Acid for rue extraction

[DMTripper]

I've used vinegar with good results but can I use just lemon juice? How low does the pH need to go?

And is it necessary to grind the seeds?

 

[Michal_R]

To get the MAOI alkaloids out of the plant material, you don´t actually need to use any acid. IME, 3-4 brews in plain water will extract most of the alkaloids out of the plant material.

... And is it necessary to grind the seeds?

It actually never came to my mind to water-extract from whole seeds, but I am pretty sure that the yield would be much lower than from ground seeds...

 

[○]

Yes, ive used lemon juice. I put 2-3 tablespoons of juice per half liter of water when boiling. I dont think it's absolutely nescesary, but the few times when I boiled my seeds I grond them up prior. I put them in a Ziploc bag, folded the bag to get all the air out so the bag was flat, then I took a hammer to the bag while laying it on concrete. Ground about 90% of the seeds that way.


tat

 

[DMTripper]

Yes, ive used lemon juice. I put 2-3 tablespoons of juice per half liter of water when boiling. I dont think it's absolutely nescesary, but the few times when I boiled my seeds I grond them up prior. I put them in a Ziploc bag, folded the bag to get all the air out so the bag was flat, then I took a hammer to the bag while laying it on concrete. Ground about 90% of the seeds that way.


tat

Didn't you get holes in the bag immediately? Did you roll it up or?
I've been grinding in a mortar and it's taking forever. Would like to have a coffee grinder but have none and don't even drink coffee

 

[Metanoia]

I found using whole seeds vs. ground was much easier to work with, and didn't result in much loss in final yield, if any.

Rue is such a pain in the ass to filter when you use ground seeds. Try whole seeds sometime, it's a huge time saver.

 

[Infundibulum]

I found using whole seeds vs. ground was much easier to work with, and didn't result in much loss in final yield, if any.

Rue is such a pain in the ass to filter when you use ground seeds. Try whole seeds sometime, it's a huge time saver.

I concur;

I have also found not much really difference in whole vs ground seeds; on the contrary, if you are worried do a couple of more boils on the seeds. Any way you see it, it is going to be much faster than trying to filter the ground seeds.

 

[Jees]

My coffee filter clogged up in 0.237 sec. :shock:

 

[DMTripper]

I found using whole seeds vs. ground was much easier to work with, and didn't result in much loss in final yield, if any.

Rue is such a pain in the ass to filter when you use ground seeds. Try whole seeds sometime, it's a huge time saver.

I concur;

I have also found not much really difference in whole vs ground seeds; on the contrary, if you are worried do a couple of more boils on the seeds. Any way you see it, it is going to be much faster than trying to filter the ground seeds.

When I had grounded like 30gr. of 150 gr. of seeds I decided just to throw all in a pot and start boiling. I'm now in the process of filtering and it's a pain in the ass.
I think next time I'll go for whole seeds and just extra boils for longer time each.

 

[○]

Yes, ive used lemon juice. I put 2-3 tablespoons of juice per half liter of water when boiling. I dont think it's absolutely nescesary, but the few times when I boiled my seeds I grond them up prior. I put them in a Ziploc bag, folded the bag to get all the air out so the bag was flat, then I took a hammer to the bag while laying it on concrete. Ground about 90% of the seeds that way.


tat

Didn't you get holes in the bag immediately? Did you roll it up or?
I've been grinding in a mortar and it's taking forever. Would like to have a coffee grinder but have none and don't even drink coffee

No holes, just a buncha little indentations in the plastic where the seeds were from smashing them. I just made sure all air was out of the ziploc, lay the ziploc flat onto the concrete (basement) floor, corner the seeds towards the bottom of the bag, and use a standard hammer. Took about 5 minutes. and 85-90% were crushed