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A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (Changa)
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balaganist said:I have a quick question about using Pau d'arco - I got a sample of bark from the tree, is this good to use for the Changa some rate so highly or should I try find some leaves??
Thx
Bark's good.
Baffald said:
Mix and match.
It's all personal preferences.
I currently have 1g pure freebase, 2g's caapi changa and 1g enhanced pau d'arco ( also2g's fumerate for pharma = best yield ever from 250g's bark
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balaganist
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LLB said:
excellent advice, thank you!!! I will be doing this for my next batch for sure...
Is there any reason to use leafs for making the tincture ?
balaganist
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Observant said:
Interesting... becoming more like smokeable ayahuasca. I like this idea very much
I'm also interested in Observant's question.
balaganist
Rising Star
LLB - I went ahead and added 100g leaf + vine to a jar of IPA. Now... I dont expect to have 10g spice!
Do you suggest keeping a 1:1 ratio leaf to dmt once I have finished my current extraction, keeping it at the equivalent of 10x for Caapi extraction?
Thx
Do you suggest keeping a 1:1 ratio leaf to dmt once I have finished my current extraction, keeping it at the equivalent of 10x for Caapi extraction?
Thx
Hi y'all,
I may be mistaken, but I thought it was the vine that contains the THH, with the caapi leaves containing traces at most...
Check out this link...
for analysis of B. caapi, comparing the stems, branches, roots and leaves..from this analysis it seems like consistently that leaves contain the least THH.
However, I very much dig the theory behind the alcohol extraction though...
Anywho have some changafied observations to share,
Made up two batches of changa, both a third strength, one of Pau d'arco only, one of my own Shpongilicious mix (a third caapi vine, a third caapi leaves, a third of mainly passion flower, mullein, peppermint split evenly, with a pinch of blue lotus, sage, mugwort, lavender, pau d'arco).
I smoked these in a new glass bong.
The pau d'arco was a lot denser in volume than the shponglicious mix, and this was smoked first. I'm half way through reading The Holographic Universe, so this may have influenced the very deep, holographic nature of the trip I experienced...I smoked outside at night, and didn't know what to expect...after taking a nice hit on the bong, I noticed the flavour of the water cooled smoke was just grrreat, like a party in my lungs, with everyone invited, a world apart from my first stumbling explorations, inhaling molten freebase vapours out of a revolting light bulb vaporiser. I felt a tingling on my insides before the effects hit me...it was beautiful, and intense...it seemed to me that any stronger than a third strength would kind of be a bit unecessary...got the fear a bit, but just enough to remind me of the power of these realms I was exploring. Nice aferglow, was buzzing, found it hard to sleep afterwards though.
Next night I smoked some of my caapi rich shpongilicious mix, which also tastes quite wonderful, although was a bit harsher to smoke than the pau d'arco...it took up a lot more volume than the pau d'arco, and so a third strength was a lot more chilled out...very nice though, smoked it under the stars, and put me in a wonderful trance, with a different, more gentle, flowing, ayahuasca like feel compared to the pau d'arco, no anxiety, and nice smooth return to baseline with an awesome afterglow.
The following night I tried smoking a joint rolled out of a mixture of both batches of changa, on a friends recmmendation here on the boards...AWESOME!! Worked very well, a very very pleasent way of smoking changa, surprisngly strong, but not overpowering, tasty smoke, and very clear and enveloping, with a nice gradual return to Earth...
So, I guess the main bullet points I want to across in this presentation is that a bong is highly recommended for changa explorers, even if you don't ordinarily use one. After experiencing it, seems like the only way to fly wth regards to smoking DMT...apart from rolled into a joint...also HIGHLY recommended.
Thanks for all on these boards, smokeydaze for being my changa mentor, and soulman for the tip of about the joint format...
Peace :d
I may be mistaken, but I thought it was the vine that contains the THH, with the caapi leaves containing traces at most...
Check out this link...
Erowid Online Books : "Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants, and analogs" by Keeper of the Trout
Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants & analogs by Keeper of the Trout (full text) title page
www.erowid.org
for analysis of B. caapi, comparing the stems, branches, roots and leaves..from this analysis it seems like consistently that leaves contain the least THH.
However, I very much dig the theory behind the alcohol extraction though...
Anywho have some changafied observations to share,
Made up two batches of changa, both a third strength, one of Pau d'arco only, one of my own Shpongilicious mix (a third caapi vine, a third caapi leaves, a third of mainly passion flower, mullein, peppermint split evenly, with a pinch of blue lotus, sage, mugwort, lavender, pau d'arco).
I smoked these in a new glass bong.
