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Acacia Confusa: Phyllodes

TheGreenPhantom

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After a successful extraction run on 153 grams of A. confusa phyllodes taken from an old, C-shaped tree struggling on the side of a forgotten road in the woods, another extraction was decidedly in order. That first extraction produced a viscous, brown/orange resin that was extremely visual and physically sensual, inviting, warm and friendly. I expected that the second extraction, taken from another tree, would be the same – but this was not the case.

My first experience with A. confusa phyllodes is here, if you're interested:
Post in thread 'The Acacia Confusa thread' The Acacia Confusa thread

TAKE 2
Phyllodes were collected from a vigorous, bushy young tree about 8-10 meters high, growing on a sunny ridge overlooking the city sprawl below. It was mid-afternoon on a sunny day as I pushed my way through the head-high grass with my dog. I don't know about any of this spiritual stuff, so I cleared out a space in the shade beneath the tree, opened my knapsack and cracked the first of 4 brews. My dog lay down next to me. By the middle of the third brew, the timing felt right and I got to picking. I didn't break any branches, just picked the stems running along them. After I filled my knapsack, I took a nap.

The phyllodes were air dried for a few days before being dried out in a convection oven in small batches at 100°C, for 60 minutes. Instead of being ground into a powder, which was somewhat difficult to work with and strain, the phyllodes were crushed up by hand and separated from the twigs. In this, I differed from my first extraction, where the phyllodes were ground down to a fine powder.

156.8 grams of phyllodes were placed in a pot and covered with filtered water brought down to a pH of 3.5 with rice vinegar. I had to add more water and vinegar within the first 15 minutes since the dried leaves absorbed so much of it. This was simmered for 1.5 hours; the tea was then strained into a jar and the process repeated two more times.

The three teas were then combined and simmered down to ~550ml. The resulting tea was brown with orange highlights and had an oily film floating across the surface, with lots of silt that could not be filtered through a coffee filter. It occured to me to do an initial defat with naphtha or toluene, but I didn't wind up doing this. Maybe next time.

36g of salt was added to ~130ml of boiling water; this was then added to the tea.

150g of lye was added to 300ml of water, then added to the salted tea, turning it black.

Two days later, 5 naphtha pulls using a heat bath were done. The naphtha was a golden yellow with a slight green hue. On cooling, greenish particles precipitated.

Toluene was then added to draw out whatever might be left; 1/4 of it immediately turned into an indistinct brownish emulsion. After the toluene was pulled, another amount of toluene was added and pulled, then combined with the first toluene pull. Upon evaporation, 43mg of orange resin was left behind. Smoking produced a slight rush not unlike Anadenanthera perigrina, which subsided in mere seconds. This was followed by absolutely nothing.

After pulling out the thick, oily emulsion caused by the toluene, another amount of toluene was added. This evaporated down to 99mg of orange resin which had mild somatic and psychological activity – a +1 (at most) on the Shulgin scale.

The naphtha pulls were evaporated down to a greenish-black resin that weighed only 764mg. Correct my math if I'm wrong, but I believe that to be a yield of .487%.

25mg of this naphtha-derived resin was loaded into The Machine and smoked. No effects were felt, so more resin was eye-balled and loaded into The Machine. After a huge, smoky hit, only mild pressure around the eyes was felt. Once I laid down and closed my eyes, some dream-like CEVs were seen.

In an attempt to separate the wheat from the shaff, 747mg of the greenish-black resin was dissolved in 26ml of naphtha, warmed by a heat bath. After sitting for 30 minutes, a lot of grayish-green particles precipitated. The orange-green naphtha was poured into a freezer dish, leaving the particulate matter behind. The freezer dish was left in the refrigerator for a few hours before bing transferred to the freezer.

After a day in the freezer, the dish was pulled out. There were NO crystals, so the naphtha was set outside to evaporate for a few hours before being put back into the freezer for two days. Some crystals formed, and some of the naphtha was poured off – but not all. Blowing on the naphtha caused white clouds to form. Rather than pour off unprecipitated product, the naphtha was set outside to evaporate.

