A few questions for a first tek attempt...

[Rosetta_Stoned]

This is going to be my first experience attempting an extraction. I have a decent background in chemistry so a lot of the instructions and explanations I've seen pertaining to this undertaking make sense to me and I understand how and why they work. However there are a few practical issues I'm worried about.
I'm planning on using Q21Q21's tek 2 so all questions will be pertaining to that.

My first questions are about the root. From digging around recently on forums (not just this one) I've come to the conclusion that Mimosa Hostilis is now rather hard to come by so Acacia Confusa is being used. Now, I was wondering:
1. If this is true can Acacia be used in this tek (it's an A/B so it should be fine, right?)
2. What will be the difference in yield? Will I need to purchase a different amount than I would have to of M. Hostilis to obtain the same amount of spice?

My second set of questions are about removing the spice from the non polar solvent.
1. I know that a freezer is preferred but I read here that it's ok to just let the solvent evaporate off at room temperature as long as it's covered. Now, I don't need extreme purity here as I'm a new guy, so would this turn out a satisfactory product still?
2. If not and I must freeze, here's my issue: I can't have my freezer smelling like chemicals as I do not live alone and the other members of the house would probably not appreciate a freezer reeking of chemicals and would find it rather suspicious. They are not too accepting of exploration of this type. (Before you ask, yes I am over 18.) How badly does the naphtha smell, and if it would be noticeable to someone casually opening the freezer, is there a less smelly, fairly available alternative? I know the list of non polar solvents isn't long but I figured it's worth asking in case the freezer is absolutely necessary.

Thanks in advance, this site is wonderful.

Edit: thanks to everyone who has responded, THIS is why I'm waiting for a few weeks after figuring out my tek to actually started; I appreciate so much hearing new perspectives and experiences and even warnings. I want to do this right, I want this to be a good experience for me, so glad to hear all this.

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

NEW QUESTION: what smoking method would you recommend? I'm an experienced MMJ smoker and can hit a bong well, so I'm tempted to use changa (I have damiana, blue lotus, and calea Z on hand already :roll: ). But I feel like I should get the pure DMT experience first, so I'm looking at Q21Q21's mini machine. Or would one of those herbs lend itself to a more likely good trip? I have no clue, advice?

 

[3rdI]

hello Rosetta_Stoned,

if your a smoker then there is nothing more perfect than a nice bong and some infused herb/Changa.

If you want to experience pure DMT before Changa then just infuse your herb with DMT and no harmalas

I don't think that the herb you infuse will make much difference to the experience, certainly not in the beginning anyway.

infuse and puff tuff:surprised

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

changa in the bonga.

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

hello Rosetta_Stoned,

if your a smoker then there is nothing more perfect than a nice bong and some infused herb/Changa.

If you want to experience pure DMT before Changa then just infuse your herb with DMT and no harmalas

I don't think that the herb you infuse will make much difference to the experience, certainly not in the beginning anyway.

infuse and puff tuff:surprised

Thanks! I think I'm going to infuse some Damiana for my first attempt

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

So I've been doing some research on the Acacia I'm planning to use and realized I completely missed something obvious that I am quite curious about. Given that with a full spectrum extraction I'm going to be pulling both DMT and NMT at a ratio that I'm not 100% about, should I increase my dosage when it comes time for administration if I'm going for a breakthrough? I was thinking that since it's about half and half (with a little more NMT than DMT according to Wikipedia) I should about double the dosage I use, but I'm not sure. What are more traveled users' experiences with the intensity of full spectrum Acacia Confusa vs. full spectrum MHRB?

Sorry for all these questions, but I really like to know everything I can before embarking on something of this magnitude :shock:

 

[cubeananda]

IMO it does seem like a concern when using the more selective sovents such as naphtha, heptane etc.

But, because you're doing a full-spectrum extraction with limonene, i think you're looking at A. Confusa in a wrong way.

Pure DMT is quite a mystery, somehow even when smoalked on different occasions the same batch could be a little different.

The same is true when drinking green tea (or herbal teas, coffee, kava, alcohol, taking mescaline, quidding salvia... whatever it is people like to consume and feel the effects of; ) the psychotropic effects of tea can't be completely understood by science, after all.

