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ledsmoke

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Hey guys/gals.

So been going through a "Dark night of the Soul", Depersonalization, Kundalini, whatever you wish to call the process and pretty much i'm wrapped in fear and have a loss of sense of self.

Seems all advice I find on the matter is to Accept it or surrender to it.

So my question is really how do I do those things? Love the state of fear?
 
So been going through a "Dark night of the Soul", Depersonalization
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i love how you combined these two things because i am living both but only now i could see that depersonalization is a big part of the nigredo...

i've been living this since 6-7 months now, i am much much better it was so hard at the beginning so full of pain and suffering, i am not sure what triggered it exactly DMT, harmalas, love,... or my true wish to rise and go beyond... probably all together

there's no way back, you can never go back as before, of course this state will change (into something very beautiful) but you will never be back, you will never see and feel life or yourself as you saw them before so yes the first move is to accept all this, that this is you this u this what you are now and you brought it on yourself, you asked for it and it's your path that you should live till the end..

the fear that you are losing it that everything is slipping away that you can't feel anymore not even your own existence, the fear that you will fail in life the only way is to let go of it just trust life and let go, you will see how life is so easy to be lived no need to worry about anything life is so easy that it doesn't require you to do anything to live it, it will keep going just flow with it...

one interesting feeling is how fake and empty everything is, an illusion fell and that's why you can't feel anything anymore because everything before was giving you a fake feeling of being alive, you can feel alive again but you should learn to let that spring of life flow from inside you, you are the source of life...

i honestly fear nothing, literally nothing whatever happen happens with me i have found safety inside i know i am an "overcomer" whatever comes i will overcome it, i have no dreams, i am living a very godly love and i have no fear of losing it, i fantasize about two things all day, being eternally in heaven with my beloved flying and merging or being in the valley alone suffering eternally. i literally feel eternal...

in this state you feel you feel detached from everything and this detachment you were seeking and asking for it feels forced on you, i lost all interest in everything in nature in the universe in everything outside me so i had to start diving inside and i found in me something that is infinitely greater than me, you can call it my higher self...

no i am still like a ghost or just a soul wandering around but i am pretty much at peace and with little to no pain, there's still so much i can talk about i hope this was helpful, if you want to talk about something more specific i will tell you more about what i went through..

ohh and there's still the part of the inspiration, when you are terribly lost and in unbearable pain and you're losing it and cried all your tears and you just truly let go and trust god/life and put yourself completely between his hands with no fear of what will come inspiration will come on you from the sky and you will be greatly relieved it will pull you from the deepest hole and raise you really high...

so my advise to you is accept this state, let go of your fears and flow with life just trust it trust god.
<3
 
Will come back and right more later, just don't got much time.

How exactly do I accept? How do I let go?

I've circled the word accept for so long that i just don't get what it means anymore.

Will definitely come back later this evening and ask you some questions as well.
 
ledsmoke said:
Hey guys/gals.

So been going through a "Dark night of the Soul", Depersonalization, Kundalini, whatever you wish to call the process and pretty much i'm wrapped in fear and have a loss of sense of self.

Seems all advice I find on the matter is to Accept it or surrender to it.

So my question is really how do I do those things? Love the state of fear?
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Take some time and go live life. Sense of Self will wander back, as long as you tend to things in your daily life. Life and baseline perception is persistent, it comes back. There's no secret to it really, just go live a bit. :)

Mind flows where attention goes.
 
See the fear as part of the process. Go into your fear. Look at it. Feel it. Don't fight or avoid it. Just sit with it. The fear transforms into something else. When it does you can let it go. This happens instantaneously.

We all attach ourselves to things in this life. People, things, emotions. Can you look at all these things as impermanent and temporary? Can you let your life go? Imagine you are dying and your next breath will be your last. Imagine you will no longer have all these attachments of life. Will you fear this? If you do... look into that fear as I described above.

You will die one day. Practice now for that day and you will learn how to live and let go. Life is so short. Let go now.
 
I've been there ..
What helped me the most was TIME but not just hanging around, trying to be a better person making the right moves when I had the oppertinities to!

