Exp. Report A holiday to hyperspace, surfing the wave an hour plus.

[Varallo]

So this is the first time i write a trip report, I do keep notes on my endeavors but never verry descriptive on the whole but mostly details.

A bit of background, I have been using dmt in all possible ways over the last decades. Combined it with most other drugs and especially with harmalas in the form of extracts or with Aya. Up until recently I had to travel with the more classic vaporizers like an GVG or the emesh method and although they get the desired effect it’s difficult to dose consecutively without having to return to world for at least a bit to handle the device. Now in the last couple of months I’ve been experimenting with the a vape with dmt citrate.

So far this device has been amazing and enables one to what’s sometimes called “to surf the wave” where one manages to stay within the breakthrough zone for longer than what would normally be possible and have consecutive breakthroughs that become one.

Over the last couple of months I have been practicing to get to hyperspace and then stay there for as long as possible or as long as my mind allows. After some attempts I have been able to get to around four or more breakthroughs where I would never leave hyperspace completely. Just enough to regain minimal notion of my body to then think about breathing and push the button to quickly forget about it again and travel some more.

This report is about one such experiment where I managed to stay in a breakthrough state for roughly an hour followed by two more breakthroughs making for a good two hours of adventure.

Prep: not much I’m in a good mood and have been for a good couple of weeks. I did trip the day before on a low dose of aya without needing a bucket. I make a small selection of music to accompany me during the trip.

Dosing: I like to combine oral preparations with vaping on top, this way you can really tip your toes in to test the waters before jumping in. I don’t have the practice to weigh my dose but do it based on experience with a set of small spoons. I prepared a small scoop of full spectrum harmalas from rue which is just enough to activate the oral dmt. And a smaller spoon of dmt fumarate. The vape I use has approximately 1 gram to 5 or 6 ml of pg.


So I’m ready and take the harmalas I like to swirl them around in my mouth until I feel them entering my system, then I swallow the rest.

Approximately an half hour later I take the dmt fumarate.
In about 20 min I feel the dmt and it’s power pouring in the experience, I leave the chat and put on my playlist, i feel it’s going to be a beautiful night.

After I’ve established the strength of the oral dmt I decide to take the plunge and start inhaling the floral nectar of the gods. The vapor tastes so so good and is smooth. I instantly feel a great sensation of nostalgia and love for hyperspace, I have missed you my love is only way to describe it. Before I know it I’m there just in absolute aw I can’t imagine the warmth and joy of my entrance. I’ve have missed you your wonderful galaxy of wonder.

Before I can really show my gratitude I’m surrounded with all kinds of mechanical stuffed animal like creatures expressing there happiness of me being there and they start dancing until the whole fractal world starts vibrating.
I’m really happy to be there and feel so welcomed. Suddenly I’m focused on another room, a serious place I feel so, to prevent myself from falling into fear I like to investigate by focusing on the room. I entered and then a moments later the whole room starts bouncing and telepathically it was saying like, haha we tricked you nothing but a party going on here, enjoy enjoy enjoy.
By this time I noticed that I could not feel my body, but I realized and knew I had one so I tried to breathe in and push the button. I’m not sure I did but it somehow changed the trip and I moved from the by then fields of partying creatures towards an enormous cathedral of pink and golden walls that are then moving in and out of perspective in a transparent way somehow disappearing and re-entering the space. By now it has changed colors and it’s filled with symbols that cover the walls, this is a very familiar place that I have been many times before, I know it is inhabited by a wise female spirit truly amazing. I’m not so sure what I did there, maybe the dose was a bit too high but it felt all very important.
I managed to feel my mouth and push the button and get a good two lungs full of love. I’m now floating through fields full of strange creatures that are all to keen to show wonder and tricks, from floating wheels made out of filigree plastic in the most beautiful colors to large structures of machinery preparing parts or some kind of magical more biological material to sent to other parts of the universe.
I’m now in there for quite some time and can’t really remember when and how much I managed to vape, as a rule of thumb I just take more when I’m in control of my body and or realize what I’m doing. It can become quite hard to separate things and feelings and thoughts. And although it was a very clear experience it is difficult to remember what when and how. At some point I just was part of hyperspace and all its inhabitants.

So at some stage I get a glimpse of this cheeky octopus, he has been frolicking around in my trips lately and is what I would call my Opti, he is a somewhat mysterious creature that is very inquisitive, but he can also be a bit parasitic. He sometimes feeds off my feelings, luckily he doesn’t mind if I give him the negative ones he is happy with anything I give him.
So after him landing on my brain and wrapping his tentacles around me he decides to take me on a tour of hyperspace, he knows my intentions are to understand and explore hyperspace, he then starts to show me all kinds of organisms and how they grow and how they evolve.

