A reflection from the Machine.

[Cazman043]

I've been inactive for a while, however desired to share a reflection on injustice.

The Machine -
"Oh dear one, how ignorant you are. I will rule you. You will not have freedom, but adhere to my words! I will dictate the narrative, and you will be a puppet, a marionette, in whatever fate I order to be! And you will pay! We will take your money, we will tax you, we will incriminate you, and we will use your very own money to do so! Oh dear abiding citizen, this is only because we care for you and your safety! This has nothing to do about power or greed, you ignorant youthful one! But our love and our nurture that we extend to you! Please, continue to drink from the wounded breast who's nectar is saturated in the blood of extorting the mother of all her resources. OH, but dear one, do not question our motive! Do not delve into insight, for we do not wish for you to bear the psychosis of insanity. If you look and see through the translucent glass and fall upon the vision of the truly bloodied machine we really are, don't be threatened dear one, we have a cure for that!
But rather we get to that point, let us make illegal that which enhances; and rather force down your willing open jaw a bottle of whisky to guzzle upon, inject you with fatty foods and sugar and have you breathe in the aromatic scent of nicotine.
And then you shall work! For we need you to produce the fats in which we inject you; and the poison that will enslave you. Oh youthful one, how ignorant you are to mistrust us! How plain, how simple. Do you truly not understand that we do this all in good faith? We really do you know! We really do want the best for you. So close your eyes little one, rest your weary head, and drink from the nectar we use to nurture you.

 

[murklan]

Good writing, thank you!

But do you think about that the machine is in everyone of us living in the age of the machine? It goes deep I think. Perhaps like a mind-virus, the idea of separation of man from nature and a hierarchy along with that. That the other-then-human are for us humans to take and use as we please. And that with our 'great minds' we can use all our fantasies to extract more for us, for the machine of reason and efficiency.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Thank you for coming out of hiding to share that with us. That was really beautiful.

I felt like it highlights both the good and the bad, the nefarious and caring, the beauty and ugliness of our constantly fluxing and evolving societal systems the world over. What spoke to me the most is the necessary need for a balance, of the systems (or machines) and the individuals that make up those amalgams.

I wish I had time presently to share more of what this sparked in my mind, but have some stuff to accomplish. Perhaps in the coming days.

One love

 

[Dirty T]

I educated my kids from a very young age about the machine. Being of Native ancestry (Cherokee Tribe) I have the after effects of the machine written right into my DNA. I'm anti government (I believe in Anarchy not Chaos. I grew up in a community that governed itself far better than any big government could ever hope to achieve) anti corporation (I believe corporations insulate guilty people and have too much influence in the government I do not believe in) anti police (when citizens are paid to police other citizens there is inherent corruption that goes with that type of power and insulation) anti prison (today's correctional system is a 'churched up' modern day slavery system and correctional officers have been shown to engage in psychopathic behavior as the rule. Trauma induced psychopathy is a real phenomenon and when your job is to treat people with less regard than animals psychopathy will eventually set in. If we treated dogs the way we treat people PETA would be up in arms and bring down enough lawsuits to plug up the DOJ worse than Bezos did with his nonsensical space plane suit) anti pharmaceutical (Pharmaceutical companies are the real drug cartels in the U.S. They routinely push unsafe drugs, cover up problems and issues and lobby against legalization of Ethneogenics. Doctors then help push these drugs for a profit and we are supposed to trust the doctors. It's impossible for me to trust someone that is getting monetary compensation from a cartel for pushing poison on me) anti military (we are the only 'Major Nation' in the history of man where our leaders are not sent to battle in wars. Instead we send the impoverished, uneducated and desperate CHILDREN of our Nation. The decision making part of the brain is not fully developed until 25 years old. The fact is our military recruits ONLY from ages 18 to 27 is indicative of predatory behavior. We don't wait until people are old enough to make well informed decisions to send them to war which is plain scary to say the least. Not to mention the trauma we put these kids through) anti media (the masses are controlled by controlling the information) anti organized religion (although I am an ordained minister I don't believe in lare church congregations or the like, just more room for inherent greed not to mention the appalling protections given to pedophiles by certain religious bodies) and just pretty much Anti Machine all the way around. The problem is we all have to interact with the machine on some level. This 'relationship' can be very taxing, it can also be seductive at times. Fortunately I have found comfort in the fact that my "hatred for the machine" has been converted to love for my fellow human being through dedication, hard work, meditation, prayer and selfless acts. We don't have to sabatoge the machine but we don't have to offer any assistance either.

