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Acceptance/Surrender

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Here's my only hang up.

I can go into an effortless being state where i still get some visual distortions but calm and it feels like I'm slipping away ( the ego I spose).

On the other hand I can distract from this and constantly do things to not be in this state but this requires effort.

So really how do I know that I've accepted and that I'm on the right path?

Really it boils down to how do I know I'm walking in the right direction? Path of least resistance?
 
a1pha said:
ledsmoke said:
little inebriated right now, like I stated earlier how does one let go or accept?
I've mulled over those 2 concepts for hours. thinking " Well if I can accept or let go of this all my issues will be over"
I know it's not really a how but my mind keeps grasping for something to cling to so it can follow it.
Stop asking the question and stop mulling over the concept for hours. Just be. Then you will let go.

Also, letting go isn't going to magically solve all your issues. Once you come down off the mountain reality is still there waiting for you.

Chop wood, carry water, and all that.

Good luck.

Don't want to create a loop but just be = let go

How does one be?

Be with myself as is? Seems I'm always looking for an escape from that.
 
It's natural to try and avoid suffering, still acceptance isn't a way of escaping what you're currently going through, if anything it's to face whatever is arising so that you can process it accordingly. The idea that through doing something called 'letting go' you'll be better off is only holding onto a future that doesn't exist.

Just Be isn't really an advice to do something, it's like suggesting to Be Still... anything you try to do isn't being still but another movement happening in the Stillness, just like you can't do Awareness as it's already present. So it's more of a call to stop thinking with your mind so much and remain as Awareness, where you aren't trying to get somewhere other than being here/where you are.

Jees (as usual) has a great approach... don't know how, knowing is closed, stay open, stay as the unknown.
 
Swarupa said:
It's natural to try and avoid suffering, still acceptance isn't a way of escaping what you're currently going through, if anything it's to face whatever is arising so that you can process it accordingly. The idea that through doing something called 'letting go' you'll be better off is only holding onto a future that doesn't exist.

Just Be isn't really an advice to do something, it's like suggesting to Be Still... anything you try to do isn't being still but another movement happening in the Stillness, just like you can't do Awareness as it's already present. So it's more of a call to stop thinking with your mind so much and remain as Awareness, where you aren't trying to get somewhere other than being here/where you are.

Jees (as usual) has a great approach... don't know how, knowing is closed, stay open, stay as the unknown.

This clicked with me today. Had one of the calmest days.
 
Sakkadelic said:
this what you are now and you brought it on yourself, you asked for it and it's your path that you should live till the end..

I don't understand or agree with what I think you are trying to say.

How does anyone bring psychosis on themselves anymore than someone brings the HIV virus on themselves. Sure they may have been in engaged in unprotected anal sex activity but the difference with homosexuals is that catching the HIV virus is very well established horror, depersonalization from DMT however is not. The majority of the threads in the "first steps in hyperspace" area are ones of ecstatic thankfulness etc etc.

When you sign up for DMT people rarely consider that it may turn them in to a depersonalized nightmare that cripples the contentedness of experience for months or even years after. So I don't believe "you bring it upon yourself".

The majority of true DMT user's intentions are to seek out higher consciousness, to see more than they ordinarily do. Rarely is it to "give me a horrible feeling of disconnection from myself and completely corrupt my ability to feel comfortable living in the world anymore, enough so that I am unnerved throughout most of the day"

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In response to the OP, I find meditating for long periods just ends up making my brain physically prominent to acceptance. In other words, after meditating... I can not accept, my brain just does it... probably because it is so calm and passive that it doesn't cling to things (suffering included). You see people who have meditated for long time and they just have this kind of glare in there eyes with a nice smile as if no matter what you couldn't upset them, I respect that a lot.

The trouble is actually forcing yourself to meditate, that is actually a really really really really hard task hey :?
 
n0thing said:
Sakkadelic said:
this what you are now and you brought it on yourself, you asked for it and it's your path that you should live till the end..

I don't understand or agree with what I think you are trying to say.

How does anyone bring psychosis on themselves anymore than someone brings the HIV virus on themselves. Sure they may have been in engaged in unprotected anal sex activity but the difference with homosexuals is that catching the HIV virus is very well established horror, depersonalization from DMT however is not. The majority of the threads in the "first steps in hyperspace" area are ones of ecstatic thankfulness etc etc.

When you sign up for DMT people rarely consider that it may turn them in to a depersonalized nightmare that cripples the contentedness of experience for months or even years after. So I don't believe "you bring it upon yourself".