The pau d'arco was a lot denser in volume than the shponglicious mix, and this was smoked first. I'm half way through reading The Holographic Universe, so this may have influenced the very deep, holographic nature of the trip I experienced...I smoked outside at night, and didn't know what to expect...after taking a nice hit on the bong, I noticed the flavour of the water cooled smoke was just grrreat, like a party in my lungs, with everyone invited, a world apart from my first stumbling explorations, inhaling molten freebase vapours out of a revolting light bulb vaporiser. I felt a tingling on my insides before the effects hit me...it was beautiful, and intense...it seemed to me that any stronger than a third strength would kind of be a bit unecessary...got the fear a bit, but just enough to remind me of the power of these realms I was exploring. Nice aferglow, was buzzing, found it hard to sleep afterwards though.
Next night I smoked some of my caapi rich shpongilicious mix, which also tastes quite wonderful, although was a bit harsher to smoke than the pau d'arco...it took up a lot more volume than the pau d'arco, and so a third strength was a lot more chilled out...very nice though, smoked it under the stars, and put me in a wonderful trance, with a different, more gentle, flowing, ayahuasca like feel compared to the pau d'arco, no anxiety, and nice smooth return to baseline with an awesome afterglow.
The following night I tried smoking a joint rolled out of a mixture of both batches of changa, on a friends recmmendation here on the boards...AWESOME!! Worked very well, a very very pleasent way of smoking changa, surprisngly strong, but not overpowering, tasty smoke, and very clear and enveloping, with a nice gradual return to Earth...
So, I guess the main bullet points I want to across in this presentation is that a bong is highly recommended for changa explorers, even if you don't ordinarily use one. After experiencing it, seems like the only way to fly wth regards to smoking DMT...apart from rolled into a joint...also HIGHLY recommended.
Thanks for all on these boards, smokeydaze for being my changa mentor, and soulman for the tip of about the joint format...
Peace :d
I swear sometimes I still feel like I am on mushrooms/aya 45 mins after smoking my last mix becasue I used the cappi extract method..after a couple of hits it builds up to a nice hour or so long trip if I have not eaten to heavily.
69ron
Rising Star
Bancopuma said:
Yes. SWIM did lots of research on the subject. The leaves contain little to no THH. They are a great source of almost pure harmine.
Keep in mind that rue contains harmaline, quite a bit. Often harmaline is the main active alkaloid even though rue contains a little more harmine (because harmaline is twice as strong as harmine).
The difference between the caapi leaves and the rue is that the leaves are almost pure harmine, while rue gives you lots of effects from harmaline.
Harmaline is more sedating, more stoning, and twice as potent as harmine. Harmine is more simulating, and less stoning. THH is the most stimulating and not at all stoning.
tryptographer
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It would be great to grow Caapi, even if just for the leaves!
How about Rue leaves, maybe the Rue plant also has different harmine/harmaline/THH ratios in different parts. Are the seeds on the market still viable, can they germinate? I'm going to find out!
Has anyone else tried smoking basified Rue seed 'changa'? Very powerful, it's almost like oral tea combined with smoked spice.
Mix crushed seeds with an equal amount of lime, make a paste with some water, let it dry completely, grind again. These porous grains absorb DMT very well, maybe even protect it from the heat. After a while the lime hardens to calcium carbonate.
In a bong pipehead, sprinkle some DMT on top of a bed of these Rue/lime grains, put a layer of mint leaves on top of that and go!
How about Rue leaves, maybe the Rue plant also has different harmine/harmaline/THH ratios in different parts. Are the seeds on the market still viable, can they germinate? I'm going to find out!
Yeah, it's a great way to extend the experience, you can take more 'as required'
Has anyone else tried smoking basified Rue seed 'changa'? Very powerful, it's almost like oral tea combined with smoked spice.
Mix crushed seeds with an equal amount of lime, make a paste with some water, let it dry completely, grind again. These porous grains absorb DMT very well, maybe even protect it from the heat. After a while the lime hardens to calcium carbonate.
In a bong pipehead, sprinkle some DMT on top of a bed of these Rue/lime grains, put a layer of mint leaves on top of that and go!
69ron
Rising Star
LLB said:
Yeah. I agree. I trust my own experience first. I've found some reports to be completely wrong that were published all over the place in many books.
It could simple be that the tests used to look for THH in the leaves were flawed. For example, if one were to do a heptane extraction on Anadenanthera colubrina seeds, they'd find DMT and 5-MeO-DMT to be the main alkaloids. However, if one did a DCM extraction, they'd find that was completely wrong and that bufotenine is the main alkaloid.
Also, if one did a xylene extraction on mimosa and then boiled away the xylene, they'd find it contained no DMT (because the DMT would boil away). That would of course be wrong. So always use a little healthy skepticism when reading reports of alkaloid content of plant material. They usually don't say how it was analyzed.
Concerning the THH content of the leaves, SWIM doesn't know first hand. He's never tried caapi leaves. He knows the effects of THH, harmine, and harmaline, and can tell them apart blind folded. At some point SWIM is going to try caapi leaves and see for himself.
Drake
Rising Star
I somehow came across Mullein containing Rotenone?
