s8championjgh said:
Yeah thats my point, the driving analogy doesn't fit because that has to do with practice, not maturity gained through life experience.
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Yeah thats my point, the driving analogy doesn't fit because that has to do with practice, not maturity gained through life experience.
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Big Inhale
The Enlightend One
Certain Native Ameican culture would start there peyote rituals at 13 as an entrance to adulthood. Were they wrong Our culture likes to coddle people. Saying things like I Know whats better for you and when you should do it.
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Big Inhale said:
Very good point. However, one could argue that the times have changed and those under 17, even more so at the age of 13, are not taught respect (especially towards these psychedelic substances) the way the Native Americans taught their youth, directly or indirectly.
But you are absolutely right, we do like to do that often. One has to wonder how much 'problems' (i.e. foolish behavior with entheogens) we solve with this ideology... and how many we create. By telling youth "NO!" to something, all to often that leads to piqued curiosity and... thus... foolish behavior due to the "thrill" of something... whatever it happens to be. If only there was some info. agency out there that gave truthful facts about the various drugs of our world, pros and cons, and general information about them to our youth, rather than some DARE program scaring the shit out of some kids and causing mouth salivation in others (...I'm getting carried away here
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Wise words my friend, though not caring about the perils of the DMT-abusing youtubers... do you really want to turn on the tellie to hear your local news station talking about this "ridiculously dangerous dream drug ravaging our youth"?? Obviously, this is a little 'out-there'... but any precautions to make sure this does not happen SHOULD be taken (reporting videos... etc...)
You're correct though. DMT is far too obscure for that nonsense, at least at this point in time...
You're correct though. DMT is far too obscure for that nonsense, at least at this point in time...
Well Logos, its sure sounds like you live in a wonderful Utopian society where things are ideal.
I'm quite envious of that!
Over here in the real world, there are sufficiently large numbers of meatheads who take copious amounts of psychedelics for no other reason except to get high.
I grew up, my first 19 years, in a small, Midwestern town (pop. less than 20,000), for the last 15 years I've lived in 2 large, west coast, & southwestern city's & I've known 100's of people from all walks of life, in all of those places who've taken psychedelics on a regular basis.
I'd say there was maybe 10% of those people I've known over the years, who where doing anything more than seeing how fucked up they could get & DMT was no different to them.
I'm not saying that's a good thing. (I did not share with them more than once because of this...)
Just that trying to find someone to explore consciousness with, who was really interested in what these effects are & exploring them, instead of just digging on them, was not an easy thing for me to find. Most folks either just want to get extreemly fucked up, or just escape from they're normal boring life for a while.
I suppose that all has to do with where you are located though.
Granted for a lot of people DMT is way too heavy, opens up too many questions & is a pain to get a hold of.
But unfortunately, that makes it a prized trophy to the meathead scene!!
In a large number of those Salvia videos, it's like they are daring each other to jump off a house, jack-ass-style!!
Then "whoa, man, whoa...he's so wasted man...whoa" as the guy stumbles around the room looking scared to death.
Salvia is a deep, mysterious, otherworldly entheogen, very similar to DMT, that can be mellow & loving if taken correctly.
It was not at all popular, until smoking the easy to buy & use extracts came around a few years ago. Now its the new "legal-LSD your kid can buy at the mall, that's sure to kill him/her" on the evening news!
If DMT became easier to buy from people, (I.E. meathead kids & adults...) you would see the same type of videos documenting them abusing DMT's power the same exact way.
I'm not saying all kids are idiots, just that those kinds of people, no matter what their age, are in higher numbers out there!!
And DMT's popularity has already grow in leaps & bonds over the last 3-5 years, since the extraction tek's available on the web have become easier & easier to do.
Before the internet, I searched for DMT for 13 years, extraction was not an option because I did not know it was possible, much less anything about the solvents or process involved.
In that strech of time I did not meet one single person who had heard of DMT or anone who had any, or tried it.
In the last 5 years, I've met countless numbers of people who know what it is & a few of them have tried it here & there as well.
Sign of the times & of things to come I guess.
?????
