Age of dmt consumption?

[WSaged]

Whether its Right or Wrong, mentally or physically for high school kids to be smoking DMT, a kid living in their parents house is much, much more likely to be caught with DMT, than say an adult who is living in his/her own house, who makes their own rules!!
DMT in mummy & daddy's house can only end badly and bring more of the "bad press" mentioned before!!
"But Mom, I can see other dimensions & talk to DMT-elves with that stuff, don't flush it...!!!"
"Wait, I can't move my arms in this jacket!!!"

Of course the teens hanging around here think its OK, teens always think they are fully developed. 18 years seems like a long time, until you look back on it, 30 years later...
When I look back on being 17-19 yrs old, I really thought I knew what the rest of my life was going to be.
Those ideas are all gone now! Time came in & scooped them away.
The older I get the more I realize I was just another kid at that time with the normal big ideas.
I still know very little for sure. Less & less every year in fact!!

That being said, I also took tons of acid in my late teens, (right after graduating high school BTW) so its really hard to put a single finger on the right & wrong of this.
Got to start somewhere, right?


BTW, isn't it funny how the way someone says something can be more telling than the words they used, even when those two things are opposites of each other...:roll:
If you follow me...

Cheers

WS

 

[antrocles]

fascinating thread....really.....suppose it's SWIM's turn to throw his hat in...

by the time SWIM graduated HS he had done many many psychedelics. mostly good trips, a few nut-crunchers....but in the end they ultimately marked the beginning of his journey into self-exploration....a journey that continues on 20 years later. for their role as a catalyst he is eternally grateful and regrets NOTHING. of course, the class of '88 at SWIM's HS had never even heard of DMT so it never came into his pimply paws at the time. he most likely would have done it....and here is where his two cents come a-jinglin'.....

every other entheogen SWIM has ever done (even Aya) SWIM would not have the slightest reservation when hearing of teens exploring themselves with them....DMT, however, is such a unique creature...mostly in it's immediacy of impact really....that a thinly developed ego being shattered might find it much more challenging to re-assemble itself. now...let's just get one thing straight: SWIM is a STAUNCH libertarian and believes STRONGLY in everyone's right to explore and do what they will (as long as none are harmed in the process)...but that's kinda the bone that sticks in his throat on this particular issue....a teen in HS IS going to have a DIRECT impact on others (namely: PARENTS) and THIS particular medicine, in SWIM's humble opinion is best served with a fully-formed psyche....if only for it's ability to re-establish itself after being annihilated.

SWIM had a friend in HS who jumped to his death from the top of Horton Plaza a couple days after a heavy acid trip. just couldn't re-connect with a self he had only just begun to develop....this is the danger of using strong psychedelics at a young age. it is SWIM's opinion that the spice should be left for later....as kind of a goal to work up to....with plenty of time to explore the MULTITUDE of friendly, slow-to-come-on entheogens and psychedelics that are out there.....

i share only cuz i care..

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!

 

[ohayoco]

Better DMT than acid or shrooms. It's short and you're sedentary while on it. Whereas a confused kid on acid or shrooms could get theselves in all sorts of trouble.

 

[Jorkest]

this is a very touchy subject..but SWIM believes that a person should be at LEAST 18 years old to use this material..i know it sounds unfair and wrong..but..this chemical is NOT to be trifled with!!!

we..as a community dont even know what its actually doing..we have our theories..and guesses..but we dont really know..that makes it dangerous in my eyes..and something that only a consenting ADULT should be messing with...i mean really..you have to be 18 to buy CIGARETTES!! and for somebody under 18 to be PLAYING with DMT is just dangerous...for them..and for the people around them..some of these techniques use very very dangerous chemicals..and if they are handled the wrong way somebody could very easily end up injured..or worse dead..obviously my extremely responsible side talking

here is the problem...the people on this site are focused on a goal..making dmt extractions EASY..and safe..

kids are getting smarter..they are able to figure out things much quicker than most of us ever could..because of all this technology and information that is right at their finger tips..and the SWIM's on this site have been working hard to make it easier..and also safer..using safer chemicals..and processes..to extract and use DMT...

so what do we do? we can make rules..which has been done...but rules can easily be broken...we can remove all this information that has been gathered(a sad thought and one that i wouldnt ever want to happen) or....well i dont really have any solution to this issue..its almost out of all of our hands..and just because people say that you should be at least 18 to smoke DMT...doesnt mean these kids are going to listen...

so all i can say is that...if you are under 18..and in highschool...dont fucking announce it to a forum that clearly states in the rules that you have to be over 18 to post..

and if you are under 18...its worth it to wait...get some life experience...go out and live in THIS reality for a bit..before going to 'another one'

what i feel needs to happen is that we need to set up a rite of passage for people that are of age...and ready to experience this awesomely POWERFUL material..we need to change the way we think about using this drug..so that a teenager will be preparing themselves for their transformation into this new way of thinking..and then...when they reach a suitable age...and prove these excitement..and commitment to bettering themselves.....experienced users will then guide them through there first few experiences..and teach them the morals and framework so that they can fully appreciate and understand whats happening to them...

i feel this is one of the biggest things that we as a community need to work towards..i think its very important..and necessary..otherwise there will be problems for us in the future..