Sorry for the wall of text. We have very similar beliefs concerning "The Machine" thank you for your well written post. I enjoyed reading it and I'm very grateful to be a part of this community of like minded individuals.

They really do tell us to drink the poisoned blood from the breast of the mutilated beast and reprimand us for questioning our safety or the health and treatment of said beast don't they?

 

[Voidmatrix]

Very well articulated as usual Dirty T.

I agree with your points (at least all of your observations) to a point (potentially from my own bias of being African-American with Native ancestry also). Do you feel that these structures you've mentioned are bred out purely nefarious means, or do you think perhaps that some mistakes were made, some perspectives too invested in, and many of these facets as products of fear by those instilled to help run the machine ("the road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind)? It's hard for me to just admit that theses structures in their totality are "wrong" despite the negative impacts we see as a product of them. There does seem to be some altruism. For example, not every pharmaceutical chemist has a motive of controlling others, or just padding their pockets. Look at Shulgin, a psychopharmocological chemist. I think that with all of these structures there are those with beneficial intents and those with malicious intent.

It's also hard for me to concede to an inability to trust simply because someone is getting paid for what they do. Money is symbolic of resources needed to live and be fulfilled. We do work for this resourcing regardless of what the work may be. It seems it's more the design of the system that allows for people outside the realm of research to procure funds for selling (such as pharmaceuticals) without a limit to their action. Individuals who pad their pockets seem to do so for two main reasons: fear of not being stable and/or comfortable in their lives (more money, more "security" of multiple classes), and/or low self-esteem (having more money then putting someone in a "higher" class, thus giving a facade of being "better"). It's a systemic issue and an individual issue it appears.

Overall, it seems the issues are a product of the machine, but not necessarily by intended means of a negative nature. There are many that are misinformed, unable to change their thinking, misguided, etc. but they don't have negative intentions. The problem being a product of the system shows that it's more about certain major players and proponents of the system, rather than each and every individual that interacts within the system. And I think the OP stated this well in its prose.

And I am not trying to start a debate or state that you're wrong. It's the Socratic nature in me, playing Devil's advocate, and continuing to question to explore more fully. As I said, I see all of your observations as well, just with other adjunct observations through several other lenses as well.

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[Dirty T]

I absolutely agree that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Of course not all pharmacists are bad just like all police are not bad cops and all politicians aren't in it to line their coffers. The problem lies in the fact that the people that do get involved in these lines of work have a predisposition to fall into place as another cog in the machine.

I had a long talk with a friend a few years ago about Police. All police are not bad cops or bad people, however the job is very attractive to the type of people that have no business having power over others. The problem is compounded by the fact that police are "law enforcement officers", their actual job is to enforce the laws that are written and passed by wealthy old mostly white men who do not follow the rules they make. It is further exacerbated by an atmosphere of "Brotherhood" and 'solidarity' where they cover each other's faults. Many enforce laws they themselves do not follow. Where I live they are a glorified gang, don't get me wrong there are some that are really good people but those that are either get burnt out in a very short amount of time once they realize what the job really entails or fall in the line of corruption with the rest of their fellow officers. The position itself is inherently corrupt. The institution is in an irreparable state that can only be solved by complete abolishment.

The same can be said about the pharmacists. I know some personally that are good people. Corporations have led the entire industry through way of greed to an abhorrent condition. Things like charging people 50,000x what a medication costs to produce for life saving medicines while selling opiates at an affordable price point are very indicative of the condition of the pharmaceutical industry. There are definitely the outliers that have good intentions but forgive me if I choose to spend my energy in more productive ways than trying to figure out whether or not a 'drug dealer' is being truthful about their product. For profit health care is an abysmal failure.

 

[dragonrider]

I have come to the conclusion myself that bureaucracy is a collective obsessive compulsive disorder. It is a sickness of the mind. It is like with those people who have to wash their hands 500 times a day, but then occurring within a group of people instead of just a single individual.

Sometimes what government organisations do, isn't even legal according to their own standards. Wich sort of proves the point, because that means that people either act in bad faith, or that they don't even know what they're doing themselves. The first is probably the exception, the latter though, is pretty much the norm.

The levels of bureaucracy we are facing today in post industrial societies are an indication that many people aren't fully living. They are lacking something. Vitality, the will to live maybe.

