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greenbean

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So I can’t yet post in the extractions forum. I did my first extraction with about 1% yield. I used a variation of Noman tek as it was what came up in a search and seemed simple enough. I used 100g of mhrb divided into 4 mason jars. Each jar I mixed about 400ml water with 25g lye before adding the 25g powdered bark. This sat for over an hour before beginning extraction. Before extraction I placed the jars in hot water bath which sat on top of a crockpot to try to maintain some temp. I added about 25ml naphtha to each jar eyeballed since my measuring cup starts at 50ml. I gently tumbled each jar and allowed to separate at least 3 times before pulling and combining each jars pull into small Pyrex container. I did this 2 more times and placed my 3 separate containers with lids into freezer. I added more naphtha to the mason jars, mixed and allowed to sit for a couple days at room temperature. I later pulled with no yield.

After freezing overnight well over 12 hours I poured the naphtha off through coffee filters and used a silicone spatula to scrape crystals into filter to dry. I don’t have the numbers with me but from memory I got nearly 500mg yield from first pull, 250mg 2nd and 150mg 3rd. I also scraped each container as best I could and got maybe another 100mg. The crystal scraped with the silicone spatula was a nice whitish color and fluffy after drying. The remains scraped from the containers with a razor was more of a yellow/tan, I kept this separate. I have not done a re-x and not sure if I should except maybe on the yellow batch.

I feel like 1% is a bit on the low side especially with no re-x but since this is my first extraction I wasn’t sure. I feel there may be another half gram at least that can be extracted. Can anyone offer advice? I kept the bark and naphtha from pulls. I’m thinking maybe I should do an evap of the old naphtha and maybe another heated pull from the bark solution. Maybe add more lye first?

Any help would be appreciated!
 
Do you still have the base soup? You might have a bit more to pull from it. The bark carries on breaking down for several days, and the full separation of the naphtha from the bark sludge can also take a while.
Adding a bit of salt to the extraction also helps push things into the non-polar phase.

You can back-salt any remnants from your naphtha using vinegar, then base that again as a sodium carbonate paste for another tiny NPS pull. If your freezer is any good, you really won't get much.

Good that you asked yourself, "Where are the goods?" :thumb_up:

OTOH, 1% is a perfectly respectable amount, it could be due to the bark quality entirely.
 
Yes I have the base soup. I’m not sure I fully understand the additional steps you mentioned. Can you elaborate or link to help me understand? Also do you think I should evap before freeze? I have seen that recommendation before but it was not suggested in the guide I followed.

Thanks for the help!
 
Pull the soup again and stick that naphtha in the freezer to see what shows up.

You can try the back salting step to see what remains in the naphtha after freezing:

Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

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This yields DMT acetate (assuming there's any DMT present). Evaporate this down to a goo and mix it with a little sodium carbonate and water. Pull the freebase DMT with a solvent of your choice (but no limonene or xylene); recover the DMT by freeze precipitation if you used naphtha, or evaporation of the solvent, if you used an alcohol or acetone.

This is also a way of concentrating the DMT freebase in solution so that evaporation (of naphtha) is unnecessary.
 
greenbean said:
Got it. I will have to find some sodium carbonate. Thanks again!
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You can make food grade sodium carbonate by heating sodium bicarbonate (baking soda - NOT baking powder) in a clean, stainless steel pan until it stops 'levitating'.
 
So I’d like to try q21q21 tek 1 to extract jimjam. Am I able to follow steps on my exhausted soup? I wasn’t sure if steps were same since I used stb noman tek. Should I just use fresh bark and if so is it best to separate the dmt with naphtha or leave it all in the jimjam?
 
greenbean said:
So I’d like to try q21q21 tek 1 to extract jimjam. Am I able to follow steps on my exhausted soup? I wasn’t sure if steps were same since I used stb noman tek. Should I just use fresh bark and if so is it best to separate the dmt with naphtha or leave it all in the jimjam?
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How are you planning to go from basic soup to drytek? Or are you just looking at using an alternative solvent? In which case, referring to the q21q21 tek is wide of the mark.

You could try pulling your spent soup with limonene, toluene or xylene to see if there's anything left. It's entirely your choice. I fail to see the point of mixing a load of lime into it first. And pre-evaporating such a basic solution - to reduce the amount of water in the spent soup - would be something of a nightmare. Unless your soup is already thick, I'd advise against trying to convert it to a drytek.

And now for a complete tangent: have you noticed that the keys "q21" on a keyboard are in a triangle at the top left of a keyboard, pointing at the escape key?
 
downwardsfromzero said:
greenbean said:
So I’d like to try q21q21 tek 1 to extract jimjam. Am I able to follow steps on my exhausted soup? I wasn’t sure if steps were same since I used stb noman tek. Should I just use fresh bark and if so is it best to separate the dmt with naphtha or leave it all in the jimjam?
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How are you planning to go from basic soup to drytek? Or are you just looking at using an alternative solvent? In which case, referring to the q21q21 tek is wide of the mark.

You could try pulling your spent soup with limonene, toluene or xylene to see if there's anything left. It's entirely your choice. I fail to see the point of mixing a load of lime into it first. And pre-evaporating such a basic solution - to reduce the amount of water in the spent soup - would be something of a nightmare. Unless your soup is already thick, I'd advise against trying to convert it to a drytek.

And now for a complete tangent: have you noticed that the keys "q21" on a keyboard are in a triangle at the top left of a keyboard, pointing at the escape key?
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I have limonene coming I just wasn’t sure if I can just use it on my spent soup as is or if I need to do any other steps first. Do I need to let the remaining naphtha evaporate off first? Forgive my ignorance. I have a lot to learn.

I had not noticed the q21 triangle but I’ve been typing from my phone.
 
You won't need to evaporate the naphtha unless, perhaps, you're planning to fiddle around with FASA. Even then, not really.

With limonene your product will have a gacky citrus taste that will take a considerable amount of cleaning up to remove entirely. Just so you know.

I had not noticed the q21 triangle but I’ve been typing from my phone.
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Indeed, this will not apply to phones.
 
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