Adding the non polar solvent: technique modification?

[SunshineMaker]

Good day to all, I hope everyone is well and those who aren't get better. While proof reading my notes and preparing for another ( hopefully more plentiful ) harvest, an idea came to mind which to me makes perfect sense and possibly for a more abundant pull.
My idea relates to step #6 bullet #2 while working cybs tek, but I'm sure could be applied to other teks if it happened to work. Step #6 reads the following :

"2.)Lightly shake and roll the mixture in a 'figure of 8' fashion (or like peddling a bike) for 20-30 seconds.(The idea is for the naphtha to 'touch' every part of the base mix)"

My question is, has anyone tried this step using a glass baking sheet so there's more surface area. Can you add the napta and Lightly stir the mixture as opposed to jar flipping or rolling. If you want the naptha to touch every part wouldn't laying the base mix flat and spread out make this step more efficient?

 

[Nydex]

Hello, @SunshineMaker,

Hopefully you're doing fine as well!

While you might get a tiny bit better results in terms of mixing, you'll also expose the NPS to a lot more air and as a result more of it will evaporate which, depending on your circumstance, might be unfavorable.

On top of that, I don't think you'll achieve a much higher level of mixing the base and NPS than you would with a cheap magnetic stirrer or just doing it by hand. If anything, the difference will most likely be negligible and will only complicate the process not only because of fumes you have to avoid (and evaporation of solvent you don't want to evaporate), but also you'll have to get the solution back into an appropriate extraction vessel, which can get messy and you might spill some out which is not what you want when you work with strong bases.

Hope that helps, good luck!

 

[SunshineMaker]

Hello, @SunshineMaker,

Hopefully you're doing fine as well!

While you might get a tiny bit better results in terms of mixing, you'll also expose the NPS to a lot more air and as a result more of it will evaporate which, depending on your circumstance, might be unfavorable.

On top of that, I don't think you'll achieve a much higher level of mixing the base and NPS than you would with a cheap magnetic stirrer or just doing it by hand. If anything, the difference will most likely be negligible and will only complicate the process not only because of fumes you have to avoid (and evaporation of solvent you don't want to evaporate), but also you'll have to get the solution back into an appropriate extraction vessel, which can get messy and you might spill some out which is not what you want when you work with strong bases.

Hope that helps, good luck!

Once I obtain more plant material I might run a side by side, in the meantime tinker with ways to address the problem areas you mentioned, just for the hell of it. Worst case, I yeild little to nothing and lose 50g of plant along with more dishes to wash. On the other hand I yeild equal or more and still have double the dishes ( that's gonna be my down fall in life no doubt ) .. on a side note have you used those magnetic stirrers? I had ordered one that doubled as a hot plate and the dang thing never showed. If so did you have emultion problems by not rotating the jar like the tek says to. I rigged up a long metal spoon to my drill which worked great but I think i whipped it up to fast cause my naptha disappeared that night and I'm still getting pulls 2 weeks later, I noticed it sitting on top today by chance and well, now it's consumed my entire day. LOL.

 

[Bas Sarkin]

Its an interesting thought. I normally use bottles, and when I mix the solvent, I hold them horizontally, so there is more surface area to touch the base liquid, then gently slush from side to side. Pouring it into a flat dish is a bit cumbersome, like Nydex brings up, it has some negative aspects.

Once I was thinking along the same line as you, and imagined some kind of pump, that would either pump out and drip the base liquid onto the solvent layer, or bubble the solvent up from below into the base liquid. The pump should not touch the liquid, so I was thinking of a peristaltic pump like:

Hang a short and a long tube into the bottle, somehow through the lid, and it could slowly drip drip the base liquid into the solvent layer for a while.
The tubing should not degrade handling bases (or naphtha)...

Never made it though, swirling by hand is easier, and pretty meditative to do.

 

[SunshineMaker]

Its an interesting thought. I normally use bottles, and when I mix the solvent, I hold them horizontally, so there is more surface area to touch the base liquid, then gently slush from side to side. Pouring it into a flat dish is a bit cumbersome, like Nydex brings up, it has some negative aspects.

Once I was thinking along the same line as you, and imagined some kind of pump, that would either pump out and drip the base liquid onto the solvent layer, or bubble the solvent up from below into the base liquid. The pump should not touch the liquid, so I was thinking of a peristaltic pump like:
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Hang a short and a long tube into the bottle, somehow through the lid, and it could slowly drip drip the base liquid into the solvent layer for a while.
The tubing should not degrade handling bases (or naphtha)...

Never made it though, swirling by hand is easier, and pretty meditative to do.

Yeah we were definitely think the same concepts, that's odd. I was also thinking along the lines of a "bong" style with solvent where the bowl would be and bubble up from the bottom

 

[Transform]

There's also the Clevenger apparatus for liquid-liquid extraction, which uses distillation to circulate the solvent.

 

[Bas Sarkin]

There's also the Clevenger apparatus for liquid-liquid extraction, which uses distillation to circulate the solvent.

Interesting!

This might be a stupid question, but when boiling the base liquid: will everything dissolved in it also be transported up in the 'steam'? How does that work? 'dissolved in the vapor'? My intuition says that wont work: the water will evaporate, leaving everything dissolved in it in the liquid phase, or no?

 

[Transform]

Interesting!

This might be a stupid question, but when boiling the base liquid: will everything dissolved in it also be transported up in the 'steam'? How does that work? 'dissolved in the vapor'? My intuition says that wont work: the water will evaporate, leaving everything dissolved in it in the liquid phase, or no?

Bear in mind that the link was for illustrative purposes. The use of a Clevenger apparatus is by no means restricted to steam distillation, nor does it rely on the co-volatility of the substance(s) of interest with the solvent that gets distilled. This particular apparatus - and, indeed, the whole premise of this thread - has been discussed elsewhere on the forum before, e.g.:

automated liquid-liquid extraction

An idea came to my mind. Supposed you have a based liquid, containing some alkaloids you want to extract with a NPS. And you got pipes, tubes, some more flasks and a pump that is fine with the NPS. Then you could maybe set up a system where the NPS is pumped into flask 1 and bubbles thru the...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

 

[SunshineMaker]

Well damn I've never seen that but, I tell you what, had I lived in a previous age I might have invented that first! Exactly what I was picturing. That thread that transform posted above has some good points about running continuously... hmm might be going shopping this weekend. Thank you for your thoughts on this.

Keep on rockin! PEACE!!

Interesting!

This might be a stupid question, but when boiling the base liquid: will everything dissolved in it also be transported up in the 'steam'? How does that work? 'dissolved in the vapor'? My intuition says that wont work: the water will evaporate, leaving everything dissolved in it in the liquid phase, or no?