 

[Darkbb]

Yeah I was rude man I am sorry but just because we are young doesn't mean we can't feel the same way about dmt. And it doesn't mean we can't interpret what the Deem is trying to tell us and how it is effecting your emotions. You should read my trip reports.

I think in my opinion it is based on maturity whether or not you should smoke it.

 

[antrocles]

Jorkest- i feel you and you pretty much summed up my sentiment.
Darkbb- i ALSO feel you and CAN actually recall a bit of my teenage thoughts and attitudes... (was just reading a book of poetry i scribbled out when i traveled to europe for the first time at age 18)...i was a WHOLE different person then and i certainly was nowhere near the level of peace with myself that i have now. i was, however committed to growing.....
for me, i don't think i would have been able to "work" with DMT at that age. i think it would have blown my mind and, though i do think i had the maturity to re-integrate, i don't think i would have had enough "me" to apply such profound insight to. but.....that's just me....

i'm starting to feel like an "old fart" at the tender age of 38.....but one thing's for certain: time's are rapidly changing and kids these days are a helluvalot more savvy in certain areas than when I was their age. still- there's no substitute for walking the earth for x number of years and gaining insight into the mysteries of this giant world and all of it's painfully similar inhabitants. i stand (apparently with my buddy Jorkest at my side) by my belief that it is something worth waiting and gaining a little self-awareness and life experience before jumping into. i also agree with Darkbb that maturity super-cedes age at a point.

...i just think that that point lies somewhere beyond the age of 18....

again....i share becuz i care....


LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!

 

[dimitrius_rexus]

it finds you when it finds you and then it has found you

Yup. Kinda like unwanted media attention. And prohibition of source materials. And the cops.

nah not really.

though i do agree that people should be over the age of 18 to experience smoked dmt.

 

[Darkbb]

I've never met anybody that was under the age of 18 that actually wanted to try it knowing that it would blow their brain through the roof. Except for me, turning 18 3 months ago, 3 months from now would be my 1yr anniversery, lol, with dmt, never been caught, and never hurt anybody

 

[Darkbb]

I've never met anybody that was under the age of 18 that actually wanted to try it knowing that it would blow their brain through the roof. Except for me, turning 18 3 months ago, 6 months from now would be my 1yr anniversery, lol, with dmt, never been caught, and never hurt anybody

 

[Jorkest]

yeah not too many people would even know what it was under 18 it seems

and it also seems that you joined the forum before you were 18..tisk tisk

 

[antrocles]

Darkbb you are a rare evolution of human and i am impressed by your maturity. don't take what i'm about to say personally, you are the exception to this rule:

imagine your life experiences are like wooden dowels. you go through life, you do/see/experience something, you collect another dowel. after years and years you have a big pile of them.

...then along comes the spice. it comes in the shape of two poles with a hole bored into the side at regular intervals. you fumble around with the spice for a while before you finally piece it together...."OH!! I PUT A DOWEL IN THIS HOLE, LINE IT UP AND PUT THE OTHER END IN THE CORRESPONDING HOLD ON THE OTHER POLE AND VOILA! I'VE CREATED A RUNG OF A LADDER!!".

these poles...they stretch beyond the reach of human understanding. beyond the scope of our little meat-brain. how high up you can go depends on how high up you can climb. so...one by one you start putting in the rungs of your life experience and higher and higher you go....

it is SWIM's humble opinion that one could continue to grow and develop and go deeper and deeper with the spice through the course of one's lifetime. the more you know the more you know how little you know....yes?

...with MOST teens, they have NO CLUE how little they know...feel me? in your case, you have figured out the fundamentals of how to build that ladder to hyperspace (not unlike a stariway to heaven ), but you only have a relatively small amount of dowels accrued so far....all the same, you've figured out the most important part- WHAT the spice is for. as you grow and acquire more and more dowels, there MAY be a sensation of GRATITUDE or JOY at the awareness of how you can WORK with this new self-growth via the spice-ladder!! i hope that it truly does enrich your life in this way...

anyways, SWIM is probably gonna read this later and question exactly how strong his weed is...but he got that whole "dowel" theory in his noggin' and had to tap it out. hopefully SOMEBODY will get something out of it!

LOVE,
THE DOWLIE LAMA

 

[WSaged]

Nice analogy Antrocles!

WS

 

[HappyCamper]

it finds you when it finds you and then it has found you

Not really, SWIM just happened to be looking through erowid, came across DMT, and just furthered his research from there. Now that he thinks about it, erowid has introduced SWIM to many a psychedelic including salvia and many other RCs.

