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00Dodo00

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Which cold-resistant acacia species are the most reliable in terms of amount of spices they contain?
I read maidenii, obtusifolia, acuminata, but there are conflicting opinions here on Nexus too
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From my understanding A. acuminta is more consistently higher yielding especially narrow phyllode. And best part is all you need is phyllodes for extraction. Maidenii is not as cold hardy it wont do frost well. A. acuminta is a bit more picky for soils than some other active acacias, it needs decent draining soil and prefer sandy loam.
 
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Yes, acuminata seems the best in terms of percentage and tolerance to cold, but is a slow growing strain. If I'm not wrong, acacias in general tend to produce more goo than crystal?
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00Dodo00 said:
Yes, acuminata seems the best in terms of percentage and tolerance to cold, but is a slow growing strain. If I'm not wrong, acacias in general tend to produce more goo than crystal?
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They can give goo depending on the process like ozzy_chronik states. Especially if your new to extractions and using standard teks. There are ways around it. If you look at the analysis thread here The Acacia Analysis Thread - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus , you'll see one sample of obtusifolia did produce a cleaner profile just over narrow phyllode acuminata but did not produce a higher amount overall. In addition, other obtusifolia samples were lower than narrow variant, (from limited data we have so far).
Acuminata like a lot of acacia aren't what I call slow growing at all and ime produce dmt very early on. If you're after cold hardiest phlebophylla would be a good choice flouribunda is another but neither are as high yeilding as acuminata. Phlebophylla can survive snow but is harder to find seeds for. It also regularly drops big dried up phyllodes perfect for collect and extracting.
 
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All of the above mentioned species are great candidates to grow for their own reasons.. if after highest yield or consistently clean then yeah acuminata makes sense. But then it's slower growing than the rest of the above mentioned species. Obtusifolia is frost hardy, not as high yielding as acuminata but imo a more interesting plant - and in cultivation grows pretty fast. Floribunda is great too - frost/drought hardy, fast growing.. commercial cultivar is inactive so try and source seed from confirmed DMT containing form. And phlebophylla.. what can I say.. its a powerful plant.. all of these species are. The difference in yield is not gonna impact you hugely if its growing in your own yard, as you'll have a replenishing source.. and anything 0.3% and above is perfectly fine and useable. Sometimes lower yielding plants have some of the most interesting extracts!

I grow all of the above.. they are all unique and add their own character to your garden. I'd be heartbroken if I could only pick one.. are you only planning on growing one species or can you grow a few?

@_Trip_ ... with the exception of maidenii I'd be surprised if any of the above species couldn't survive snow.. even maidenii has gotten through our northern table lands winter and its fine. Even a couple other sub tropical species are doing great.. even colei is still kicking! Acacias are tough. If I were to throw in a vote for the toughest I'd have to say floribunda.. its not phased by much. None of my acacias died from the winter this year.. and they are all young. So I think they're tougher than they're given credit for.
 
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They can give goo depending on the process like ozzy_chronik states. Especially if your new to extractions and using standard teks. There are ways around it. If you look at the analysis thread here The Acacia Analysis Thread - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus , you'll see one sample of obtusifolia did produce a cleaner profile just over narrow phyllode acuminata but did not produce a higher amount overall. In addition, other obtusifolia samples were lower than narrow variant, (from limited data we have so far).
Acuminata like a lot of acacia aren't what I call slow growing at all and ime produce dmt very early on. If you're after cold hardiest phlebophylla would be a good choice flouribunda is another but neither are as high yeilding as acuminata. Phlebophylla can survive snow but is harder to find seeds for. It also regularly drops big dried up phyllodes perfect for collect and extracting.
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Thanks for the info.
Based on the link you sent me, It seems that both the narrow variety and the broad variety have good spice values. Here on Nexus many seem to discard the broad and favor the narrow.
I took a look at the phlebophylla, and it seems very interesting 🧐
Even if some people say that it cannot be grown outside its natural environment and if it passes the initial phase, it dies after a few years....🥲
it is quite difficult to find because of its restricted range, but there is a supplier in Europe...
 
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Hello @acacian
I came to the same conclusions as you..

I still have to think about it due to space and climate problems (some nights it can reach -7° Celsius).🥶
It's not clear to me how much slower the acuminata is to grow, here i saw that the analyzed plants were 3 years old, so in a relatively short time they were already able to give good results. you were talking about the colei, that is a tropical species, do you think it can resist low temperatures?
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All of the above mentioned species are great candidates to grow for their own reasons.. if after highest yield or consistently clean then yeah acuminata makes sense. But then it's slower growing than the rest of the above mentioned species. Obtusifolia is frost hardy, not as high yielding as acuminata but imo a more interesting plant - and in cultivation grows pretty fast. Floribunda is great too - frost/drought hardy, fast growing.. commercial cultivar is inactive so try and source seed from confirmed DMT containing form. And phlebophylla.. what can I say.. its a powerful plant.. all of these species are. The difference in yield is not gonna impact you hugely if its growing in your own yard, as you'll have a replenishing source.. and anything 0.3% and above is perfectly fine and useable. Sometimes lower yielding plants have some of the most interesting extracts!

I grow all of the above.. they are all unique and add their own character to your garden. I'd be heartbroken if I could only pick one.. are you only planning on growing one species or can you grow a few?