WS
I'm quite envious of that!
Over here in the real world, there are sufficiently large numbers of meatheads who take copious amounts of psychedelics for no other reason except to get high.
I grew up, my first 19 years, in a small, Midwestern town (pop. less than 20,000), for the last 15 years I've lived in 2 large, west coast, & southwestern city's & I've known 100's of people from all walks of life, in all of those places who've taken psychedelics on a regular basis.
I'd say there was maybe 10% of those people I've known over the years, who where doing anything more than seeing how fucked up they could get & DMT was no different to them.
I'm not saying that's a good thing. (I did not share with them more than once because of this...)
Just that trying to find someone to explore consciousness with, who was really interested in what these effects are & exploring them, instead of just digging on them, was not an easy thing for me to find. Most folks either just want to get extreemly fucked up, or just escape from they're normal boring life for a while.
I suppose that all has to do with where you are located though.
Granted for a lot of people DMT is way too heavy, opens up too many questions & is a pain to get a hold of.
But unfortunately, that makes it a prized trophy to the meathead scene!!
In a large number of those Salvia videos, it's like they are daring each other to jump off a house, jack-ass-style!!
Then "whoa, man, whoa...he's so wasted man...whoa" as the guy stumbles around the room looking scared to death.
Salvia is a deep, mysterious, otherworldly entheogen, very similar to DMT, that can be mellow & loving if taken correctly.
It was not at all popular, until smoking the easy to buy & use extracts came around a few years ago. Now its the new "legal-LSD your kid can buy at the mall, that's sure to kill him/her" on the evening news!
If DMT became easier to buy from people, (I.E. meathead kids & adults...) you would see the same type of videos documenting them abusing DMT's power the same exact way.
I'm not saying all kids are idiots, just that those kinds of people, no matter what their age, are in higher numbers out there!!
And DMT's popularity has already grow in leaps & bonds over the last 3-5 years, since the extraction tek's available on the web have become easier & easier to do.
Before the internet, I searched for DMT for 13 years, extraction was not an option because I did not know it was possible, much less anything about the solvents or process involved.
In that strech of time I did not meet one single person who had heard of DMT or anone who had any, or tried it.
In the last 5 years, I've met countless numbers of people who know what it is & a few of them have tried it here & there as well.
Sign of the times & of things to come I guess.
?????
WS
Infinite I
JC
[quote='Coatl]I think anybody under 17 should not use psychoactives of any sort.... much less DMT (or alcohol).
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What age did you start taking psychoactives if you dont mind me asking? Your 19 right?
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What age did you start taking psychoactives if you dont mind me asking? Your 19 right?
Infinite I
JC
Swim took his first acid when he was 13, terrible he knows but to swim and his friends it seemed easier than drinking bottles of cider. Shocking naivety to what these things are. Everyone would do it though, after that swim would take acid when he could, and every mushroom season he would get some. Swim wishes he had discovered dmt when he was, say 18, as he would have loved it.
Infinite I
JC
So its a case of do as I say not as I do lol Swim was the same, he wishes he hadnt but he did and he doesnt like to regret things.
swim was perhaps 13 for herb, 18 for mushies, 23 for cactus and 24 for spice. (anything else was inbetween 18 and 23 - swim is happy that this was the age he met the plants at)
spice is not for kids - swim thinks it is the most serious of serious teachers and should only be approached by those that have been and seen and want to go further and learn more, for those that can impliment what they have learned and can grow from it personally and for those that want to live their lives to the full extent and understand the way reality really works.
spice is not for kids - swim thinks it is the most serious of serious teachers and should only be approached by those that have been and seen and want to go further and learn more, for those that can impliment what they have learned and can grow from it personally and for those that want to live their lives to the full extent and understand the way reality really works.
I was a clean-bean all throughout high school, I actually smoked pot for the first time at a party on graduation night, 18 years old.
By the next year I was smoking regularly & started taking lots of acid around 19-1/2, summertime the following year.
I also read about DMT that summer in "the Anarchist Cookbook", which my friend bought a copy of and in a book on psychedelics, by Tim Leary that I found at the public library.