Illustration: so we want to tackle climate change. We sign treaties. Promise to burn less fossil fuels. So instead we are now chopping trees, turning them into woodpellets, and burn the woodpellets to produce electricity. Circular, green energy in theory only.

How could any person who is not a mindless zombie agree with such a "solution"? Only if you're a sleepwalking paperpusher, or utterly corrupt, you could agree to be part of such a scheme.
It is a fake solution and it is destroying nature.

But on paper, you are decreasing carbon emissions. So that's why it is being done. Like all that paperwork is going to amount to anything. Absolutely bonkers.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Yeah, it's funny how we can't just use less energy instead. No! We must put microchips in everything! But now we're running out of microchips...

 

[Voidmatrix]

I have come to the conclusion myself that bureaucracy is a collective obsessive compulsive disorder. It is a sickness of the mind. It is like with those people who have to wash their hands 500 times a day, but then occurring within a group of people instead of just a single individual.

Sometimes what government organisations do, isn't even legal according to their own standards. Wich sort of proves the point, because that means that people either act in bad faith, or that they don't even know what they're doing themselves. The first is probably the exception, the latter though, is pretty much the norm.

The levels of bureaucracy we are facing today in post industrial societies are an indication that many people aren't fully living. They are lacking something. Vitality, the will to live maybe.

Illustration: so we want to tackle climate change. We sign treaties. Promise to burn less fossil fuels. So instead we are now chopping trees, turning them into woodpellets, and burn the woodpellets to produce electricity. Circular, green energy in theory only.

How could any person who is not a mindless zombie agree with such a "solution"? Only if you're a sleepwalking paperpusher, or utterly corrupt, you could agree to be part of such a scheme.
It is a fake solution and it is destroying nature.

But on paper, you are decreasing carbon emissions. So that's why it is being done. Like all that paperwork is going to amount to anything. Absolutely bonkers.

There's certainly imbalances in these systems for many complicated reasons. Hopefully it'll all come to a head and balanced in time. The pendulum swings both ways until it comes to rest in the center.

One love

 

[lsrvnt]

wonderful writings! Ive been pondering these energies and ideas for a while now. coming to the same conclusion that we are existing in a series of containers both physical and mental and that the only way to escape is to find the gaps in the walls and the spaces between those containers. both literally and physically. that the ways of escape involve breaking pattern and thinking for oneself as well as being able to do so with a confidence of success. I've been thinking about the way that hyperspace is called by many an escape or even been deemed a forum of escapism from the real reality. however i'm starting to realize that escapism is kind of an art and exists in both the physical non physical worlds as well as the world of thought. and any kind of container exists as a wall that encloses thoughts or space. and anything that is a form of liberation is also a form of escapism in my dictionary. I think perhaps escapism is actually a great thing because it allows freedom from any container be that ideas and concepts gender or even school... even a mental or physical prison if need be. No spirit can hold or contain you if you are an artist of escapism and in this way are also illusive and make yourself impossible to catch or even be seen if you desire. this can help you find your way out of any situation in real life or a dream. something about it. is very comforting knowing that anyone can escape from any situation if they are determined enough. I think escaping the maschine is one of the hardest tasks of all and the thing I believe is on all of our minds especially these days.

thanks for hearing my thoughts

good day

 

[dragonrider]

The way i see it, the root of the problem, and probably also why you call it "the machine" is this: it is ofcourse true that no society can function entirely without any rules, regardless of whether these rules are written down or just implicitly present in the collective awareness of people. But then we are faced with the choice of how we want to uphold these rules. Do we want to hold people personally responsible for the choices they make, or do we want to create a system of even more rules and regulations? Do we want to leave it to the people to decide for themselves how to interpret the rules, or do we want to look at society like a computerprogram that can yield exactly the outcome we want as long as we put the right codes in?

And then we have chosen the latter. Wich takes any responsibility away from people.
Wich is exactly what is wrong with for instance the police. There is not a culture of personal accountability. We don't tell our police officers during their training that the decissions they make will affect people's lives. We don't tell them to think about that. We don't ask them to think about the impact of the decissions they will have to make, or the weight of the responsibilities that will weigh on their shoulders everyday. They don't have the obligation or even the right to refuse an order if they would consider it unconscionable to follow it through.
How can you protect and serve, if you are not allowed to take any personal responsibility, if you are supposed to be just a cog in a machine?

So, instead of a society where people take personal responsibility for things and thus, act responsibly, we have created a machine. A machine without a mind or a soul. A machine that doesn't care if it crushes lives or destroys ecosystems.