Like some other people said everything is transient there's nothing that will last for YOUR forever; work towards your ideals and your perception of yourself and your surroundings will change it sounds as if your process is in its eArly stages! Best of luck don't worry time well spent does wonders
 
DmnStr8 said:
See the fear as part of the process. Go into your fear. Look at it. Feel it. Don't fight or avoid it. Just sit with it. The fear transforms into something else. When it does you can let it go. This happens instantaneously.

We all attach ourselves to things in this life. People, things, emotions. Can you look at all these things as impermanent and temporary? Can you let your life go? Imagine you are dying and your next breath will be your last. Imagine you will no longer have all these attachments of life. Will you fear this? If you do... look into that fear as I described above.

You will die one day. Practice now for that day and you will learn how to live and let go. Life is so short. Let go now.
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I guess i'm more attached to my mind/ emotions. As far as letting life go, that's the very core of what this is teaching me I feel. Life just passes by and i'm not really attached to anything except I guess solidity instead of this unknown.

I guess looking into myself now I realize I've attached to the solidity because I don't think I can live a happy life in my current state of being which is a false perspective.

Also, thank you very much for replying. 😁
 
Orbiting said:
I've been there ..
What helped me the most was TIME but not just hanging around, trying to be a better person making the right moves when I had the oppertinities to!

Like some other people said everything is transient there's nothing that will last for YOUR forever; work towards your ideals and your perception of yourself and your surroundings will change it sounds as if your process is in its eArly stages! Best of luck don't worry time well spent does wonders
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Recently I've finally started getting on with life but for 2 years I've fought this thing head on 24/7 and I'm wore out. But moving forward has helped lower stress and bring some mental clarity in. In a since I guess by denying fear I in turn deny parts of myself.
 
ledsmoke said:
Orbiting said:
I've been there ..
What helped me the most was TIME but not just hanging around, trying to be a better person making the right moves when I had the oppertinities to!

Like some other people said everything is transient there's nothing that will last for YOUR forever; work towards your ideals and your perception of yourself and your surroundings will change it sounds as if your process is in its eArly stages! Best of luck don't worry time well spent does wonders
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Recently I've finally started getting on with life but for 2 years I've fought this thing head on 24/7 and I'm wore out. But moving forward has helped lower stress and bring some mental clarity in. In a since I guess by denying fear I in turn deny parts of myself.
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Perhaps something to keep in mind is fear (or any emotions for that matter) are responses to environmental or internal happenings that are based off of your world view (this does not need to remain the same, the world view that is) in my life when something wasn't sitting with me correctly most often it was out of my control and to get past it I could give it up to "God" (omnipotent Being of your choice) and try my best to align my world view more along this vein (as opposed to my "old" consensus reality which never has done me much good as it is self generated by my very imperfect brain!

Fighting is a struggle ; surrendering the desire/ illusion of control is easy. That is if you can do it! As dmnstr8 said

Do it ! Let go! Don't let old stuffy ideas limit you! and the idea that you must remain in solitude sounds stuffy to me! Best of luck
 
little inebriated right now, like I stated earlier how does one let go or accept?
I've mulled over those 2 concepts for hours. thinking " Well if I can accept or let go of this all my issues will be over"
I know it's not really a how but my mind keeps grasping for something to cling to so it can follow it.
 
ledsmoke said:
little inebriated right now, like I stated earlier how does one let go or accept?
I've mulled over those 2 concepts for hours. thinking " Well if I can accept or let go of this all my issues will be over"
I know it's not really a how but my mind keeps grasping for something to cling to so it can follow it.
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Stop asking the question and stop mulling over the concept for hours. Just be. Then you will let go.

Also, letting go isn't going to magically solve all your issues. Once you come down off the mountain reality is still there waiting for you.

Chop wood, carry water, and all that.

Good luck.
 
ledsmoke said:
little inebriated right now, like I stated earlier how does one let go or accept?
I've mulled over those 2 concepts for hours. thinking " Well if I can accept or let go of this all my issues will be over"
I know it's not really a how but my mind keeps grasping for something to cling to so it can follow it.
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Read what I wrote.
 
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Tattvamasi said:
Read what I wrote.
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Read what I wrote.
Read what I wrote.
Read what I wrote.
Read what I wrote.
Read what I wrote.
Read what I wrote.
Read what I wrote.

