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A blog post questioning recent psilocybin studies

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Two recent studies on the efficacy of psilocybin to treat depression and anxiety in cancer patients were recently published, to quite a bit of positive and congratulatory press.(pdfs are linked within the blog post linked below) I am of course a promotor of the therapeutic benefits of psychedelics for a variety of disorders, but have been concerned over some of the issues of accessibility and ki underlying legality that are addressed in the blog post linked here.

I took a look at a lot of the press articles on these studies and the glanced over the papers themselves prior to setting this blog, and was struck by the way they were constructed. It reflects some of my thinking the matter, and is actually refreshing to see.

Thoughts?

the post on the studies here

From the blog post:
Undoubtedly, ingesting psilocybin in a setting in which expectations are well structured can be a positive experience. I can say that from experience. Yet it is criminalized in the United States to sell, purchase, or ingest psilocybin. The study seems clearly aimed at creating a loophole for cancer patients who engaged psychiatrists. What’s wrong with that? What’s wrong with anybody being able to obtain psilocybin of assured purity and consume it in a pleasant safe environment with a knowledgeable guide whom they trust?

Suppose the cancer patient was a skeptic like myself and did not want to submit to the mumble jumble psychotherapy offered in this trial. Particularly if they were experienced taking psychedelics, as almost half of the patients were in the study, shouldn’t they be able to go to a primary care physician and get a prescription for psilocybin of known doses and purity, and go home and take it with a trusted friend or two? What if someone did not have cancer, but like many patients in primary care waiting rooms, had distress elevated to the degree that participants in the study did. Should they be allowed to self-administer psilocybin?

It’s a wise idea to take psilocybin with a knowledgeable friend in a context conducive to a good experience. Why should somebody have to involve a psychiatrist? People experience was psilocybin are aware in someone else’s experience is becoming anxiety provoking, and can usually appropriately distract them away and into a more pleasant experience.

It’s a wise idea not to go scuba diving alone, but to be accompanied by a knowledgeable friend. Should scuba divers also be required to take their psychiatrists along?

Okay, you as a reader may personally have no interest in taking psilocybin out of the presence of a psychiatrist anymore than having any interest in scuba diving, with or without a psychiatrist. You may even object to people doing so and considerate it foolish. But should the people, whether suffering from cancer or not, taking psilocybin at home with friends be subject to steep fines and jail time

We will next discuss the other study of psilocybin adm
 
totally

It's a comon pattern in history; this is why the Nexus is on an important mission: to keep psychedelic use in hands of the users, and not a tool of power.

It makes me think of a psychedelic conference i was in ashland:
A professor relates Shiva with some psilocybes mushrooms (well documented); someone asked at the end : why then, if shiva is a mushroom, isn't this explicit in any document?
The professor replied : because the use was kept under control of the higher cast, not to be revealed to the whole people.

Irony, Nearly all the intervenent of the conference refered only to the use of psychedelics inside "frames" : desintoc center, scientific studies, psychiatry. Same Same...?

Meanwhile 99% of psychedeloic are taken "freestyle" without any authority figure. And this is an important shift. We gettin rid of the shaman-hierarchic-figure (because importing shaman from amazons is not a local-sustainable approach anyway)
 
The author does make some valid criticisms of these studies, however he also displays moar than little personal bias, what with mumble jumbling the entire field of psychotherapy.

What he says regarding patient selection and misrepresenting of severity of symptoms/other studies is completely valid, from what I can tell without taking the time to read those other studies in their entirety. However, I'm not on board with him trying to poo-poo the researchers for taking care to design an appropriate set and setting, any psychedelic user knows this is vital to the experience. Putting aside whatever personal biases one may have about the use of Tibetan artwork, Buddhas, and playlists, the intention to create an appropriate safe and beautiful environment for the sessions is to be commended.