It’s like understanding hyperspace as an organism like coral reef that is a universe full of creatures and things. He shows me the beginning of bright yellow tentacles that like an sea creature move up and down transparent tubes. The foundations of hyperspace and how it works.
And then as quickly as he came he’s gone, I decide to move towards a group of creatures made out of some fabric in these lovely soft pastel colors. They are so enjoyable that they fold over me and show me some kind of a vertical fabric like plantation in bright light green pastels. Like a wave I’m in there. It’s so comfy and warm like I’m curling up in a ball and become the ball.
This exploration continues for some time and I start to want to get back to normal sober life. I decide its all I want to discover today and that if I would continue it would probably mean I could not remember it clearly. I put down the vape and start to slowly open my eyes. My wife notices me and joins me on the couch and just hug’s me in silence.

At this time more then two hours have gone by and I’m happy to sober up a bit. Just enjoying the warm embrace and the bright colors of my houseplants.

This was a very interesting experience for me and I’m looking forward to go back and explore some more. Hope you guys enjoyed it a bit aswel and maybe even feel inspired to try this aswel.

Take care

 

[isntme]

Hi Varallo anything special about the vape you use and the citrate? Did you describe your setup anywhere?

 

[Varallo]

I use an Eleaf iStick Pico with the standard tank, but I don’t think it’s too much of a deal, all sub ohm vapes are probably good, the only reason is that I choose this one is that the tank volume is rather small (2ml). This is handy because vape juice has somewhat of an expiration point, so after a couple months I like to use fresh juice.

 

[Tripolation]

Hey Varallo,

Very cool experience! Your experience could easily be translated into a marvelous children's story with great characters with a warm and enjoyable feel. Thank you for sharing. Enjoyable to read. Made me smile attempting to picture your descriptions in my mind. Sounds like some great memories from hyperspace.

Take care!

 

[isntme]

regarding the citrate:
you follow Loveall's approach, however adapted (added PG):
originally:
1g FB + 2ml PG + ~350mg citric acid
you:
1g FB + 6ml PG + ~350mg citric acid
so still ~350mg citric acid, as it is needed in proportion to FB DMT, not PG.
No VG, right?

In the e-juice thread VG is suspected to accumulate in the liquid and may make the juice dense and not flow well.
And:PG vaporizes at a lower temperature. It is thermally much gentler on the DMT organic salt.
So I guess this is the reason, right?

I'm asking because Alev-Kev uses 70:30 VGG with FB DMT only (might be more harsh I guess from what I read due to the pH).

I splitted my device questions to here, in order not to spoil the topic too much.

Sorry for all these questions; want to approach it in the right way...

 

[Varallo]

1g FB + 6ml PG + ~350mg citric acid
so still ~350mg citric acid, as it is needed in proportion to FB DMT, not PG.
No VG, right?

I think in the most recent batch I used a little less PG, for the citric acid I used 300 mg to one gram of DMT freebase to start out. I like to dissolve both in about half of the PG each and then mix, after mixing I check the pH and adjust until I reach around 7 or 8. Then most of the time I add one or two drops of VG, I don’t know if it’s really clogging up the vape, and don’t know if I need to add it, maybe next time I’ll skip and take notes on if and how it’s influencing the consistency.

I take a look at your other posts later this evening.

 

[isntme]

OK, thanks.Settled for the geekvape and found that they allow to lower the power @0.4Ohm only from 30 to 25.
Are you doing direct to lung or mouth to lung?
Practicing with PG only currently:
I feel the PG vapor gets quite hot and both methods for me as non smoker are quite harsh. With direct to lung and longer pulls (more than 3 s or so), the vapor gets to hot to inhale (at least for me).

I manage to vapor 0.015 - 0.025g per 'puff', but not more. I was expecting to achieve 0.1g at least...

The DMT on steelwool in the other vape is much less probelmatic. There i can just keep on breathing in (with my temperature sensor in place holding the perfect temperature) for 20s or so...

 

[isntme]

Dosing: I like to combine oral preparations with vaping on top, this way you can really tip your toes in to test the waters before jumping in. I don’t have the practice to weigh my dose but do it based on experience with a set of small spoons. I prepared a small scoop of full spectrum harmalas from rue which is just enough to activate the oral dmt. And a smaller spoon of dmt fumarate. The vape I use has approximately 1 gram to 5 or 6 ml of pg.

Another question to your dosing approach:
I think what you have written elsehwere is 50mg freebase harmalas (=small scoop?) and then the DMT fumarate a smaller sppon would be 30mg?
In the forms of ingestion overview, they give a wide range for oral with MAOI: 30-200mg and 30-50mg for beginners.

