A potential game-over..

[Lokispawn]

Hi all, I'm new here. Made my intro post just yesterday along with my first batch of DMT freebase using Noman's tek.

Ran into an unforseen problem...

So I tried to smoke some. A very small amount just to sort of wade slooowly into the waters - approx. 10mg, and I'm relatively sure I didn't vape all of it. But what happened was similar to what would happen to me if I smoked a bit too much weed. I'm prone to anxiety attacks when smoking pot ~ a small percentage of marijuana users experience this when very high as opposed to how pot is enjoyed by the majority of users. Well, the same feelings of panic & anxiety re-emerged very quickly as I was inhaling the beginnings of the vaporized DMT. So quick, like running into a wall of bricks that I immediately put the pipe down, exhaled all of the vapor and fought off the feeling. All I experienced was a disorienting body buzz w/ *mild* auditory distortion. No O/CEV's - mainly just an anxiety ridden feeling very similar to if I had just smoked a whole joint. I can only explain it as a sense of impending doom. Like my heart is going to explode, or that just somehow, I am going to die.

Not fun.

I don't expect many people to know what I'm talking about here since 1) most people don't get the same attacks as I do on high doses of pot, and 2) most people probably don't vape 10mg of DMT as their beginning dose, then stop halfway through the second they feel a perception change.

As much as it pains me to say it, perhaps DMT is not for me? Or is this a common sort of misstep unrelated to my marijuana use that others have experienced?

Any input?

 

[xcruefreakx]

hello sir,
i also had a horrible panic attack my first time. i had never had one before, but after hit number 3 (all were held for at least 6 sec.), i couldn't breathe. i tried to fight it, but i still tripped. it eventually became a great experience, even with the high anxiety. aliens tapped into my brain, and they wanted me. but, they didn't take me for some reason, but that's besides the point. just ACCEPT ALL, and EXPECT NOTHING, because believe me, it won't be what you expected. try taking some deep breaths and meditating for a bit before you smoke, and i actually got some anxiety medicine prescribed, which also helps quite a bit. i just take 1 about 20 minutes before smoking.

think about nature as well, a stream or forest. these thoughts usually keep my trip pleasant

 

[Dethrone]

Its not always fun,sometimes its really horrible. Even the fun trips are very intense. Your reality will disappear
before your eyes and sometimes you will die,lose your body,forget who or what you are and if you fight it it gets worse.You have to be ready for anything.

Your going about it in the right way, starting small and being cautious but I think you would have enjoyed it
more if you cleared the pipe.

 

[d*l*b]

I find low doses very, very uncomfortable and don’t generally do them. I feel anxious, hot, a huge crushing feeling. I get no visuals of any type.

Personally I don’t see the point in starting low, if I dose anyone for the first time I give them maybe 5 to 10mg less than my dose (I need 30mg+ to get off the ground using a GVG and 40–50mg with a traditional pipe/bong). Hyperspace will be difficult at some point whatever, I would rather not encourage the fiendy behaviour I have seen by people who dose low.

Just a personal view though.

 

[DeMaTron]

Everyone has this feeling and everyone interprets it differently, I think its interesting to point out that the buzz from pot is to an extent similar and i feel you are simply afraid of what you have not felt and thus the interpretation of experience is negative. Perhaps working with pot in a controlled setting with comforting sitters would help you overcome this interpretation, but nothing can fully prepare you for the intensity of DMT, this does not mean it has to be bad, it can be overwhelmingly positive, try to imagine the buzzing feeling as the ultimate release, breaking everything you feel and see down into energy, this does result in ego death and is probably the reason you get anxiety, because your ego's instinct is to protect itself from death, but will often be the most amazing experience. Also circumstance and current states will make interpretations vary.

 

[Dethrone]

I was very attached to my ego in the beginning it made things hard for me.With time it is getting easier to let go
and journeys have become more pleasant.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

This low dose you speak of makes me smile. I love it!!! If you turn the lights down low and look at things, they will move and look cool, like mushrooms. I absolutely adore this high and it is quick. But sadly it is not meant to be taken in small 5mg doses. People say you can start small to get your bearings on it and get used to that feeling. So that when you take a 20-25mg dose, you won't get such a shock and just close your eyes and view / hear what message / vision you are to have.