He also tries to criticize the researchers for using a randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled, methodology. Sure it's pretty easy to tell psilocybin from a placebo, but that in no way invalidates this methodology. I'm curious as to what methodology he would propose be used instead.

The real agenda is hinted at in the beginning with the co-opting death comment, and revealed fully at the end in the section quoted in the OP. The author appears to have some sort of personal grudge against psychiatry and is airing it out on his blog in the guise of a critique of these psilocybin studies. I actually do agree with him that death/spirituality/mortality isn't really in the realm of psychiatry and I'm in agreement that responsible adults should be able to utilize psilocybin outside of a therapeutic/clinical context. While some of the critiques are valid and the author does make some good points that I ultimately agree with, his presentation and inherent biases weaken his case significantly.

This really gives way to a larger discussion though, and that is, how will we address the re-integration of psychedelics back into academia and the broader cultural dialogue as we move toward their impending legalization?

In the aftermath of World War II, LSD took the psychiatric world by storm. Researchers and therapists all over the globe were investigating it and using it in their practices (and eating it themselves and sharing it with their friends at dinner parties). Throughout the 1950's and early 1960's, thousands and thousands of people around the world took LSD in a clinical context as a part of psycho-therapeutic treatment. It was quite hip to undergo this type of therapy amongst the movers and shakers of the day. Then it escaped the clinic (and the socialite dinner parties) and you all know the story from there, Tim Leary, Furthur, a few hundred million stolen faces and half a century of repressive prohibition.

Realistically, with the recent renaissance in psychedelic research and the strong forward push toward legalized psychedelic therapy, we are simply picking up where we left off. 50 years later we finally put the mind tools back in the hands of the mind researchers. Despite misgivings about institutional control of psychedelics (we'll address this in a moment), this is a good thing! We are finally opening up the "behavioral sciences" to the black box of the mind, and taking the first steps to recover from the crippling blow 5 decades of prohibition of these substances has taken on the study of the psyche.

Now onto the big secret, and the reason why anxiety about institutional control of psychedelics is nonsensical. In the early 1960's if you wanted to try psilocybin, you either went to Huatla or scored some of Sandoz little pink pills through your doctor or your dealer. Now there are hundreds of suppliers of spores and mycology supplies, thousands of grow teks, logs, and methods, and millions of photos and pages assisting with wild mushroom identification documented online. The psychiatrist down at the local MAPS clinic doing psychotherapy with synthetic psilocybin in no way whatsoever effects the ability of a person to access psilocybin in the 21st century.

Of course, there is the issue that the person picking out in the pasture or out of a plastic tub faces possible legal consequences that the therapist does not. That is a personal liberty issue for social and political action however, well aside from medical and scientific pursuits, which IMO we should also be lending our support to as well. With time and research, and appropriate action/activism, as the social climate changes, we will get entheogenic liberty. Remember that cannabis went medical before it went recreational. Let's welcome all avenues that move us forward in such backward thinking times. :thumb_up:
 
While I won't disagree with any of the valid observations presented by, dreamer042, my personal experience with the deeper states of entheogen induced "psychosis" informs me as to the absolutely feral nature of profound psychedelia.

Surely "authorized" research and liberalization of access to these catalysts is a net positive for those individuals inclined toward learning from the mystic state. The notion that "sanctioned" and "facilitated" sessions available through a state licensed "provider"(the vast majority of whom will never share the psychedelic induced ego shattering) smacks of an attempt at custodializing the screaming abyss. It can't be done.

Nick Sand speaks to this reality most elegantly: http://www.serendipity.li/dmt/sacred.pdf

Peace
 
Kind of misses the point...

These studies are done to show that psychedelics can do good. Most people are sceptical about that so by showing a valid application, they might gain more acceptance. Later on, everyone will be able to get a mushroom prescription. First steps first.

Furthermore, Scuba divers want to explore, have fun ... cancer patients want to relieve anxiety and would opt for a combination of therapy and mushrooms. A bad comparison.
 
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