sippyj
Rising Star
Hey, great forum you've got here.
Here's the deal. I've got this friend, who came to me looking for some advice. Since I have no experience with this sort of thing of my own, I thought this would be a good place to get some answers for him.
The story he tells me is this: marsofold tech was used to do a standard A/B extraction of ~50g MHRB. Procedure was followed to the letter with good progress. Following successful pulls, Naptha solution was collected in a glass pie dish, covered with plastic wrap and secured as firmly as possible with the addition of a glass dinner plate over top of the plastic wrap. C/F/C cycle was followed with a final 24 hours in the freezer to allow precipitation.
After 24 hours in the freezer, he made an inspection of the contents of the glass dish and was pleased with the results. What he tells me that he saw was a number of small off white snowflake like crystals stuck to the bottom of the plate, with a couple spots that had more of a yellow color to them. At that point, he tells me that he was quite pleased with what he saw.
Here's where it starts to get troublesome. My friend tells me that he got ahead of himself and now he is worried that he may have done something to ruin the results of his experiment.
Here's how it went down, according to my buddy: With less forethought than was probably advisable, he removed the dish from the freezer and proceeded to pour off the naptha into a large glass bowl. He noticed some of the material float away and into the bowl, and that was unsettling. However the majority of the crystallized material remained stuck to the dish.
As he had done a lot of reading prior to embarking on this little experiment, my friend had a number of different teks printed out for reference. At that time he re-read the freezer precip section of another tek, and came across some information that made him think twice about what he had just done. This tek stated that it was best to first remove the crystals from the dish via some sort of metal scraper, and then poor all the naptha+crystals through some sort of filter paper on which the crystals would be left to dry.
At that point, he hastily made the decision to pour the naptha solution back into the glass pie plate. Returning the glass plate to the freezer to work, my friend made what he is worried may have been a fatal error.
Instead of using the metal razor blades purchased for this very project, he instead grabbed a Rubber Spatula with soft rounded edges that he thought would be a good tool for the job. He set to work softly scraping the bottom and edges of the plate to remove the crystals. It was during this process that he really started to get worried.
After scraping away all the material, he noticed that the rubber spatula started to look funny. The thin edges of the spatula had started to curve in a wavy S or snake like fashion. What had once been flat, straight edges were now S shaped. As that is not something he has ever seen before, he immediately stopped using the spatula in the naptha solution and set it aside.
At that point, closer inspection of the contents of the plate reveled what looked to be small pools of an oily material, opaque in color. He thought this might be the crystallized material melting back into liquid form due to the change of temp, but was not certain. At that point the decision was made to return the glass plate to the freezer for another full night, to see what remained the next day. By that time the spatula had returned to it's original shape.
My buddy tells me that when he awoke the next morning, he inspected the contents of the plate and was very concerned with what he saw. What he saw were a large number of VERY white globs of material of an unknown nature. This globs are not uniform in size, and there is one in particular that is a good deal larger than all the others. Amongst these very white globs of stuff, he tells me that he is also able to see crystallized flakes that look 'normal' - that is they look the same as they did during the initial inspection from the day prior.
He tells me that he believes this new material may in fact be only water, in the form of Ice. That it may have been possible for condensation to form which then leaked into the solution. But he is also very worried that the rubber spatula had some sort of chemical reaction with the contents of the plate.
The appearance of this new material is the reason I am making this post on his behalf. He would hate to have to consider the experiment a failure, but is also very concerned about potential toxic consequences of his actions.
If the matter turns out to be water, that would be a relief. Would recrystallization remove the water or would further washing need to be undertaken?
Thanks for reading
Here's the deal. I've got this friend, who came to me looking for some advice. Since I have no experience with this sort of thing of my own, I thought this would be a good place to get some answers for him.
The story he tells me is this: marsofold tech was used to do a standard A/B extraction of ~50g MHRB. Procedure was followed to the letter with good progress. Following successful pulls, Naptha solution was collected in a glass pie dish, covered with plastic wrap and secured as firmly as possible with the addition of a glass dinner plate over top of the plastic wrap. C/F/C cycle was followed with a final 24 hours in the freezer to allow precipitation.
After 24 hours in the freezer, he made an inspection of the contents of the glass dish and was pleased with the results. What he tells me that he saw was a number of small off white snowflake like crystals stuck to the bottom of the plate, with a couple spots that had more of a yellow color to them. At that point, he tells me that he was quite pleased with what he saw.
Here's where it starts to get troublesome. My friend tells me that he got ahead of himself and now he is worried that he may have done something to ruin the results of his experiment.
Here's how it went down, according to my buddy: With less forethought than was probably advisable, he removed the dish from the freezer and proceeded to pour off the naptha into a large glass bowl. He noticed some of the material float away and into the bowl, and that was unsettling. However the majority of the crystallized material remained stuck to the dish.
As he had done a lot of reading prior to embarking on this little experiment, my friend had a number of different teks printed out for reference. At that time he re-read the freezer precip section of another tek, and came across some information that made him think twice about what he had just done. This tek stated that it was best to first remove the crystals from the dish via some sort of metal scraper, and then poor all the naptha+crystals through some sort of filter paper on which the crystals would be left to dry.
At that point, he hastily made the decision to pour the naptha solution back into the glass pie plate. Returning the glass plate to the freezer to work, my friend made what he is worried may have been a fatal error.
Instead of using the metal razor blades purchased for this very project, he instead grabbed a Rubber Spatula with soft rounded edges that he thought would be a good tool for the job. He set to work softly scraping the bottom and edges of the plate to remove the crystals. It was during this process that he really started to get worried.
After scraping away all the material, he noticed that the rubber spatula started to look funny. The thin edges of the spatula had started to curve in a wavy S or snake like fashion. What had once been flat, straight edges were now S shaped. As that is not something he has ever seen before, he immediately stopped using the spatula in the naptha solution and set it aside.
At that point, closer inspection of the contents of the plate reveled what looked to be small pools of an oily material, opaque in color. He thought this might be the crystallized material melting back into liquid form due to the change of temp, but was not certain. At that point the decision was made to return the glass plate to the freezer for another full night, to see what remained the next day. By that time the spatula had returned to it's original shape.
My buddy tells me that when he awoke the next morning, he inspected the contents of the plate and was very concerned with what he saw. What he saw were a large number of VERY white globs of material of an unknown nature. This globs are not uniform in size, and there is one in particular that is a good deal larger than all the others. Amongst these very white globs of stuff, he tells me that he is also able to see crystallized flakes that look 'normal' - that is they look the same as they did during the initial inspection from the day prior.
He tells me that he believes this new material may in fact be only water, in the form of Ice. That it may have been possible for condensation to form which then leaked into the solution. But he is also very worried that the rubber spatula had some sort of chemical reaction with the contents of the plate.
The appearance of this new material is the reason I am making this post on his behalf. He would hate to have to consider the experiment a failure, but is also very concerned about potential toxic consequences of his actions.
If the matter turns out to be water, that would be a relief. Would recrystallization remove the water or would further washing need to be undertaken?
Thanks for reading