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Maybe I am jumping the gun here? Anyone want to clear this up? I feel that its not the best thing to smoke now :? .
Verbascum - Wikipedia
Rotenone - Wikipedia
Maybe I am jumping the gun here? Anyone want to clear this up? I feel that its not the best thing to smoke now :? .
MagikVenom
Rising Star
Hey Drake
I would not smoke mullen on a regular basis and never daily. It is a expectorent(sp) and will help clear some peoples lungs if they have a cold or cough it has active effects on human body like any drug it should be used olny when necessary. It is not a good thing to have in a daily smoking blend. But then again smoking anything is going to have neg effects on the lungs and smoking daily is going to effect your health. I have been doing it for many years. I will accept the concequences if and when they occur.
I would not smoke mullen on a regular basis and never daily. It is a expectorent(sp) and will help clear some peoples lungs if they have a cold or cough it has active effects on human body like any drug it should be used olny when necessary. It is not a good thing to have in a daily smoking blend. But then again smoking anything is going to have neg effects on the lungs and smoking daily is going to effect your health. I have been doing it for many years. I will accept the concequences if and when they occur.
Drake
Rising Star
LLB said:
Yes many do. But many don't, and stay away from it
. It will be the same with Mullein, some will still smoke it, but I am sure some will rather stay clear from it due to it containing Rotenone. I think it should be noted that mullein (whenever smokey comes back >.< ) contains Rotenone, and should not be added to changa mixes that are smoked on a daily bases.But that view will come to the same two groups of people. Some will not worry about Rotenone in mullein, and will smoke it daily with there spice. Others will stay away, or no longer smoke mullein. It also comes to being my own (and others) fault I guess, for not briefly looking up and getting some info on the herb being used. I still feel it best to put a note rather then a warning next to Mulleins description, maybe a Mod can do this due to Smokey not being around much at this time?
Just saying, easy to take for granted, and expect the herbs being sold to be 100% with no such toxins. I was rather surprised to see Mullein containing Rotenone, I did not even know what Rotenone was even.
Just my view on the matter.
MagikVenom
Rising Star
Drake said:LLB said:
Yes many do. But many don't, and stay away from it
But that view will come to the same two groups of people. Some will not worry about Rotenone in mullein, and will smoke it daily with there spice. Others will stay away, or no longer smoke mullein. It also comes to being my own (and others) fault I guess, for not briefly looking up and getting some info on the herb being used. I still feel it best to put a note rather then a warning next to Mulleins description, maybe a Mod can do this due to Smokey not being around much at this time?
Just saying, easy to take for granted, and expect the herbs being sold to be 100% with no such toxins. I was rather surprised to see Mullein containing Rotenone, I did not even know what Rotenone was even.
Just my view on the matter.
That is a very wise thing Drake. If I were you I would do the same people here are trying to help those who have not read up on all these plants and chems. Which is great but also has many potential proublems.
There was no such thing in my day so I would treat any new plant, chemical, compound as something potentialy dangerous. The olny one who can realy look out for you is yourself. You have found on your own a good reason not to use mullen I would agree. I have smoked mullen and made tea of it long before I learned of dmt because I was interested in all things at a early age and taught myself nearly every thing of value that I know. So when I first heard of dmt I already knew about plants for many years so it was a natural and easy progression for me although like most worthwile things in like it takes time. More for some less for others.
So thank people for there suggestions and begin your OWN research. Use YOUR own better judgement as we are all untimately responsible for ourselves. Do not take foolish risk injesting any thing or carrying out ANY kitchen chemestry proceedures until you are SURE in your OWN mind you understand 100% what you are doing. The things you will learn will be with you your entire life and will have many valueable appicalations in your every day life as well as you work and relationships with others.
This is exactly why peoples opinions change because the are constantly learning there entire live so If five or ten years go by and you have the same views and opinions its time to take a long honest look at yourself because you have stoped learning and that is a HORRIBLE thing.
M.V.
A different thing: Would it be possible to burn changa with a torch lighter or would the heat destroy the spice?
MagikVenom
Rising Star
obliguhl said:
I would think it would be ok because with enhanced leaf you are using the heat of the burning leaf to vap the spice not the thermal enegery from lighter.
So if you use it to get the leaf burning and remove jet lighter flame the leaf will begin to burn and spice absorbed in that burning biomass will vaporize.
So yes as long as it doesent blow the leaf out of bowl and is used just to ignite the biomass you should be fine.
Good luck
M.V.
smokeydaze
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memo said:
It's amazing to smoke isn't it, so enjoyable!Bancopuma said:
Once you go bong you never go back.Bancopuma said:
I'm so glad you've found out it's amazing potential and you too can now enjoy it's ever lasting glory. In the future however I'd strongly recommend trying an equal parts DMT to Pau Darco mix at least once, it truly is on a completely different level - utterly phenomenal and no doubt out of this world.Bancopuma said:
Best wishes for future travels..