The majority of true DMT user's intentions are to seek out higher consciousness, to see more than they ordinarily do. Rarely is it to "give me a horrible feeling of disconnection from myself and completely corrupt my ability to feel comfortable living in the world anymore, enough so that I am unnerved throughout most of the day"

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I'm sorry i didn't explain it well, i really didn't mean it in that way at all, what i believe in is that DMT or anything won't bring anything to you unless you really want it and truly asked for it, that it's about you before anything else.
For me i was living something very hard a lot of pain and anxiety and i was losing it and then i wished to be free of it I used to wish to be living free from the future and the past and it came on me as depersonalisation it wasn't easy to be living this depersonalisation but i am so grateful and i see it as a blessing, and i felt that what he is living is so similar to mine.
People don't understand this, they think to be enlightened is something easy to live, it's just so hard to be truly living in the moment for example, depersonalisation was a forced enlightenment forced detachment and to accept it and grow with it was hard.
I asked to be the way i am thinking it would be an easy turn but it wasn't it was magical but hard, change is hard, and i am so grateful how things went and how i am now.
I'm sorry again for the misunderstanding
 
don't you really understand how everything is so uncertain, that existence itself is a paradox and you're asking to know, that you want to know you're on the right path. there is understanding which is beyond knowing and thoughts, just like the non lasting feeling on DMT and other psychedelics of understanding everything... well you can build a lasting one bit by bit and every stone you add you have to shake the whole house to make sure it will never fall that's how i consider being on the right path, to be aware of what is happening with me, to face everything overcome it and go beyond it, my will is my path..

how to let go how to accept and surrender how to go beyond this.. there's nothing you can follow to do this, this is something you have to find it by yourself, of course many things can help, like asking about it and seeing other views and how others deal with it but at the end only your way will work and for me the biggest step is to truly ask for it, ask that you want to go beyond it have an intention and the rest will follow. i am telling you conclusions but this doesn't work you have to go through it, i mean i tell you to let go, but i didn't just let go it was a hard process to be able to let go the fear was strong..

if you believe in life in the magic of life and trust it over your unreasonable fears and doubts and flow with it then you will grow so beautifully with this magic beyond your current self

but believing is not easy
if i ask you to grab an electrical wire that is cut from both sides you surely will grab it with no fear, now if it was connected but you turned the circuit breaker off yourself you will grab but with a very slight fear, and if i turn it off and ask you will have greater fear but you're my friend and you will trust me and grab it, but if i was a total stranger maybe you"re crazy enough to trust me and you will grab it but now what if you knew nothing will you still grab it? this is true faith and believing, this is how it is with life, you know nothing about it you just have a feeling and you trust it and you let go of your fears and flow with it..

we are thrown into this life with no knowledge of anything deciding anything or favoring anything over the other or choosing a path over the other it's all meaningless, but here we are moving and going in different directions following our feelings, life is greater than me and i surrender to it i don't believe there is something better than the other and that's why i have no fear.

i don't know if my ideas are still consistent i king of forgot what i was trying to say and i am just saying what i feel
i hope it was helpful <3
 
Thanks for the replies nothing and Sakkadelic.

I wanted nothing more than to be free as well. I've vibed with everthing you've written sakkadelic.

Your right it's hard to let go through the fear. Most of all I'm scared of giving up control.
I trust life but it's hard for me right now to have that pure faith and belief.

Your post was very helpful. I read it this morning and it stuck with me for most of the day.
 
So I finally got into a state where I could observe things without becoming them. It was relaxing and thoughts no longer bothered me. Meditated and kept relaxing more then the fear struck me and I'm back at step one freaking out and looking for answers.
 
RhythmSpring said:
Can you accept your inability to force a state of acceptance?

Can you surrender to your inability to induce your own surrender?

I'm working on it, I figured out it's me trying to force surrender and acceptance that creates anxiety.

it almost feels like accepting helplessness.
 
ledsmoke said:
RhythmSpring said:
Can you accept your inability to force a state of acceptance?

Can you surrender to your inability to induce your own surrender?

I'm working on it, I figured out it's me trying to force surrender and acceptance that creates anxiety.

it almost feels like accepting helplessness.

Maybe you should

take up snowboarding
 
Still a little frustrated after creating the gap to where I can observe mental processes and losing it. Still trying to figure it out which is intellectualizing it. Just have a hard time giving up.
Seems the answer lies in doing nothing. It's peaceful without push pull.
 
The thing that got me through the dark night of the soul is the phrase "This too shall pass." Even if it takes a while, it will pass, don't fret, just relax and let it take the time it needs to take.
 


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