... yeah, I "think" it's working, at least for the moment where I read what you wrote, "read what I wrote".

A little joking in the morning, to start the day with a smilie. All the best, tseuq
 
Ledsmoke has read what Tatt wrote, like in "reading" :p

How can one let go?
The most close and effective way to obtain this objective is the practicing of a famous technique which is heavily underestimated and simultaneously overestimated by stopping of activities that are functioning directly in opposite of "letting go". Sort of ....
 
Sakkadelic said:
So been going through a "Dark night of the Soul", Depersonalization
Click to expand...
i love how you combined these two things because i am living both but only now i could see that depersonalization is a big part of the nigredo...

i've been living this since 6-7 months now, i am much much better it was so hard at the beginning so full of pain and suffering, i am not sure what triggered it exactly DMT, harmalas, love,... or my true wish to rise and go beyond... probably all together

there's no way back, you can never go back as before, of course this state will change (into something very beautiful) but you will never be back, you will never see and feel life or yourself as you saw them before so yes the first move is to accept all this, that this is you this u this what you are now and you brought it on yourself, you asked for it and it's your path that you should live till the end..

the fear that you are losing it that everything is slipping away that you can't feel anymore not even your own existence, the fear that you will fail in life the only way is to let go of it just trust life and let go, you will see how life is so easy to be lived no need to worry about anything life is so easy that it doesn't require you to do anything to live it, it will keep going just flow with it...

one interesting feeling is how fake and empty everything is, an illusion fell and that's why you can't feel anything anymore because everything before was giving you a fake feeling of being alive, you can feel alive again but you should learn to let that spring of life flow from inside you, you are the source of life...

i honestly fear nothing, literally nothing whatever happen happens with me i have found safety inside i know i am an "overcomer" whatever comes i will overcome it, i have no dreams, i am living a very godly love and i have no fear of losing it, i fantasize about two things all day, being eternally in heaven with my beloved flying and merging or being in the valley alone suffering eternally. i literally feel eternal...

in this state you feel you feel detached from everything and this detachment you were seeking and asking for it feels forced on you, i lost all interest in everything in nature in the universe in everything outside me so i had to start diving inside and i found in me something that is infinitely greater than me, you can call it my higher self...

no i am still like a ghost or just a soul wandering around but i am pretty much at peace and with little to no pain, there's still so much i can talk about i hope this was helpful, if you want to talk about something more specific i will tell you more about what i went through..

ohh and there's still the part of the inspiration, when you are terribly lost and in unbearable pain and you're losing it and cried all your tears and you just truly let go and trust god/life and put yourself completely between his hands with no fear of what will come inspiration will come on you from the sky and you will be greatly relieved it will pull you from the deepest hole and raise you really high...

so my advise to you is accept this state, let go of your fears and flow with life just trust it trust god.
<3
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Oddly enough we both had similar things that triggered it. Mine mainly due to a large use of psychedelics and the wish to leave and go beyond.
I've been going through it for about 2 years. The first of which was just constant existensial anxiety and looking for a solution. I became a hermit and bottled up for the first year. I was in shock in a way.

Your post was extremely easy to relate to. It was also very helpful and insightful to see another s perspective on this.


To all of you though, I truly do appreciate your help and you taking your time to offer advice.

Things have been coming together in the past week. Not as much anxiety
 
Well went out with friends today kayaking.

Finally actually felt and I mean physically feel anxiety which hasn't happened in a long time.
Usually all up in my head.

This helped me realize I get in my head by running from that anxiety. I run from the anxiety because I'm scared of myself and I'm running from myself.
Why I do not know, but I would have to guess pain.

I'm always running from being in the moment is what I realized as well.
 
All pain is temporary. As is this existence. Just drop it. Divert your attention. Experience, learn and enjoy. :thumb_up:

"The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry." - Unknown
 
ledsmoke said:
...hehe I assume you mean the exercise or leaving the past behind, not running from what is.
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Hmm, looks like split yes, but I hope to see you getting to the perceptive state where it all boils down to the same existence puddle and where differences stop being all that important, where it is still different yet becomes the same. Nothing to do with philosophy though but lived value. I hope this for so many people btw.
 
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