Full-Spectrum tree metabolites of the Acacia Confusa tree are also very mysterious. I would say "smoalk moar" of it. I would say that because it is a very simple conclusion.

I understand this isn't the DMT/NMT + other A. Confusa Metabolites + Recognizing there are things we do not know Nexus, but if ACRB is some sort of replacement for MHRB you are looking at this whole thing in a wrong way.

This is just my opinion, of course.

If it is some sort of replacement for MHRB; thats fine. It's no unfortunate thing to use ACRB, but please also consider growing an active legume of your own.

 

[Entheogenerator]

So I've been doing some research on the Acacia I'm planning to use and realized I completely missed something obvious that I am quite curious about. Given that with a full spectrum extraction I'm going to be pulling both DMT and NMT at a ratio that I'm not 100% about, should I increase my dosage when it comes time for administration if I'm going for a breakthrough? I was thinking that since it's about half and half (with a little more NMT than DMT according to Wikipedia) I should about double the dosage I use, but I'm not sure. What are more traveled users' experiences with the intensity of full spectrum Acacia Confusa vs. full spectrum MHRB?

Sorry for all these questions, but I really like to know everything I can before embarking on something of this magnitude :shock:

Regardless of whether you end up with full-spectrum wax, DMT/NMT goo, or relatively pure DMT crystals, I think the safest bet is to start with a pretty low dose (like 5 mg or so) and work your way up until you find a good dose for you.

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

IMO it does seem like a concern when using the more selective sovents such as naphtha, heptane etc.

But, because you're doing a full-spectrum extraction with limonene, i think you're looking at A. Confusa in a wrong way.

Pure DMT is quite a mystery, somehow even when smoalked on different occasions the same batch could be a little different.

The same is true when drinking green tea (or herbal teas, coffee, kava, alcohol, taking mescaline, quidding salvia... whatever it is people like to consume and feel the effects of; ) the psychotropic effects of tea can't be completely understood by science, after all.

Full-Spectrum tree metabolites of the Acacia Confusa tree are also very mysterious. I would say "smoalk moar" of it. I would say that because it is a very simple conclusion.

I understand this isn't the DMT/NMT + other A. Confusa Metabolites + Recognizing there are things we do not know Nexus, but if ACRB is some sort of replacement for MHRB you are looking at this whole thing in a wrong way.

This is just my opinion, of course.

If it is some sort of replacement for MHRB; thats fine. It's no unfortunate thing to use ACRB, but please also consider growing an active legume of your own.

Regardless of whether you end up with full-spectrum wax, DMT/NMT goo, or relatively pure DMT crystals, I think the safest bet is to start with a pretty low dose (like 5 mg or so) and work your way up until you find a good dose for you.

Thank you, both of you, for making me think twice about how I was looking at it. I will do as Etheogenerator said and work my way up, and I will approach it as cubanada suggested; with ACRB not being a replacement for MHRB, but rather another amazing possible experience.

I've ordered my supplies, will update with extraction results and hopefully trip reports soon after :d

 

[Entheogenerator]

Good luck! :thumb_up:

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

Ok guys, so I'm in the final steps of my first extraction and I think I may have a problem but I'm not sure...I think I may have made a slight emulsion when I salted out the DMT from the limonene, and now I'm boiling it down. The steam smells like vinegar AND citrus...am I going to end up with issues as I try to make this into a tincture and then use?

 

[Spiritofspice]

Don't reduce it any more.
Put it into your jar/bottle and let it sit.
I wouldn't ingest it.
Post up what it looks like after everything cools down.

 

[cubeananda]

IME it is quite normal for some of the orange oils to mix into the vinegar. IME During the reduction, at a certain point the limonene evaps away and you're left with just acetate. sounds like you're all good 8)


I also created an emulsion when salting, it was really nasty and i just isolated and discarded it:? it seemed fairly hopeless to me, but perhaps if you isolate it in a little shot glass or tube it will resolve itself and then you can work out a way to recover the acetates.

