putting on a movie or something that will take your attention for a bit, while you rock the jar back and forth or roll it on the carpet to keep a constant movement between the liquids.
4) delete question 4, as it violates the sourcing policy

1. Lye that i got is stubborn at room temperature
2. I wouldn't be so sure of PH strips since Lye solution is way too thick and wouldn't absorb in paper properly: Resulting in two different colors I'm trusting color of the solution itself which is almost black, also knowing that i put in way too much lye already! 50gm is a very conservative figure!
3. Yup, little agitation in first pull, attempting another pull with a different naphtha sourced recently, hoping it to bring a happy change!
4. Q4 deleted, thank you for letting know

And thank you please

 

[HyperConscience]

Latest Pull, Warm Naphta over warn Lye/MHRB, let is there for 1 hr, gentle shaking in between. This is decanted Naphtha.. Lets see what precipitates out of it!!

 

[MatLag]

Don't you made the same mistake I did back in the days for my first extraction: I used sodium carbonate instead sodium hydroxide (a bit dumb I know, but in french the common name for sodium carbonate and sodium hydroxide are almost even)?
It seems really unlikely that you stand at PH 8 after adding 100g of Lye in 700ml of solution...
However, your last pull looks well saturated... Wait and see!

 

[HyperConscience]

Don't you made the same mistake I did back in the days for my first extraction: I used sodium carbonate instead sodium hydroxide (a bit dumb I know, but in french the common name for sodium carbonate and sodium hydroxide are almost even)?
It seems really unlikely that you stand at PH 8 after adding 100g of Lye in 700ml of solution...
However, your last pull looks well saturated... Wait and see!

I don't think the problem is lye, i just noticed my Lye/MHRB mix is way too thick! I wasn't following procedures to the book and so this mix is lumpy thick! I think that should essentially restrict movement of Molecules as well as Naphtha touching Lye/MHRB mix properly!

 

[MatLag]

With the same amount of lye (100g Lye/700ml water), I reach PH 13... I really doubt that the PH paper would fool you, even if your soup is very thick.

 

[HyperConscience]

With the same amount of lye (100g Lye/700ml water), I reach PH 13... So there is something wrong with your base, as PH 8 is the usual tap water PH

Redid extraction with 50g MHRB using Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek.. Following every thing word by word, calculated. On 4rth pull right now. What I'm worried now is color of decanted Naphtha is same as in my failed attempts. Lets see what i get in freeze precipitation

 

[HyperConscience]

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[MatLag]

Gosh... I'm no expert but here's what I'd do if I were in your situation:
- Slowly add 50g of Lye to 100ml of water (make sure it's NaOH, it should melt with water at room temp)
- Add to the MHRB solution, check the PH, it has to be 13. If not add more NaOH solution till you reach PH 13
- Shake and wait a bit. Pull again with naphtha and there's no reason to fail
If the PH of your solution is still 8, there's no chance that you get any DMT from your pulls... And the fact that you wrote Lye that you got is stubborn at room temperature made me think there's a problem with it: NaOH will 100% dissolve in water, as there is a huge exothermic reaction room temperature is fine, some even tell that you should cool the beaker during this reaction (I don't do it personnaly, I just add by 25g and wait them to dissolve. Keep in mind that lye can make you blind so wear glasses).
Hang in there, I'm sure you'll get some nice crystals eventually !

 

[HyperConscience]

So finally successful on my first extraction! I'm so happy right now that I'll mention details a little later today or tomorrow may be

 

[HyperConscience]

Gosh... I'm no expert but here's what I'd do if I were in your situation:
- Slowly add 50g of Lye to 100ml of water (make sure it's NaOH, it should melt with water at room temp)
- Add to the MHRB solution, check the PH, it has to be 13. If not add more NaOH solution till you reach PH 13
- Shake and wait a bit. Pull again with naphtha and there's no reason to fail
If the PH of your solution is still 8, there's no chance that you get any DMT from your pulls... And the fact that you wrote Lye that you got is stubborn at room temperature made me think there's a problem with it: NaOH will 100% dissolve in water, as there is a huge exothermic reaction room temperature is fine, some even tell that you should cool the beaker during this reaction (I don't do it personnaly, I just add by 25g and wait them to dissolve. Keep in mind that lye can make you blind so wear glasses).
Hang in there, I'm sure you'll get some nice crystals eventually !

Thanks for the advice bro, i did the same, PH went 13, but yield only came from 1st two pulls. As far as lye is concerned, it was still a bit stubborn to dissolve at room temperature, i had to wait for it to dissolve and raise temp, but eventually it did and results are in previous post

 

[MatLag]

Nice crystals my friend!! I'm really happy for you, I remember my first extraction and how happy I was!
I wish you a wonderful journey into DMT

 

[HyperConscience]

Nice crystals my friend!! I'm really happy for you, I remember my first extraction and how happy I was!
I wish you a wonderful journey into DMT

Had my first journey today, and it was beyond any sane imagination!!

 

[metta-morpheus]

It has a tendency to do that!

Welcome to the cool side of the pillow

 

[HyperConscience]

It has a tendency to do that!

Welcome to the cool side of the pillow

Btw it was part cool/ mind blowing and part dark/shady.. Single deep hit for max around 10-15 sec and my friend thought I'm dead! Remained stuck in a Limbo, and forgot who i am, why i was there & what I'm doing! If i hadn't read OHT Handbook by Nexus, i wouldn't have been able to enjoy my experience, so i broke away and then the amazing part started!! Well as you all know it can't be defined in words

 

[Samouzette]

Congratulations.
I'm still very curious about lye not dissolving properly though? It should dissolve really easily with minimum stirring, even in cold water(and the glass should become too hot to handle fairly fast as well)

 

[HyperConscience]

Congratulations.
I'm still very curious about lye not dissolving properly though? It should dissolve really easily with minimum stirring, even in cold water(and the glass should become too hot to handle fairly fast as well)

I checked with vender, he says the lye that readily dissolves in water is lab grade and expensive. That could be a reason, I'll go for lab grade next time and see the results, however I'm already getting satisfactory results