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2CP & 4-AcO-DMT

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RastaNation

RastaNation

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I'm interested to know what the trip is like on these. I've heard the visuals of 2CP are much more intense than 2CE - and I've also heard people relate 4-AcO-DMT to that of a mushroom trip. I know it's sometimes hard to describe a trip, but if someone could at last attempt it?
Also - anyone that always throws up on 2CE - does this happen to you on these two?
I notice that whenever I do 2CE - I get such an upset stomach that it almost ruins the first 30-60 minutes of the trip - I can deal with the intense feeling, but the nausea kills me and sometimes gives me a massive headache.
Thanks,
Rasta
 
From what Ive read/heard 2c-p is the strongest out of the 2c's. Swim cant comment on the visuals or anything. 2c-e is very strong as well, but to swim it just felt dry, and kinda empty. It induced some swirling visuals, but no real introspection into anything worthwhile.

Never had any stomach issues with 2c-e, but swim did with 2c-t-2. Swim would suggest a little MJ when you start to feel the nausea. Its only during the come up and fades fast.

As for the 4-aco-dmt, swim has only tested up to 20mg, and it wasn't close to a mushroom trip imo. A mushroom trip should give you a decent mind fuck, and the Psilacetin didnt at all. It produced a warm tryptamine feeling in the body, also made swim yawn a bunch like mushrooms. Colors were brighter and warmer, but no patterning or deep introspection.

Be careful with these man, make sure you have a decent mg scale and do 1-2mg allergy tests before diving into a full dose. Hope that helped.
 
Helped a bit - I wish I could use some MJ on the come up - but due to past mistakes - I can't until 2012.
I always do a 1-2mg allergy test- though I've read the stomach issues aren't allergy related - just hit or miss with different people based on the chem.
 
you could always go the synthetic cannabinoid route. which your probably aware of. Though swim doesnt really like at all compared to the real thing. Swim suggested the allergy test, not related to the stomach issue, but due to people dying from taking mislabeled Rc's.
 
imho 4-aco-dmt is a poor substitute for 4-ho-dmt
i did like 4-aco-dipt however, it is shorter acting and milder all the way around than mushies imo
 
A friend of mine recently had his single most profound experience with 4-AcO-DMT, and had what I would call a classical mystical experience in a very DMT-ish manner. Or at least he came fucking close and was deeply shook by the experience, and cried and laughed alltogether all the way down from it and even after he was down. I wouldn't underestimate this substance, but I would like to think that such an experience can come regardless of which psychedelic substance you use, it just pops up.
 
Hmm.. I'll definitely check them out - just wanted to see if there were any opinions on them. Thanks everyone.
 
In my experience and that of several friends 4-AcO-DMT and mushrooms are very similar.
In fact I doubt most people could distinguish them blind. This compound was confirmed by mass spectrometry.

I feel that mushrooms definitely have a distinct intoxication being more similar to DMT than other hallucinogens. The effects tend to come in waves. However even with a single compound one can have quite distinct experiences on different occasions so I think it is difficult to compare different chemicals without having extensive experience with them or related compounds. Nevertheless I have heard many say 4-AcO-DMT is like mushrooms and I agree.

Also check out the vaults of erowid and bluelight for more information.

2C-P looks fascinating but is one I have not tried but look forward to. Again check out bluelight for discusion of its effects.
 
Citta said:
A friend of mine recently had his single most profound experience with 4-AcO-DMT, and had what I would call a classical mystical experience in a very DMT-ish manner. Or at least he came fucking close and was deeply shook by the experience, and cried and laughed alltogether all the way down from it and even after he was down. I wouldn't underestimate this substance, but I would like to think that such an experience can come regardless of which psychedelic substance you use, it just pops up.
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what kind of dose did you take?
 
Yeah I'll give it a go!

SWIM took 4-Aco-DMT, He says it was 15mg, it was from a FOAF so it may not be exactly 15 mg.

First things first this trip although stunningly beautiful and full of overlapping truths, higher truth, lower truth, simultaneous exploration of what it is to be a family, some personal work done, but I found myself searching for meaning in the middle of the trip. Why had I taken this substance? because I was bored? oh great... cue a session searching for the meaning of it.

The visuals, in open-eye'd moments, were stunningly simmelar to some visions i've had from DMT, and definately shared some of the character of the mollecule. It also felt pretty simmelar to psilocybin, but it was a great convenicence not to have to choke down any icky mushrooms.

Subjectively, I entered a land full of vast areas of colour: tribal, held together like ecological areas of interlocking interplaying interconnected energies. I had stunningly clear visions of for example, a huge elephant, fitting in perfect harmony on its side and upside down with other creatures of the savannah. I liked it how I saw that there was no space, no time, everything existed with all the parts in harmony. I think i stumbled upon a rediculous premise: how people can make money living out of writing music when no one pays for it. but it was presented to me in a way involving a rediculous 'butterfly effect' type setup: somone had a tiny end and could cuase massive change, and somone else had a huge end which they had to hold still for a bit. I was standing outside a club I used to worship and view as the best thing since sliced bread, and was re-living a conversation I had very very early on in my journey as a musician, with a guy who at the time, I saw as having 'made it'. He still writes fantastic tunes, btw.

I saw multidimensions of truth, some things overlapping others and the real, TRUEST truth, was more complex than we would at first imagine. In space and time there are truths while higher and while lower, and the lower seems to sneak underneath the higher...
Although quite emotional, and quite challenging trip, I found this a great thing to do on a day off.
 
Citta said:
Seven said:
what kind of dose did you take?
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My friend took about 25mg orally.
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swim is wondering if he has an impure batch. 20mg was a decent trip, but pretty devoid of any spiritual breakthroughs or much mental work at all. No oev or cev's either just some brightening of colors.

Was your friends batch fumarate? Was it white or tan? Thinking about bumping it up to either 25 or 30 next time. Is there a steep dose/response curve with this?
 
just wanted to note on 2c-p it is oft considered the most intense of the 2c's, I've heard it described as 2c-i on steroids. The dose range is minuscule you really need a good scale with this one, 2-4 mg can be the difference between an amazing time and a nasty overdose. Be safe and enjoy :)
 
I generally start fairly low anyway - glad to hear a good trip report from the 4-aco
I've heard incredible things about 2cp and terrifying things - though I'm ready to give it a try, being that I've heard both sides to any and all chems/entheogens. My scale is extremely responsive - sometimes is a bit of a pain, actually.

Thanks for the replies :)
 
I have some 4-aco-dmt fumarate and also some 4-ho-met fumarate.

With the 4-aco-dmt I haven't gone past 20mg yet but looking forward to increase since 20mg is
to weak.
It gave made no cev's but everything moved with open eyes, stronger colors etc.
Very easy "come up" and little to no stomach problems reported from me and my friends.
I also didn't feel "run over" the next day like I can do after a night of
liberty caps.

4-ho-met is very nice. Have taken 18mg in social settings at the beach and at a dance party.
Not much going on in the head just slight visuals like tracers, enhanced colors and
some morphing.
Psychedelics in general make me stone silent and introspective but with 4-ho-met
conversation wasn't an issue.

Both are very similar to cubensis but I find the 4-aco-dmt more interesting so far, more mental effetcs.
...wish they were more like liberty caps though:cry: ...
 
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