 

[Mimosa_Man]

I read in one of the threads on this site that to fix the emulsion you should add more naoh to the emulsion and then it would seperate. Please excuse me if I'm wrong here but the poster of that topic said that you would have no problems adding more lye. Perhaps you should search the site more before attempting anything else.

 

[Entheogenerator]

IME it is quite normal for some of the orange oils to mix into the vinegar. IME During the reduction, at a certain point the limonene evaps away and you're left with just acetate. sounds like you're all good 8)


I also created an emulsion when salting, it was really nasty and i just isolated and discarded it:? it seemed fairly hopeless to me, but perhaps if you isolate it in a little shot glass or tube it will resolve itself and then you can work out a way to recover the acetates.

I feel like I should point out that D-limonene does not evaporate clean, it leaves a residue. So this would leave some impurities behind, but food-grade D-limonene isn't toxic. So they would not be harmful, but impurities nonetheless.

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

So cubeananda and entheogenerator, you were right about my whole emulsion concern, but I'm regarding the attempt as a total loss because of an only slightly related mistake I made. When I was boiling the vinegar down I left it unattended (I know, I know, REALLY dumb thing to do) and it boiled COMPLETELY down. Now, I did come up with what appears to be the classic ACRB jimjam goo, but I have no way of measuring it, and it's all stuck to the bottom of my beaker. Long story short I attempted to get some out and possibly smoke it but I realized it would probably be a better idea to just do another pull (as this was only from pull #1), reduce it correctly, measure it correctly, and do this right rather than rushing into it. This was only the first pull of a 50g extraction, and I have 200g of ACRB left so in my mind this is just another step of the learning process, no big deal.

EDIT: Yes, I realize I could make changa/enhanced herb with this result, however, I don't have any ISO or acetone on hand and it's extremely hard to find these in pure form where I am for some reason. So, as much as I'd like to do that, I am unable to as of right now

EDIT 2: would voidtraveler's warm water bath tek possibly work in this situation? Sorry for all the edits but I keep searching the forums and finding new things :roll:

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

UPDATE:
Extraction complete. I am completely unsure of total yield but I have what I believe is about 10 ml of tincture with a concentration of around 5mg/drop so I am very happy with the results . Thanks for all the help everybody, it's been quite the learning experience. I hope to try my results in the next few days, I'm going to play it by how I'm feeling stress-wise at the time. I will post reports as soon as I get an interesting experience

Cheers!

 

[Entheogenerator]

UPDATE:
Extraction complete. I am completely unsure of total yield but I have what I believe is about 10 ml of tincture with a concentration of around 5mg/drop so I am very happy with the results . Thanks for all the help everybody, it's been quite the learning experience. I hope to try my results in the next few days, I'm going to play it by how I'm feeling stress-wise at the time. I will post reports as soon as I get an interesting experience

Cheers!

Is your tincture just a solution of fumarate alkaloids and water? I ask because I remember reading at some point that DMT tends to break down faster when in solution, but it was in reference to freebase DMT in a NPS. I don't think it would be anything to worry about too much, it's not like it would be likely to degrade in a matter of a few days or anything.

Are you going to use your tincture for pharmahuasca?

Glad your extraction worked out for you! :thumb_up:

 

[Rosetta_Stoned]

Is your tincture just a solution of fumarate alkaloids and water? I ask because I remember reading at some point that DMT tends to break down faster when in solution, but it was in reference to freebase DMT in a NPS. I don't think it would be anything to worry about too much, it's not like it would be likely to degrade in a matter of a few days or anything.

Are you going to use your tincture for pharmahuasca?

Glad your extraction worked out for you! :thumb_up:

Its DMT acetate and water I do believe. I followed Q21Q21's tek and used his tincture procedure to obtain my result. I also have read that so I believe you're right, freebase does degrade in a NPS.

And I am not going to try pharmahuasca. As much as I'd like to, I'm in a situation where consuming MAOIs might cause issues, and my body tends to be very sensitive to things like that so although I'm PROBABLY fine, I don't want to risk it. I'm planning to make some infused herb and I'm actually about to go gather supplies to make Q21Q21's mini "machine" as well so I get the chance to try different methods and find one that's efficient for me early on 8).