Just for curiosity: what would you regard as normal oral dosage (if not up-dosing with the vape)? And how long would this take effect?

 

[Varallo]

Ah yes, I can see the confusion, I tend to mix methods and techniques to slowly titrate my experience, so although I do at times take only Aya or only pharma or only plane DMT, most of the time I mix them up.
So plane Pharma is between 150 to 200mg of harmalas but could be more depending on the what I want, or depending on how I feel. For the DMT it’s depending on the timing, intensity and amount of harmalas and ranges from a couple of mg to a hundred milligrams at times.
Plain DMT I usually take 20 to 25 mg, this gives me the best results most of the times. For Aya I usually just drink until I have enough so I don’t know how much exactly, I do know if the brew is strong or weak and adjust my drinking.

So the last time I tripped, I was taking approx 100 mg of harmalas sublingual, then swallow when the effects are very pronounced after that I added 30 mg of DMTfumarate and a bit more harmalas (approx 50mg) then vaping unknown amounts of DMT al through the experience. So how much did I take? I don’t exactly know, also because I at times ad sublingual amounts of harmalas.

I don’t think that my approach is an very good idea for beginners but when you have some experience you can really develop a sense for how to manage your trips.

I’m not sure how experienced you are but if you’re starting out just prepare 5 doses of harmalas (20 mg) and have an filled tank with medium strength juice. Then start with dosing the harmalas sublingual until you feel you have enough and then add some dmt and some harmalas until …. and some more dmt and … etc. Just feel your way in or out the experience. From there start adding oral harmalas and DMT to create a stable baseline of effects to then work from.

Now, this is a very technical approach and explanation, but it’s very far removed from how I actually experience the process when I’m in the middle of it. In a way, it’s like reading about how to ride a bike and then actually riding one, the two experiences are completely different. When I’m in the moment, it’s much more fluid, intuitive, and sometimes even unpredictable.

Good luck with trying, let me know if you need any more tips.

 

[Ruffles]

Very interesting reporting and usage.

I also like to sublingual-oral harmalas and DMT (40 mg caapi harmalas plus 40 mg D fumarate and redose as time flies) to be in a higher baseline before e-vaping up to whatever desired level (freebase, or fumarate or malate D in 60:40 vg : pg).

Apparently, e-vaping is not fast hitting like smoking-vaping so the higher baseline makes it easier to get to visionary levels.

 

[Ruffles]

And have you tried e-changaing?

Freebase doesn't dissolve well in VG or PG but when salted D is in, the excess acid gets some or most of the harmalas converted and solubilized.

 

[Varallo]

Very interesting reporting and usage.

I also like to sublingual-oral harmalas and DMT (40 mg caapi harmalas plus 40 mg D fumarate and redose as time flies) to be in a higher baseline before e-vaping up to whatever desired level (freebase, or fumarate or malate D in 60:40 vg : pg).

Apparently, e-vaping is not fast hitting like smoking-vaping so the higher baseline makes it easier to get to visionary levels.

Yes, so very much a similar approach, I have often wondered why this is the way I like to go about things, there have years where I had feelings of an separate entity that was in control of the dosing, at times I felt completely at the mercy of this entity. Now I think it has to do with the exploration aspect of my intention, when I take this approach I really want to explore, while when a more personal oriented type of experience is sought after I like to just take one dose.

 

[Varallo]

And have you tried e-changaing?

Freebase doesn't dissolve well in VG or PG but when salted D is in, the excess acid gets some or most of the harmalas converted and solubilized.

I haven’t tried that, thanks for the tip, I’ll definitely try it out. Do you know how much you are able to dissolve?

 

[Ruffles]

Yes, so very much a similar approach, I have often wondered why this is the way I like to go about things, there have years where I had feelings of an separate entity that was in control of the dosing, at times I felt completely at the mercy of this entity. Now I think it has to do with the exploration aspect of my intention, when I take this approach I really want to explore, while when a more personal oriented type of experience is sought after I like to just take one dose.

I second that exploration vs deep experience optioning. Thread slow or jump head on. Which is ending up being either oral-SL-vaping or IM-smoking routes.

That "entity" you described, I feel it as a call previous to the experimentation. In retrospect, it's just spontaneous curiosity from my psychedelic hobby modeling obsession. Like a what would happen if... Some may also call it a psychological and maybe physiological addiction and there is some truth to this.

 

[Varallo]

I second that exploration vs deep experience optioning. Thread slow or jump head on. Which is ending up being either oral-SL-vaping or IM-smoking routes.

