A Loaded Question

[deadseascrolls]

Street smarts'll carry you through life like a carriage from a survival point of view but if what you seek is the truth and to increase knowledge now you surely can't lose." ~ Jr. Gong Marley

 

[twitchy]

The tea way is natural and earth made, which is not material. Freebase is man made, which is material. The truth which no one wants to hear, the tea way is way more intense and not as easy going as freebase dmt. In the ancient times, no one was smoking freebase dmt, any healing or religious ceremonies was all done the natural earth intended way. Myself has also done the material way but myself has healing earth songs playing while doing the process but it still is man made with man made products. No matter how we dress it up or make it, it is still not the natural intended earth way. Myself doesn't really like dmt, for me it's 5 meo all the way and the only way to get it in my area is freebase form. Would love the natural earth intended way but can't get it. Most though are still ego driven and want it now and fast, that brother comes in freebase dmt form.

5-MEO is one I've not tried. The potency seems a little intimidating and I wouldn't have any way to accurately measure a dosage if I ever came across it but I'd love to try it. The trip reports are terrifying and awe inspiring, sounds like it's one of those have to see it to believe it kinds of experiences.

 

[twitchy]

I share many of the same reservations, twitchy. 1/32 Blackfoot here, btw.

I try to think of it in these terms: who would you rather teach your children about sex? Angsty hormonal teenagers or old men so set in their ways their dicks don’t work? Neither, right? That’s the twinheaded serpent that’s forever hidden. Live in the mystery. Facilitate growth, but don’t insist upon it. Always be there but don’t breathe down our necks, the youth cry.

And God for fucking bid you mention “Jesus”. God forbid anyone pick up The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and epiphanize upon the thoughts true hero’s WILLINGLY WALKED TO THEIR OWN CERTAIN DEATH TO PRESERVE. But, no. The youth, they rather stand on the shoulders of giants and Piss down their necks than be taught, or admit they don’t know something.

Alas, I am barely tolerable to myself most days. But my thousand-petaled chrysanthemum doesn’t speak gibberish.

I've done a great deal of research on Christianity's entheogenic origins and I posted a thread on a CT site back in 2004 called Tryptamines and God. They hid it on an unsearchable sub-forum and censored the crap out of it... I've thought about reposting it here but it takes alot of wayback machine and relinking etc. and some of the information has since been corrected and would probably be just a rehash to a lot of the learned folks here.

 

[twitchy]

All psychedelic drugs are material. They do not directly affect counsciousness. They affect the brain.

Regardless of what your religious or spiritual beliefs are, you'd have to admit that counsciousness is (or has become for that matter) rather accustomed to the place it inhabits.

Everybody who takes psychedelic drugs is a materialist. Don't ever be so naive to think that you are above any form of materialism.

You may think that the need for money is superficial. But if people need money to feed their loved ones, is it still such a superficial need? OK, it may not be money itself they're after in this case.
But the point is, you can never detach all the profound and spiritual things, from all the earthly stuff. It is not as if, when maybe one day you'll become enlightened, you won't need food or water anymore.

If we can become so mature that we can see our own material needs in perspective, and realise that we ourselves are not the only one's with needs, that is already quite an achievement.

And actually pretty hard.

There's no escaping the material world entirely as long we live here, and like you said, we have become accustomed to it and the idea of the middle way, or balance is the real challenge, at least in this context. Even Buddha himself had to eat and walk the earth. I don't remember who said it, and I'm paraphrasing from memory but it was a really great point someone made about cultures tending to reflect the intoxicants they use, and for Europe, this was primarily alcohol as it is/was practically devoid of naturally derived tryptamines (aside from the endogenous ones). It's not so much materialism itself that I disdain, but the materialistic mindset or the imbalance that is almost required in order to succeed in the modern models of civilization and it seems we've almost forgotten that there is something inherently supernatural in the fact that we exist at all. There's a great quote by Aldous Huxley that your post made me think of...

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.”
-Aldous Huxley

 

[twitchy]

Street smarts'll carry you through life like a carriage from a survival point of view but if what you seek is the truth and to increase knowledge now you surely can't lose." ~ Jr. Gong Marley

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