Locispawn - As for pot. I have heard of people getting paranoid on it. Marijuna is a mellow drug and if you feel uncomfortable on that, why would you then pick the most psychedelic drug on earth? Just puzzles me :/

 

[Lokispawn]

Thanks to all of you for the replies. I appreciate all input.

Electric Kool-Aid, pot doesn't generally make me paranoid. In moderate doses, pot has been a true eye opener in many things and I cherished it as a tool for many years (though, it's very risky for me to partake nowadays due to random work drug testing) However, when I smoke too much pot (say, a whole joint to myself) is when things get anxiety ridden for me and unenjoyable. I was getting very similar feelings on the low-dose DMT hit. You ask why I would pick DMT? I ask, why are any of us here? I'm trying to expand my consciousness, to learn, grow, and take in all that being part of humanity has to offer. I do so cautiously, apprehensively, even skeptically, but at the same time with great curiosity, excitement, and eagerness.

 

[d*l*b]

I really don’t see how useful any of this talk about ego or ego death is. 10mg doesn’t seem to have got anywhere close to this point. To me it seems that the OP has just experienced very uncomfortable bodyload, which some people do when they do low doses.

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

Thanks to all of you for the replies. I appreciate all input.

Electric Kool-Aid, pot doesn't generally make me paranoid. In moderate doses, pot has been a true eye opener in many things and I cherished it as a tool for many years (though, it's very risky for me to partake nowadays due to random work drug testing) However, when I smoke too much pot (say, a whole joint to myself) is when things get anxiety ridden for me and unenjoyable. I was getting very similar feelings on the low-dose DMT hit. You ask why I would pick DMT? I ask, why are any of us here? I'm trying to expand my consciousness, to learn, grow, and take in all that being part of humanity has to offer. I do so cautiously, apprehensively, even skeptically, but at the same time with great curiosity, excitement, and eagerness.

Stick with it. You'll here this alot, "pre flight jitters". Just because someone bungy jumps doesn't mean they don't get a racing pulse standing on the platform with a cord on their ankles. I love dmt, I've done it maybe 40 times, and it still scares the hell out of me. There is no getting used to dealing with the most powerful experience a human can have. I take little tokes too, just to feel the waters. Either its intense yet ok, or my gut says no, you really don't wanna do this tonight. Then if the stars are aligned, the planets in the correct houses, its an odd numbered date and the juju is good, then I blast off. Then when I'm coming down I say, "I wish I knew it was gonna be that much fun, I don't wanna come down yet".

 

[Lokispawn]

d*l*b, a question for you.

Does that body load go away if I go through with a higher dose? For instance, in a breakthrough, will I still somehow feel that heavy, sunken, anxious feeling? I can't see how I'd be able to have a positive experience if it's always there.

 

[d*l*b]

This is partially my point, most people that I have spoken to don’t seem to have this issue but some do (myself included). For me a good solid dose has no effect like this at all, if I don’t have any sense of having a body or being with this world then I can’t feel such sensations.

 

[Lokispawn]

AWESOME news to report.

I tried again. (obviously!)

This time, 20mg..

Woooow, I am so happy for this experience I just had. I still have an afterglow as I type this, but wanted to share with you all what happened.

During the vape'ing, I felt it hitting my lungs. Before I even finished I felt a warm wave start creeping over me. There was a nice soft light in the room and it suddenly began to dim. I saw that the goo had dissipated, so I quickly put the bowl & lighter down in a safe spot and held it in as long as I could. When I finally exhaled a rush of euphoria hit me. NO BODY LOAD! NO ANXIETY!

I was lying comfortably on my bed, belly down, facing my coffee colored wall. It turned translucent on me, and I could see different stacked layers swirling spirally into and out of each other, but prominently in the center of my vision, faces began forming all of catlike creatures. I couldn't tell exactly what types of animals, as I'm no biologist or anything, but if I had to guess, the entire array of cats as I know them made appearances. Domestic cats, lions, bobcats, cheetas, etc., etc., all in different shapes, colors, and sizes, morphing into different types every 5 seconds or so.

I had an overwhelming sense of well being and happiness. I even audibly let out several laughs that rushed to the surface as I couldn't contain it. My original goal was to stay open, accepting, and .. well.. I guess you could say, "serious" about it, but a spirit of playfulness hit and it was just so fun I had to laugh out loud.