I've never met anybody that was under the age of 18 that actually wanted to try it knowing that it would blow their brain through the roof.

That's because they would rather take the advice of the guy on their street corner who describes it as a 10 minute acid trip, then the reality of it. And noone is buying that all of you didnt do psychedelics in HS. We are not talking about the number 18, just like a hardass bartender would deny you a drink 5 minutes before your birthday. Frankly you could be 18 and still be immature enough to not do it.

 

[The Traveler]

I've never met anybody that was under the age of 18 that actually wanted to try it knowing that it would blow their brain through the roof. Except for me, turning 18 3 months ago, 3 months from now would be my 1yr anniversery, lol, with dmt, never been caught, and never hurt anybody

Hmmm, I think I have to suspend you retrospectively. I think it's really not done to break that age rule since it may jeopardize the existence of this site. It really saddens me.

 

[HappyCamper]

This is true, but the difference is at the age 18 you are an adult. When you are younger you're kid. Whether or not there is a difference in maturity or not, the age is a big difference.

Are you an adult on paper? Yes Does that mean you are a mature individual? Not always 18 is just a made up number that happens to be when school is over and it's time to get a job. For all I can tell, the guy who is a senior in college that's partying his ass off, would be less prepared for DMT than the guy who is a well balanced senior in HS. This does not mean however that I am taking any side, this is just my POV.

 

[WSaged]

I hear ya. But take this into consideration: the largest amount of car crashed and car deaths occur at the age of 16 in the U.S. The next most is, 17, then 18, then 19. IMO, you can credit this to the fact that people at this young age are less mature and much more irresponsible. I'm not saying that there are not some people under the age of 18 that could handle dmt, but the average 16, 17, 18 year old is not going to be as mature as the average 19 year old and older.

Don't know if that one holds water.
Don't you think that has a little more to do with the experience factor of the drivers?
If you are 16 yrs old, you just got your license & you are on the road for the first time, so yeah, that age group gets into the most accidents. Not necessarily because they are immature, but because they are just now learning to drive.
17 yr olds have one more year experience so they are just a bit better at driving.
And so on & so on, until they have reached a certain level of experience & expertise. The curve then levels off until people reach another certain elderly age, then driving skills start to decrease again, having nothing to do with mental maturity.

Obviously an particularly irresponsible kid is more likely to get into more accidents than a responsible one, but you where talking about averages. Right?

WS

 

[wake and bacon]

People can be immature (more specifically, irresponsible with intense psychedelics) at any age, we all know that. While a larger percentage comes from the teenage crowd, this does NOT mean that no teenager can use and extract DMT with full respect and responsibility. To say otherwise is quite akin to saying no women can drive (I know... I know... poor comparison).

I do agree that in most cases, teenagers shouldn't consider DMT. The nice thing is very few teenagers actually know what DMT is, and those intrigued enough can't just run out to their local herb dealer to get some. Knowledge and research is NEEDED, and any teenager willing to go through the trouble of learning about the lovely spice and how to properly extract it (which is, admittedly, incredibly easy) should be "allowed" to experience such greatness.

Who are you to judge? Just because when you were teenager you weren't capable of handling such a substance responsibly, does not mean that nobody can...

I'm 18 years old, and am on my 3rd successful extraction now. Guess that means my next step is to go sell it to all my buddies at school!! Please... that's ridiculous!

On the flip side, all the youtubers that [are causing salvia's demise] continue to threaten the "safety" of our MHRB suppliers, among other things DMT related, are [I would reckon, never watched any] foolish teenagers. I wish there was a way to prevent such abuse, but sadly there is not... as there will ALWAYS be those foolish enough to think something like that is funny. Teenagers or not. Unfortunately, most are. But, as with all things (race, sex, the music you like...), blanket statements get you nowhere and do nothing to help the problem. Knowledge, education, and RESPECT do. That is what the supposed 'teenage DMT population' needs to understand, and what we need to relay to them.

But the damn kids just won't listen... :lol:

 

[HappyCamper]

I wish there was a way to prevent such abuse, but sadly there is not... as there will ALWAYS be those foolish enough to think something like that is funny.

Damn retards made SWIM's state illegal for salvia. Now he has to order from the U.K. and such. The only thing we can do is flag, flag, flag
And yes you are right, if someone is immature, then they are looking for a quick thing which would be acid, DXM, or shrooms. But to give in hours of time to learn about DMT and then extract it is not the same as going to a dealer.

 

[wake and bacon]

But to give in hours of time to learn about DMT and then extract it is not the same as going to a dealer.

I don't think there is anyone here that disagrees...

 

['Coatl]

I think anybody under 17 should not use psychoactives of any sort.... much less DMT (or alcohol).