And innevitably, it fails. A machine cannot help us. A machine cannot protect, or serve. It cannot cure illnesses, educate our childeren, save the climate, or fix the infrastructure. Only people can.

And another thing: a life without any responsibility is not a full life. It is a fake life. If you take away responsibility from people, you are slowly killing them, because you rob them from their sense of purpose. It is in our nature to care. Without it we become a machine ourselves.

 

[Voidmatrix]

is ofcourse true that no society can function entirely without any rules, regardless of whether these rules are written down or just implicitly present in the collective awareness of people

^^ A very important consideration.

I'd also like to say, the "machine" is an amalgam of people. It's not a program within any kind of formal system, and as such, is just as flawed as the people that facilitate it.

We have locks on our doors and passwords for a reason: it seems impossible to know exactly which individuals can be trusted and which cannot, there's no exclusion to positions of power. And what we distrust would probably have greater ramifications without people developing systems to assist with order.

But as conceded to previously, it's flawed; a work in progress. And progress isn't always linear.

And I feel many mechanisms, but not all, do hold individuals responsible, hence courts of law, but with any system (even formal ones) there are holes and loopholes that individuals will exploit to avoid responsibility.

One love

 

[dragonrider]

is ofcourse true that no society can function entirely without any rules, regardless of whether these rules are written down or just implicitly present in the collective awareness of people

^^ A very important consideration.

I'd also like to say, the "machine" is an amalgam of people. It's not a program within any kind of formal system, and as such, is just as flawed as the people that facilitate it.

We have locks on our doors and passwords for a reason: it seems impossible to know exactly which individuals can be trusted and which cannot, there's no exclusion to positions of power. And what we distrust would probably have greater ramifications without people developing systems to assist with order.

But as conceded to previously, it's flawed; a work in progress. And progress isn't always linear.

And I feel many mechanisms, but not all, do hold individuals responsible, hence courts of law, but with any system (even formal ones) there are holes and loopholes that individuals will exploit to avoid responsibility.

One love

Yes, it is true that there are mechanisms that hold individuals responsible. But too often the emphasis is on the formalities of those mechanisms instead of on the culture in wich they function.

Police officers, but doctors as well, often complain that they spend more time filling forms, than helping people.

There are rotten apples everywhere, but most people care about the world. And it is that part of us that should be nourished more. We are all part of something bigger, but it is not a machine, it is mankind, the ecosystem, or a family. Real things.

I think it is like with muscles. It's a sort of "use it or lose it". The more we care, the better we get at caring. That is the thing we need. People will flourish if they learn to take more care of things.

It is risky to put trust in people. But firstly, trust in rules instead of people just isn't working, we see it failing us all the time, and secondly, it is cold and dispassionate.

Covid-19 realy made me change my mind on a lot of things. The scientists have done a great job with the vaccines. But the politicians and government organisations have failed catastrophically. And they have done so regardless of their political points of view.

I could give you countless of examples, but the bottomline is that millions of lives could have been saved by simply the removal of red tape.

And once you see it, you can't unsee it anymore.

I find it hard to say anything about american domestic issues, because i don't think i understand american society well enough, but here in europe, everything is falling apart.

We are failing in tackling climate change, we are failing in how we tackle the complex issue of migration (in europe we all liked to critisize trump, but over here we are treating migrants even more inhumanely than the trump administration ever did), we are failing in tackling the financial system, and we are failing in creating equal opportunities for young people.

And it all comes down to a sort of apathy. I believe we CAN make a difference. But we have to realy want it.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I definitely understand.

I hope you know that even if I am not in complete agreement with you, I appreciate your position and I do stand with you in solidarity.



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[dragonrider]

Well, i never felt this place should be an echochamber where everybody has the same opinions. That would be boring as hell.

And apart from our secret pineal gland harvesting & satanic blood sacrifice programs, the DMT-nexus was never supposed to be a cult.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Well, i never felt this place should be an echochamber where everybody has the same opinions. That would be boring as hell.

And apart from our secret pineal gland harvesting & satanic blood sacrifice programs, the DMT-nexus was never supposed to be a cult.

Wait wait wait, say what?!? You mean you don't like reinforcing your own cognitive biases, narrowing your mind, and only talking to people who agree with you? That's odd :lol:

I got some premium ones from null24. Very scrumptious...



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[dragonrider]

Yup, there's a reason we call him the glandmaster over here.