This only lasted for what seemed like 2-3 minutes, and at the end, out of nowhere and seemingly out of place came a distinct warning: "Quit smoking"..

Those were the only two words that were implanted. It was as though I did not generate them, that something or someone put them there. And I knew that it wasn't talking about the DMT, but of my nasty nicotine habit. It washed over me in an abrupt manor the likes of being caught off guard by one of those websites that scare people after a couple minutes of looking at a picture closely to try to solve some riddle or navigate some maze, except it wasn't scary at all. It was calming, reassuring, and wisdom filled.

I can't tell you how many times I've had people ask me to stop smoking, nor can I tell you how many times I've told myself the very same thing, but coming in this manor put such a spin on the notion that the thought of smoking now seems like an unbelievably silly and needless thing. I know it's early, sitting here in the waning afterglow to say I will stop, as the addiction and cravings haven't hit or anything, but I'll be damned if I won't take the cue seriously and attempt with all my heart to kick the habit.

Regardless, the experience was thrilling, and as I work my way up the dosage ladder, I will keep positive, open, honest, and receptive in navigating my way to a breakthrough.

 

[DeMolecularTraveler]

Congrats=)

 

[semios]

A note of understanding:

Marijuana is my dear old friend, as old a friend as any I have on this earth. We met in high school and have never really been apart. It might be weeks or even months between our sessions together, but we go way back.

But in the last decade she has turned on me too, reaching the point that the anxiety she provokes is hardly worth the bother. So I just wanted to say that's not an unusual experience you have with ganja, that anxiety reaction. Google it, it's well reported.

I have had pot make me go all anxious and freaked out on its own lots of times, and I have also had it add a freakout to other drug highs, when I have made the mistake of smoking it during the high or comedown.

Mushrooms, LSD, and most strangely of all, MDMA.

How do you have an anxious MDMA experience, you ask? Well, in my case, you have it by smoking a joint with friends while waiting for the MDMA to come on, and then when the pot kicks in and brings on the MDMA roll, freaking out about various insane nonsensical anxieties instead of just happily bopping to the music. 30 minutes later when the THC was more metabolized and I still had a couple hours of MDMA roll to go, everything started looking a hell of a lot more rosy!

Peace...

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

Glad to hear you made it through, Lokispawn. I had some pretty scary anxiety when I was first testing the waters at lower doses, like I was losing my mind or dying. But luckily, I figured out that it was all just my stuff being projected, so I just had to learn how to let go of my tensions, trust the experience, go with it, and have some fun. I'm still pretty new to it, but I know it will keep getting better from here. Best of luck on your journeys.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

WOW!! Goin for the gold!!
Glad you had a good time!
The message, thats cool!
All the best! I have yet to get there!

 

[cosmickees]

So maybe i am a little late to the party, but regardless...

I have yet to take my first trip, however i think i too have experienced a somewhat frightening experience during my last salvia trip.

The setting was that i was with a lot of friends in a big room, one of them was not joining the salvia party and sitting behind his computer. Right at the moment that i take a big toke of 10x extract he walks by (behind me) and as i exhale he sniffs it (i didn't notice any of that). So my friend who sits on the couch across of me says "He does not approve". Right at that very moment i blast off rapidly, while the words "he does not approve" keep echoing in my head.. Does not approve.. does not approve. Should i not be doing this? Is something going wrong? What's happening? Why is it not approved. And for a bit i kept on fighting that i needed the approval of something and that what i was doing was not going like it should. I was quite scared but most of all very confused and it gave me an unpleasant experience. Once i came down i was thinking that i maybe shouldn't do salvia anymore.

However i have agreed with myself that no matter if i quit salvia or not, i cannot let the fear of the last trip control my life. So even if i will quit smoking salvia (which i hope won't be necessary) i have to face her at least one more time to convince myself that i am not scared of one "negative" experience. If anything it has given me the information that on a blast off i require silence and not random people walking around the room that can interfere with it.

I read of course that you have already had a wonderful second trip which is great to read. I hope i will soon experience something similar.

 

[WarriorPriest]

CONGRATULATIONS!!! I'm happy for you mate

Further and farther next time?

WP

 

[LoccdatDMT]

salvia is pretty insightful but the trip is just wierd for me. it feels like im stark naked in snow while morphing into a bunch of animals while going through all these laps and layers of reality almost like being trapped in a book. hahah no more salvia for me thank you