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Or look for limonene go that way and do a conversion with water. I strongly recommend this route, for safety reasons.
The bonus is that you can do one extraction and have both DMT-fumarate and freebase, full range spectrum at that.
Its a whole heap more pleasant to work with limonene then it is nasty naptha!
Distilling solvents can be dangerous. I cant recommend it to anyone because of the risks.
Tho there are people out there that will and do distill solvents often, common sense says to avoid doing so if possible.
The bonus is that you can do one extraction and have both DMT-fumarate and freebase, full range spectrum at that.
Its a whole heap more pleasant to work with limonene then it is nasty naptha!
Distilling solvents can be dangerous. I cant recommend it to anyone because of the risks.
Tho there are people out there that will and do distill solvents often, common sense says to avoid doing so if possible.
xtechre said:
Reminds me of the "Fear of lye" thread.
Of course you have to do your homework. But once you did that it is no more dangerous than lots of other things you routinely do in your life.
There is enormous amount of information on the Internet: textbooks, video courses, practical advices, etc. Zubrick's The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual comes to mind.
Once you master this simple tek you're set for life. You would not have to rely on your supplier's word. Besides distilling your solvents is environment-friendly.
Do not start with low boiling, flammable, extremely volatile solvents like diethyl ether, pentane or cyclopentane and you will be fine. Try something simple and relatively forgiving like ethanol. Back in the Prohibition days lots of people did it with great success :lol:
wash naphtha with acetone? the acetone will mix with the naphtha, so that doesnt make sense.
and why do you "have to make an extraction soon"? that also sounds weird, you dont have to anything, and extracting with hurry is recipe for disaster.
Why dont you look at the suppliers section in the forum for naphtha sources in UK?
And how can you know for sure it was the naphtha that made you puke?
Trickster.. while I think distilling is great for some people and its obvious you think its a good technique and appreciate it, I also think you should notice you are not just talking in a hypothetical situation or on a monologue but are actually recommending this process to a very specific person, and therefore having a responsibility in what you recommend. IMO Ash needs to read more and get better hang of some basic chemistry before considering such things as distilling flammable solvents (no offense of course, Ash).
and why do you "have to make an extraction soon"? that also sounds weird, you dont have to anything, and extracting with hurry is recipe for disaster.
Why dont you look at the suppliers section in the forum for naphtha sources in UK?
And how can you know for sure it was the naphtha that made you puke?
Trickster.. while I think distilling is great for some people and its obvious you think its a good technique and appreciate it, I also think you should notice you are not just talking in a hypothetical situation or on a monologue but are actually recommending this process to a very specific person, and therefore having a responsibility in what you recommend. IMO Ash needs to read more and get better hang of some basic chemistry before considering such things as distilling flammable solvents (no offense of course, Ash).
endlessness said:
That's right. Sometimes I puke after inhaling vaporized pure white crystals.
Ronsonol is fine.
What have you heard/seen to suggest otherwise? It's designed for refillable lighters, so any impurity would lead to a build up over time and that would damage a lot of lighters. I can't see why they would make their product this way.
What have you heard/seen to suggest otherwise? It's designed for refillable lighters, so any impurity would lead to a build up over time and that would damage a lot of lighters. I can't see why they would make their product this way.
gammagore said:Trickster said:endlessness said:
That's right. Sometimes I puke after inhaling vaporized pure white crystals.
gotta love that puke:d
Yeah! I keep it for future extractions.
lonewolf123
Rising Star
Hey guys, so swim did an extract with sunnyside vmp naptha (usually uses bestine), and is pretty sure theres some nasty chems in this naptha... the crystals are pretty much crystally white so cant imagine what else would have made him puke..... would the sodium carbonate wash Vovin's tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki remove any impurities or was this batch just not meant to be?? Also how much sodium carbonate should be used?
I will not hurt to try it out. In truth it depends entirely on what the impurities are in your spice. The reason that ronsol is not recommended is that it contains lubricants for the lighter and as such is considered dirty as these will be concentrated when evapped. I am not sure that the wash will get rid of these as they are designed to be soluble in naptha and therefore will not so readily fall out of the solution. I'm not the best chemist here though so maybe someone else can shed more light on this. as far as how much literally a pinch. Take 2 fingers pinch a bit between them and that's a pinch. It's been years since I messed with chemistry so I am not by any means the most qualified to advise on these things.
lonewolf123
Rising Star
Hmmmm K, thanks vovin.... anyone know if its possible to remove impurities caused by dirty naptha?
Always consult MSDS before using a solvent:
Anyway according to this MSDA this material is just normal naptha. Normal naptha can make one vomit and make one very sick.
Its possible your crystals have trapped the naptha and its being released when you break them. Try crushing some crystals and see if they smell like naptha.
If you want to remove trace naptha you can always redissolve your crystals in a safer solvnent like pure ethanol and reevaporate it. They may lose their fluffy texture but its better then inhaling toxic crap and puking.
Anyway according to this MSDA this material is just normal naptha. Normal naptha can make one vomit and make one very sick.
Its possible your crystals have trapped the naptha and its being released when you break them. Try crushing some crystals and see if they smell like naptha.
If you want to remove trace naptha you can always redissolve your crystals in a safer solvnent like pure ethanol and reevaporate it. They may lose their fluffy texture but its better then inhaling toxic crap and puking.
Trickster said:
professional chemists use at least ACS-grade chemicals, no point in distilling those.
as for this dirty naptha business... naptha has paraffinic, napthenic, and some have aromatic compounds, which have higher boiling points. recrystallization with bestine may separate your product from the other mess.
lonewolf123
Rising Star
Thanks so much for the replies guys..... So if I went the ethanol route, I know you said pure ethanol, but would everclear work? Its 95.6% ethanol. And for using either the bestine or ethanol, would the impurities just crash out and i could just decant the ethanol/bestine and freeze precip? Thanks again guys!!!!
lonewolf123 said:
not sure what you're asking here, but everclear is suitable for extraction. absolute ethanol isn't practical/cost-effective for extraction anyway, it's typically reserved for synthesis.
alcoholic extractions are the quick'n'dirty route, acid-base extractions exclude a lot of the impurities that an alcoholic extraction would pull (i.e. plant carbohydrates).
as for using a recrystallization solvent for freeze precip, pick a nonpolar like bestine. it will crash out the alkaloids.
benz hes asking about using ethanol to clean up dirty crystals. i assume his material is loaded with residual solvent. ethanol sometimes helps with clean up.
lonewolf if you use impure ethanol you will have water and thus it will be hard to evaporate. if you can get cleaner solvent like hexane or heptane that would also work. its up to you.
lonewolf if you use impure ethanol you will have water and thus it will be hard to evaporate. if you can get cleaner solvent like hexane or heptane that would also work. its up to you.
lonewolf123
Rising Star
Tonight I should be able to give the re-x a go and see the answer for myself, but im curious, the impurities in the naptha arent soluble in heptane?
Yea, i was asking about cleaning up the crystals with ethanol and seeing if everclear was good enough, but I have more than enough heptane and will just use that (you guys are saying heptane is better than ethanol anyway, in regards to cleaning the spice, right?)
Yea, i was asking about cleaning up the crystals with ethanol and seeing if everclear was good enough, but I have more than enough heptane and will just use that (you guys are saying heptane is better than ethanol anyway, in regards to cleaning the spice, right?)