That "entity" you described, I feel it as a call previous to the experimentation. In retrospect, it's just spontaneous curiosity from my psychedelic hobby modeling obsession. Like a what would happen if... Some may also call it a psychological and maybe physiological addiction and there is some truth to this.

Haha yeah I think the term that is sometimes used is compulsive re-dosing, it’s not really how I feel about the effect but from an outsider’s perspective it’s definitely that. For me it feels like an (most of the time) robotic entity that is forcing me to inhale more, it’s really interesting (especially because it’s reoccurrence) I feel my soul somehow stays in hyperspace and this entity then enters my body and keeps feeding my body to make sure that my body keeps enabling my soul to travel freely. It’s usually just snippets that I remember from this entity, like flashes of translucent arms and hands (my hands) that feed me my vapor. I have videotaped myself to see what I do and I redose quite often, sometimes making the movement but not actually breathing in vapor. During these trips I am very focused on the exploration and resonate with your observation of spontaneous curiosity, its this pull that makes me want to be there longer.

I don’t think I’m addicted in a traditional sense, I mean I can go without for long periods, sometimes weeks also I experience zero negative consequences. But I’m sure that not being able to use DMT would be very difficult to accept, and really would be very frustrating for some time.

 

[Ruffles]

Never measured perfectly, but a 0.5:1 harmalas:fumarate D dissolved ok. Heat helps. Expect some thickening and clogging when liquid gets low.

I definitely didn't mean to use the loaded word relating to you in a bad way. I use it only to describe this urge that I feel for this type of experience. I may rationalize this as I please (hobby, Adventure, Art) but there will always be a deeper irrational and physiological component to it, a drive.

So, what would you say to maintain height? Redose vape while you are at peak effects or leaving out of it? Or just repeat it for a set time frequency?

I am a bit of a wimp, when things get really strange I tend to wait to get out of it before redosing.

 

[isntme]

@Varallo thanks for the clarification.
Plain DMT I usually take 20 to 25 mg, this gives me the best results most of the times.
This means for 'one-hit' vaping, right?

So the last time I tripped, I was taking approx 100 mg of harmalas sublingual, after that I added 30 mg of DMTfumarate and a bit more harmalas (approx 50mg) then vaping unknown amounts of DMT
Ok, I see. The source of irritation was your post in the sublingual harmalas thread. There you wrote 50mg Harmalas initially followed by DMT. Others there reported to start with 20-30mg Harmalas and then redosing harmalas also (~20mg per hour).

I try to collect the approaches and 'in person' relations to get a bit of a feeling how to explore the different approaches myself (still new to DMT, trying to find my 'one hit vaping' dosage).

Thank you for sharing your experience all the valuable input!

 

[Varallo]

Never measured perfectly, but a 0.5:1 harmalas:fumarate D dissolved ok. Heat helps. Expect some thickening and clogging when liquid gets low.

I definitely didn't mean to use the loaded word relating to you in a bad way. I use it only to describe this urge that I feel for this type of experience. I may rationalize this as I please (hobby, Adventure, Art) but there will always be a deeper irrational and physiological component to it, a drive.

So, what would you say to maintain height? Redose vape while you are at peak effects or leaving out of it? Or just repeat it for a set time frequency?

I am a bit of a wimp, when things get really strange I tend to wait to get out of it before redosing.

Don’t worry, I think it’s a very good question to ask oneself from time to time, addiction in whatever form is really horrible and needs addressing. I think I can safely say that I have an psychological dependency, why would I otherwise trip with such regular intervals, it doesn’t seem to harm me though so I’m okay with it and take a couple months off every couple of years.

On dosing I tend to start vaping when I realize that I have an body but not always, sometimes, it’s just that epic feeling you get at the tail end of an experience like being wrapped in a cocoon of warmth and love. When that happens, I let myself enjoy it for as long as it lasts. But I also know the feeling when things seem too strange to continue, and in those moments, like you, I like to pause and regain my bearings a bit. The idea of using a timer is interesting it might help balance the experience and make it more of an continuous experience. Definitely worth a try.

This means for 'one-hit' vaping, right?

Yes and while I do that still at times I prefer combination with harmalas.

There you wrote 50mg Harmalas initially followed by DMT.

Yes that’s what I usually do, you can get away with less but there’s no reason to not make sure you have enough as one can just swallow the rest when the desired level of activity is reached.

 

[isntme]

Yes that’s what I usually do, you can get away with less but there’s no reason to not make sure you have enough as one can just swallow the rest when the desired level of activity is reached.

Ok, right.
When swallowing, the rest will also be absorbed (slower than in the mouth?) or not?
Is there some argument against using the salt form in capsules? Onset will probably take longer. The pro would be to be able to directly use the form of storage, no need to freebase it first...