@_Trip_ ... with the exception of maidenii I'd be surprised if any of the above species couldn't survive snow.. even maidenii has gotten through our northern table lands winter and its fine. Even a couple other sub tropical species are doing great.. even colei is still kicking! Acacias are tough. If I were to throw in a vote for the toughest I'd have to say floribunda.. its not phased by much. None of my acacias died from the winter this year.. and they are all young. So I think they're tougher than they're given credit for.
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Hello @acacian
I came to the same conclusions as you..

I still have to think about it due to space and climate problems (some nights it can reach -7° Celsius).🥶
It's not clear to me how much slower the acuminata is to grow, here The Acacia Analysis Thread - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus i saw that the analyzed plants were 3 years old, so in a relatively short time they were already able to give good results. you were talking about the colei, that is a tropical species, do you think it can resist low temperatures?
 
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Hello @acacian
I came to the same conclusions as you..

I still have to think about it due to space and climate problems (some nights it can reach -7° Celsius).🥶
It's not clear to me how much slower the acuminata is to grow, here i saw that the analyzed plants were 3 years old, so in a relatively short time they were already able to give good results. you were talking about the colei, that is a tropical species, do you think it can resist low temperatures?


Hello @acacian
I came to the same conclusions as you..

I still have to think about it due to space and climate problems (some nights it can reach -7° Celsius).🥶
It's not clear to me how much slower the acuminata is to grow, here The Acacia Analysis Thread - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus i saw that the analyzed plants were 3 years old, so in a relatively short time they were already able to give good results. you were talking about the colei, that is a tropical species, do you think it can resist low temperatures?
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@_Trip_ ... with the exception of maidenii I'd be surprised if any of the above species couldn't survive snow.. even maidenii has gotten through our northern table lands winter and its fine. Even a couple other sub tropical species are doing great.. even colei is still kicking! Acacias are tough. If I were to throw in a vote for the toughest I'd have to say floribunda.. its not phased by much. None of my acacias died from the winter this year.. and they are all young. So I think they're tougher than they're given credit fofor.
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Yh interesting Acacian, I've lost every maidenii I've ever tried to grow due to frost or extreme heat I'm very interested in A. colei. Will be attempting to grow this spring.
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Even if some people say that it cannot be grown outside its natural environment and if it passes the initial phase, it dies after a few years....🥲
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I'm not sure where this (what seems to be a myth) comes from. I've got a phleb that is quite a few years old now and doesn't want to slow down. I also know of people who have phlebs that are thriving well and must be minimum 6 years old. They also produce some awesome hybrids with acuminata, flouribunda etc. Get the soil mix right and acacias will do well.

-7c phlebophylla would do easy. My acuminatas do down to -4 fine even my courtii has done down to -4 (doesn't like the cold much though) . Iirc northern table lands where Acacian has grown these plants gets down to -10. So I'd listen to his advice if I were you 00Dodo00.
 
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Species wise you're all over it. Narrow phyllode acuminata (quantity) or active floribunda (speed) are probably your best bets. Obtusi is great too, phleb is probably too hard to source seed and keep thriving. There are others I'd recommend for slightly warmer but where you're at that's great.

I've never gotten goo if I backsalt/mini AB on my initial xylene pulls, only gorgeous crystals. Not that goo should be feared, but embraced if that's what appears :D
 
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Species wise you're all over it. Narrow phyllode acuminata (quantity) or active floribunda (speed) are probably your best bets. Obtusi is great too, phleb is probably too hard to source seed and keep thriving. There are others I'd recommend for slightly warmer but where you're at that's great.

I've never gotten goo if I backsalt/mini AB on my initial xylene pulls, only gorgeous crystals. Not that goo should be feared, but embraced if that's what appears :D
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I agree, at least according to the sources these seem the best

for warmer climates probably Confusa and even Hostilis if well sheltered

the goo is probably more a psychological issue😂
 
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_Trip_ said:
Yh interesting Acacian, I've lost every maidenii I've ever tried to grow due to frost or extreme heat I'm very interested in A. colei. Will be attempting to grow this spring.

I'm not sure where this (what seems to be a myth) comes from. I've got a phleb that is quite a few years old now and doesn't want to slow down. I also know of people who have phlebs that are thriving well and must be minimum 6 years old. They also produce some awesome hybrids with acuminata, flouribunda etc. Get the soil mix right and acacias will do well.

-7c phlebophylla would do easy. My acuminatas do down to -4 fine even my courtii has done down to -4 (doesn't like the cold much though) . Iirc northern table lands where Acacian has grown these plants gets down to -10. So I'd listen to his advice if I were you 00Dodo00.
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Is It possible that they hybridize even in the wild and that causes misunderstandings about the species that we are really dealing with?🤔
 
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They do hybridize in the wild quite a lot and new hybrids I'd say are constantly being formed. The lines get a bit blurry with some species. Floribunda being one of them. Obtuse, maidenii and phlebophylla are all known to hybridize as well. Phleb is known to hybridize with Acacia alpina and Acacia dallachiana in the wild, but now that it is more widely cultivated I think we will see quite a few start forming. An exciting time.. I bet some very cool hybrids will be produced in the coming years!
 
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They do hybridize in the wild quite a lot and new hybrids I'd say are constantly being formed. The lines get a bit blurry with some species. Floribunda being one of them. Obtuse, maidenii and phlebophylla are all known to hybridize as well. Phleb is known to hybridize with Acacia alpina and Acacia dallachiana in the wild, but now that it is more widely cultivated I think we will see quite a few start forming. An exciting time.. I bet some very cool hybrids will be produced in the coming years!
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Hope so
Create a hybrid to make it cold/hot resistant, cultivable at almost any latitude and reliable would be a good step forward
 
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