Acacia Acuminata 2kg next to no results?

[SLiCeR]

Hey guys so i was lucky enough to find an Acuminata that had been downed
and riddled with white ants, which made the bark super easy to remove.

I tried running what i think is the latest version of the Lex Tek, link below
DMT Handbook

I used ph down as my phosphoric acid and did everything i can think of
on the tek down to a t except the shellite extraction step,
You see my problem was as soon as i shook the jars a few
times it would destroy the seal and make it impossible to shake beyond
this point, otherwise it would basically spurt all through the kitchen so i tried
using a glass stirring rod to mix the layers, this obviously didnt
mix the layers and when i checked my freeze percip it was next to nothing
So i decided i needed a new container, whent and got one and then
tried doing it again.
The same thing happened and i could no longer screw the cap on properly, so once again im trying
to carefully mix the layers together but at least now i was getting the layers to mix.


After doing all the shellite pulls i was hoping to see milky shellite but just yellow still.
I let the shellite evap overnight and still not milky at all
I dont know why the shellite isn't pulling the DMT its got me stumped and scared that i have wasted
2kg of material for next to nothing.

The solution was hot when doing the shellite pulls.


Maybe its not basified enough? It was 2.050 in weight
and i followed the tek for 2kg but i didnt see that .50 being much of a
problem.

Note i had better results with 500g of branches, twigs and a bit of phylodes
I would of expected at least a gram from 2kg surely something is not right?

Any help is greatly appreciated
SLiCeR

 

[acacian]

how much caustic did you use to base it?

 

[SLiCeR]

how much caustic did you use to base it?

200 grams

 

[nen888]

..a few quick comments..

first, it is quite possible that those white ants have eaten away all the alkaloids..not unknown..

second, i don't recommend that tek (especially the phosphoric acid)..i have had a few reports of negative results from usually reliable species using this tek..i personally only recommend the method outlined in the Acacia info. thread, though other methods also work fine..just not the 'DMT Handbook' one..i think this work was rather prematurely named without enough research..

third, i don't recommend shellite..there are better forms of napatha, eg. lighter fluid..

and last, are you absolutely 100% certain it was acuminata? ..Growpen (in the Acacia info thread) found a couple of 'lookalikes' which did not contain dmt..

 

[SLiCeR]

..a few quick comments..

first, it is quite possible that those white ants have eaten away all the alkaloids..not unknown..

second, i don't recommend that tek (especially the phosphoric acid)..i have had a few reports of negative results from usually reliable species using this tek..i personally only recommend the method outlined in the Acacia info. thread, though other methods also work fine..just not the 'DMT Handbook' one..i think this work was rather prematurely named without enough research..

third, i don't recommend shellite..there are better forms of napatha, eg. lighter fluid..

and last, are you absolutely 100% certain it was acuminata? ..Growpen (in the Acacia info thread) found a couple of 'lookalikes' which did not contain dmt..

I actually thought that to myself when i noticed the white ants had peeled alot of the bark away but then thought "nah surely there not eating it" and thought nothing else of it.

What lighter fluid do you use?

ahh feels like a wasted 2kg to me


I'm like %99 sure it's Acuminata as i have got some DMT from it after checking my last freeze precipitation i have found probably close to half a gram maybe less.
The phylodes and twigs are identical to that of the Acuminata i found before and successfully extracted 700mg from.

This will be the last extraction i do on bark as for one it is a destructive way to obtain DMT and careless harvesting WILL result in bad experiences IMO. I was lucky enough to find a downed tree but have the feeling it was to show me it's not worth it for bark and there is much better ways of harvesting Acumianata for DMT.

Anyone looking into doing an extraction on Acuminata please please please check this (Using leaves / phylodes of Acuminata) thread out and do not attempt to use bark from this species to obtain DMT.
I thank AlienTeaParty for posting the thread just mentioned and helping keep this wonderful species alive.

 

[Gowpen]

..a few quick comments..

first, it is quite possible that those white ants have eaten away all the alkaloids..not unknown..

second, i don't recommend that tek (especially the phosphoric acid)..i have had a few reports of negative results from usually reliable species using this tek..i personally only recommend the method outlined in the Acacia info. thread, though other methods also work fine..just not the 'DMT Handbook' one..i think this work was rather prematurely named without enough research..

third, i don't recommend shellite..there are better forms of napatha, eg. lighter fluid..

and last, are you absolutely 100% certain it was acuminata? ..Growpen (in the Acacia info thread) found a couple of 'lookalikes' which did not contain dmt..

I actually thought that to myself when i noticed the white ants had peeled alot of the bark away but then thought "nah surely there not eating it" and thought nothing else of it.



Anyone looking into doing an extraction on Acuminata please please please check this (Using leaves / phylodes of Acuminata) thread out and do not attempt to use bark from this species to obtain DMT.