I don't remember what the Leary book was called, but there was this picture in it, that he had drawn of his face in a mirror, while under he was under the influence of DMT (I think I remember that correctly). It was covered in geometric patterns & what looked like hieroglyphics.
In it he mentioned how a large dose of DMT was like bursting into another dimension that was inhabited, etc, etc...
I was intrigued to the core & that started a long, long search for it!!
I searched for the next 13 years (no internet, meant no access to these concepts of extraction), I started asking every head, smoker, dealer & every other person I got to know well enough & who had a good connect, or was significantly into psychedelics. Nobody...Zilch...
2 years ago I learned of extracting DMT from Mimosa on the internet & began slowly (but as quickly as I could!) putting together a small kitchen kem set to extract this 13 year mystery.
I was not disappointed at all & the waiting & the researching led to a deep, deep respect & reverence for this substance that I would bever trade for having had access to it earlier in my life!
I too am happy that I waited to mature a bit more before journeying into DMT. If I had been able to get ahold of it back when I was 19-22, I would have loved it no doubt, but more for the heavy visual hallucinations then the spiritual connection that I am exploring now.
I mean that.
to each his own path...
WS
By the next year I was smoking regularly & started taking lots of acid around 19-1/2, summertime the following year.
I also read about DMT that summer in "the Anarchist Cookbook", which my friend bought a copy of and in a book on psychedelics, by Tim Leary that I found at the public library.
I don't remember what the Leary book was called, but there was this picture in it, that he had drawn of his face in a mirror, while under he was under the influence of DMT (I think I remember that correctly). It was covered in geometric patterns & what looked like hieroglyphics.
In it he mentioned how a large dose of DMT was like bursting into another dimension that was inhabited, etc, etc...
I was intrigued to the core & that started a long, long search for it!!
I searched for the next 13 years (no internet, meant no access to these concepts of extraction), I started asking every head, smoker, dealer & every other person I got to know well enough & who had a good connect, or was significantly into psychedelics. Nobody...Zilch...
2 years ago I learned of extracting DMT from Mimosa on the internet & began slowly (but as quickly as I could!) putting together a small kitchen kem set to extract this 13 year mystery.
I was not disappointed at all & the waiting & the researching led to a deep, deep respect & reverence for this substance that I would bever trade for having had access to it earlier in my life!
I too am happy that I waited to mature a bit more before journeying into DMT. If I had been able to get ahold of it back when I was 19-22, I would have loved it no doubt, but more for the heavy visual hallucinations then the spiritual connection that I am exploring now.
I mean that.
to each his own path...
WS
wake and bacon
Rising Star
Phlux- said:
I think that is something we all can agree upon. It's all subjective from there, however... just because you are 26, doesn't mean shit... same as if you were 17... it of course goes without saying that the average 17 year old vs. the average 26 year old is NOT in any way ready for DMT and what it has to offer to whomever wants to partake in it.
I don't like the 'avoid attention' train of thought at all. That's a retarded delusion in the first place, and so is the possible generalization about age and readiness. But that's a different matter.
We're making up our own rules with all this. We once again have a direct connection to the universe- we are currently creating a culture that stems from a direct communion to the vaster mystery. I just wish more of it was offline and in the real world.
Some kids are ready earlier. I was ready for all kinds of shit in high school, but kept to meditation and manual mindfuckery instead.
I think 16 should be the earliest- BUT then, perhaps we could re-develop the structures to support other magicians through the abyss. Or at least, we could do more to make the wisdom teachings and esoteric maps available to those youngins who really need them.
We're making up our own rules with all this. We once again have a direct connection to the universe- we are currently creating a culture that stems from a direct communion to the vaster mystery. I just wish more of it was offline and in the real world.
Some kids are ready earlier. I was ready for all kinds of shit in high school, but kept to meditation and manual mindfuckery instead.
I think 16 should be the earliest- BUT then, perhaps we could re-develop the structures to support other magicians through the abyss. Or at least, we could do more to make the wisdom teachings and esoteric maps available to those youngins who really need them.