A waxy, slightly sticky residue resulted. A large, booger-sized portion weighed in at only 13mg. It tasted like spice, but produced no effects.

A few days later, around 50mg of the snot-like/booger material was loaded up into The Machine and smoked. The 15-20 minute bodyload was a +2 on the Shulgin scale – similar in strength to smoking good Cannabis; the visuals were quite mild: a +1. I think that had the experiment been carried out after dark, the visuals would have been slightly improved.

A bit disappointing for all the work involved, but the experience may have yielded some insight on what type of tree to look for. I plan to use a UV light next time to corroborate my hunch.
 
Great report, even if this second extraction could be counted as less successful. There are nuances we can glean from reports such as this, the most important of which really stood out to me from the start:
an old, C-shaped tree struggling on the side of a forgotten road in the woods
What was the state of the second tree? I get the impression that it was thriving rather than struggling. It would also be interesting to know how the ground beneath the two separate trees compares.

Otoh, this could just be a coincidence that comes down to genetics, and/or different weather conditions/time of day/month/year//positions of the planets//the hyperspace elves playing tricks with us - but Occam's razor suggests at least a major contribution from the initial hypothesis - what do you think?
 
Good questions!

The phyllodes from the C-shaped tree were collected at the beginning of May (springtime) in the afternoon around 3 o'clock. I don't recall it having flowers, but in April, most of the acacias were in full bloom with tiny yellow round fluffy flowers. It was growing next to a disused concrete road on a ridge, and was a runt in comparison to the trees around it; it was shorter than the surrounding treeline and only got light by virtue of it being at the side of paved area at the top of a ridge. The other trees, which towered over it, grew from lower positions. The trunk was quite thick, and it seemed fairly old. I would venture to say that some of its roots went under the concrete slab road, since it was growing literally centimeters away from it. The top of the C pointed westward; the arch of the C was in an eastern direction.

The phyllodes of the second tree, which seemed much younger in comparison to the first due to its thinner trunk and young punk attitude, were collected at the end of May, also around 3pm. The tree was vigorous, healthy, branched out in a spheroid shape, and had no other trees around it – which is a bit unusual since acacias in my area like to grow in clusters. It grew in a grassy area along a ridge in full sunlight. This tree had a few dried up flowers from flowering season in April, and one or two seed pods which I accidentally toasted and were discarded.

Precipitation history in my area is inexact due to it detailing only the larger county nearby, which extends from sea to high mountains. I can confirm it was a beautiful sunny day in the woods both times. If it had rained, I'd venture to say it was at least a week prior to picking.
 
TAKE 3

September 7, 2025: high of 34°C, low of 25°C; 1009.73 mbar @ 5pm; 30mm rain over 5 hours, from 5pm –10pm.

September 8, 2025: 12am, 25°C, 1014 mbar; 9am, 32°C, 1011.84 mbar; 11am, 34°C, 1011.63 mbar; humidity ~75%.

(According to what I've read, a "lower" barometric pressure increases sap flow within trees, especially on a hot day following a cool night. I observed lots of sap dripping out of the injury of an unrelated species of tree near the acacias.)

Went foraging on the morning of September 8th, 9:30–11am. The day was sunny and clear with deep blue skies and full visibility. I could see the mountains 65km away! The night before – about 15 hours before – it rained heavily for an hour, with steady drizzling for two hours both before and after the heavy rains. So in total, a total of 30mm of precipitation over the course of 5 hours.

Someone had put money and muscle into clearing my favorite "forgotten" mountain road through the woods. In the process of pushing back the forest, several trees were damaged, and two – my favorites – were no longer to be found. The C-shaped tree I'd gotten my first batch of phyllodes from, and a 30 meter-long tree that had been partly uprooted during a wind storm long ago and was laying across the road so that you had to crawl under it, were gone. These were the two trees I'd been aiming to visit.

Instead, I was treated to several backhoe-damaged trees with plenty of fresh bark waiting to be clipped off. I also plucked a bunch of phyllodes, mostly from short, scraggly, C-shaped trees. I tried to pluck only phyllodes that seemed older and were dark green, believing these would be more potent.