Mate, 2kg is a lot of work to find no DMT, albeit a bit on the commercial side !!!, I feel for you. Why not do a small test extraction, say 50 gms. I have used 'old' dead bark and got nothing, any idea how long the bark you used had been sitting. White ants LOVE DMT.... !! maybe. You could also buy some Ehrich test kits to test for indoles first.... (info if required)
I find Shellite to be just fine, but it is all I have used so I cant speak for anything else.
Your final precip will be from a yellowish mixture, so.....
Either you had no DMT in the first place..... ie, too old or not acuminata OR....
the tek you used did not work. I am doubtful of the 200gms of NaOH was enough (what was the volume of the liquid you added this to ?)
I used 150gms with 1lt of extract from 200gms of dried/powdered fresh bark to get 2gms of yellowish DMT. when I re-x I had 1.5gms of nice clean DMT.
Are you in WA ? if not, A. burkittii is in WA and NSW and by all reports is a good alternative to Acuminata but still in the family of the 'Jam' group of Acacia. I notice you have been a member here since 2009, what have you traditionally used to get DMT?....
Keep trying..... Here to help bro ..... G

 

[acacian]

just for reference 15g caustic soda to every 150ml water will give a ph 13
that sure is a lot of bark to get absolutely no dmt..
how separated was it from the tree itself?

 

[SLiCeR]

[/quote]
Mate, 2kg is a lot of work to find no DMT, albeit a bit on the commercial side !!!, I feel for you. Why not do a small test extraction, say 50 gms. I have used 'old' dead bark and got nothing, any idea how long the bark you used had been sitting. White ants LOVE DMT.... !! maybe. You could also buy some Ehrich test kits to test for indoles first.... (info if required)
I find Shellite to be just fine, but it is all I have used so I cant speak for anything else.
Your final precip will be from a yellowish mixture, so.....
Either you had no DMT in the first place..... ie, too old or not acuminata OR....
the tek you used did not work. I am doubtful of the 200gms of NaOH was enough (what was the volume of the liquid you added this to ?)
I used 150gms with 1lt of extract from 200gms of dried/powdered fresh bark to get 2gms of yellowish DMT. when I re-x I had 1.5gms of nice clean DMT.
Are you in WA ? if not, A. burkittii is in WA and NSW and by all reports is a good alternative to Acuminata but still in the family of the 'Jam' group of Acacia. I notice you have been a member here since 2009, what have you traditionally used to get DMT?....
Keep trying..... Here to help bro ..... G [/quote]


Hahahaha yeah 2kg is on the commercial side but please understand i in no way planned on selling DMT in any way, the only reason i decided to do such a bug extraction was because i found an Acuminata that was on the edge of death and because i dont have my own place and my dad was getting sick of the smell in his house (he knows what im doing and is cool with it he just gets paranoid as hell and i hate doing it there) i basically didnt want to have to run another extraction in a few years at least.

Anyway i have already done a test ext and filed my reports here (ill put the thread link here once i turn my pc on) it was highly succesful and i only used minimal phylodes and mainly twigs. I have a feeling the tek i used is..., wait for it... Shit
I cant believe it, i should of stuck to the original, but i just dont get it how can the tek return nothing? I mean i got more plant oil than DMT in my freeze percip bowl. The tek is an updated version of the lex tek so i assumed it would be better.

I still have my extraction liquid in my hdpe container as i didnt want to throw it all away, there must be some DMT in there.... Maybe i should reduce the liquid even further before adding more naphtha and trying to do another pull? I dont have the container here but im sure there was at least 6 litres in it (ill get my dad to check it and edit my post soon)

My finall precip was from yellow naptha but the amount of DMT was minimal. Wen i did the test ext i simply reduced my shellite and one soft blow to the liquid would send dmt crashing out of the solvent (could be seen as white clouds forming)

I have a bunch of phylodes and twigs from the same tree so im going to run an ext on that but dont wanna abandon my bark ext.

The other problem i had was fckin containers!!! All the containers i would mix my layers in would constantly break there seals making it impossible to re seal and then impossible to shake the mixture and mix the layers without shit spurting all through the kitchen! What containers should i use? Anyone from WA know of tried and tested containers?

Yeah i am in WA's south west.

Originally i was in Canada for about 6 months and simply ordering mimosa bark powdered online (man those where the days) i really miss STB right now

 

[SLiCeR]

just for reference 15g caustic soda to every 150ml water will give a ph 13
that sure is a lot of bark to get absolutely no dmt..
how separated was it from the tree itself?

Well some pieces had already fallen off but alot of it was just peeling off the tree in a way and very easy to remove.

 

[Gowpen]

Try reducing before the pulls ..:thumb_up: oh also, I use premium orange juice 1.5lt bottles......

 

[wearepeople]

I've always wondered about the 200g recommendation in The DMT Handbook.

Just seems like too little.

Following The DMT HandBook, I did a 200g MHRB with a scaled down amount of lye (20g). I got emulsions. Added more lye and dH20 and all was well.

 

[Gowpen]

I've always wondered about the 200g recommendation in The DMT Handbook.

Just seems like too little.

Following The DMT HandBook, I did a 200g MHRB with a scaled down amount of lye (20g). I got emulsions. Added more lye and dH20 and all was well.

I would use way more NaOH than that, maybe 100+gms dissolved into 200ml water...

 

[SLiCeR]

Try reducing before the pulls ..:thumb_up: oh also, I use premium orange juice 1.5lt bottles......

What should i reduce it too?

Thanks for the tip on container mate