The phyllodes were dried out on the floor over the course of a week. I'd prefer to put them out in the sun, but my neighbors are nosey. Temperatures ranged from 34°C–36°C during the day, with humidity at least 70%. I noticed that they got greener on the second or third day; I probably should have stuck them in the oven at that point, but didn't. The following week, the phyllodes were dried out completely in a convection oven at 100°C for ~50 minutes, and separated from the twigs.

From 323g of dried and powdered phyllodes, 160g were weighed out and placed in a pot with ~1.9L of water. Vinegar was added until the pH dropped to 3.6. This was simmered for an hour, then poured off into a collection jar, leaving the phyllode powder behind.

More water and vinegar were added to the phyllode powder; this was left to seep for ~24 hours. The next day, the tea was simmered for an hour, and then poured off. The first two teas had an olive green/yellow color.

The process of seeping for 24 hours then simmering for an hour was repeated a third and last time, yielding an amber tea.

The three teas were simmered down to ~700ml and strained through a T-shirt into a glass jar, which was put in the fridge overnight. The next day, the tea was poured off, leaving the sludgy residue behind. It was further simmered down to 450ml.

40g of salt in 150ml water was added boiling hot. The salted tea was placed into a bottle and refrigerated overnight to allow more solids to precipitate. The next day, the tea was poured into a volumetric flask, with most of the sludge being left behind in the bottle.

At this point, 150g of lye and 200ml of water were added. The color changed from olive yellow/green to orange. In retrospect, I should have poured out the soup and used a pH meter to check, but instead I decided to add an additional 75g of lye. The soup remained an amber color, even after shaking, but I decided to let it be and check on it later.

The next day, the soup was black. The flask was placed into a heat bath at 60°C with heptane topping off the neck. It was shaken multiple times over the course of an hour or so, at which point the heptane was removed with a pipette and placed in a freezer dish. After 24 hours in the freezer, there was no precipitate – only two tiny snowballs. So the heptane was left out to evaporate (some of it already did in the freezer, surprisingly).

Pull 1: 40ml heptane – 10mg brown goo.
Pull 2: 62.5ml toluene – 28mg brown goo; all smoked, no effects.
Pull 3: 54.2ml toluene – 22mg runny brown goo; all smoked with no effects beyond a tickle of a bodyload.
Pull 4: 50ml naphtha (heat bath) – placed in freezer; 3 snowflakes only.
Pull 5: 52ml naphtha (heat bath).
=Pulls 4 and 5 cleared up the thick white gooey clouds hovering above the base soup. They were combined and evaporated to yield 42mg of runny amber oil.
Pull 6: 50ml 50/50 naphtha/toluene – 13mg clear brown resin.

Total yield (insert gameshow trombone sound here): 115mg

Well, I'm not giving up. I had success on my first try, so I know phyllodes work – it's just a matter of finding the right tree.
 
Someone had put money and muscle into clearing my favorite "forgotten" mountain road through the woods. In the process of pushing back the forest, several trees were damaged, and two – my favorites – were no longer to be found.
Sorry to hear about it. I hope the habitat as a whole still stands and flourishes 🌳
Instead, I was treated to several backhoe-damaged trees with plenty of fresh bark waiting to be clipped off.
As a former acacia aficionado, I'd pick the hell out of all damaged or dying trees. I worked with acacia bark for years, and if I were living near the living plants, I most likely would never stop. It's a very warm and kind spirit, but with a secret behind it. Kudos to anyone who can go all the way into acacia; it's not an easy task.
 
The habitat stands. Only plants on or within a meter of the road got pruned. It's also just one tiny portion of a much larger forest. 😊

I'm wondering how much the rain contributed to the lack of yield, or if it was my choice of trees... Interestingly, I'm currently running an extraction on the 1-4mm in diameter twigs that I separated from my "harvest," and the yield is soooooo much better! I've yet to bioassay the bright orange goo, so we'll see. I'll be posting soon...
 
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