Alcohol + DMT

[olympus mon]

there seems to be quite an over reaction to alcohol imo. If you don't like it don't do it, but theres nothing wrong with it if you do, seems a bit like substance snobbery to me.

ive had a few beers or glass' of wine before hand with no adverse effects what so ever, I don't get smashed so I cant comment on that but a friend of mine does and he always reports equally amazing experiences drunk or not.

Here here! Well said. IMO alcohol, like television, gets lumped into this negatively pre-judged category and its not always the case. Like I said I have a few drinks at the end of the work day but rarely get drunk. I don't have a problem with this but deep down yes its something I hope to live without someday. Not because I feel booze is so evil but because I dont like feeling like I need a vice at days end.

Uni- said it best there are better ways to learn to relax, vaping dmt or not i now this is true.

Just to Clarify, depending on tolerance I don't see any issues nor had any noticeable negative effects with a drink or 2 maybe even3 spaced out through enough time. I was referring to the couple times I vaped DMT quite drunk. It was a dull experience and I remembered very little.

But you are both right. Alcohol gets demonized and yes, its not good for the body when used excessively, while some studies show positive health effects in a glass of red wine a day, but its like tv, depends on how you use it and frequency. Can't just say, any one thing is good or terrible. Any vaped or smoked substance being inhaled isn't good for our bodies and is carsonogenic so I don't place alcohol in a "bad" class.

 

[Redguard]

I've never noticed a difference between sober vs unsober. Hell i've been smashed off an entire bottle of tequila and loaded up close to a half gram and just went to town laughing like a madman. I wouldn't suggest it for you lightweights out there, there seems to be many around these parts

Now i can understand why many of you people would have issues doing something i just said and i completely agree with your thoughts. There's a big difference though with someone having 1 or 2 beers and someone drinking an entire bottle of tequila. Poison or not. Moderation is key.

 

[olympus mon]

I've never noticed a difference between sober vs unsober. Hell i've been smashed off an entire bottle of tequila and loaded up close to a half gram and just went to town laughing like a madman. I wouldn't suggest it for you lightweights out there, there seems to be many around these parts

I don't see any lightweights here. I see people all in different stages or different wants and needs but none of these substances and use is a pissing contest. What constitutes a lightweight or a heavyweight? Is downing a bottle of booze or pills then vaping an incredibly high dose of dmt make one a heavy weight? Does a person measuring out 15 mg and having a very life changing meaningful experience make on a light weight?

I'm not trying to chastise you just pointing out lightweight or heavyweights really don't exist other than in the minds and labels of some people. I feel everybody is on their own path of exploration and everybody should and has the right, including you of coarse, to do this as they see is best for them. Walk their own path at their own pace.

 

[hug46]

I wouldn't suggest it for you lightweights out there, there seems to be many around these parts

Yes , i think being a lightweight requires skill, perseverance, imagination, a steady moral compass and sometimes a little self flagellation when necessary. It"s not always an easy path to take but i now consider myself a fully fledged lightweight and it sure feels good to be finally good at something. I knew i had it in me from an early age

 

[jamie]

"Hell i've been smashed off an entire bottle of tequila and loaded up close to a half gram and just went to town laughing like a madman"

yeah..sure you did:roll:

 

[Redguard]

At one point in my life i probably would have been considered an alcoholic by 99% of the population. But then 99% of the population has little understanding of just how much a true alcoholic can handle. In my younger years i was a bit of a shall we say..... thrill seeker. "take it to the limit" was my motto. Of course it almost led me to insanity, eventually i learned to respect drugs and my body. Btw when i said lightweight i was talking about one's ability to drink alcohol. I don't regret my past, i had a good time. It led me to where I am now in life and i am very happy with myself. I made a lot of mistakes, but my mistakes have made me the person i am today. I got a clean bill of health as well

But i'm not going to sit here and demonise booz because of my silly mistakes. Nor will i criticize others for their decisions to drink alcohol. I reserve most of my judgments for myself. Especially if they are just having a few drinks and choosing to be responsible individuals.

 

[jamie]

how do you smoke 500mg of DMT, even if your drunk?

I could not care less what other people do. I have had people close to me die from lifelong alcoholism and I have watched friends so far gone with that ball and chain that they are pissing blood and unable to function much at all.

I dont demonize alcohol, I just really think it's a crappy drug as far as intoxicants go. It would be less unhealthy for people to be having a little dose of GHB or a tiny bump of cocaine with dinner than it is to have a drink if the doses are scaled evenly..that is my only point. Alcohol is a drug with a pretty shitty health profile and it is also one of the only drugs I know of where a heavy addict can have fatal seizures when they go cold turkey.

In our society people dont think twice about having a drink every night etc, but they will jump all over someone for taking heroin or cocaine and methamphetamine once a week..yet alcohol is no better(it's worse) if you want to talk about toxicity etc..

There is a long list of drugs I would rather take before I drank alcohol. For me it is just not really an experience that seems worth while. In terms of mind altering substances I would rate alcohol like 1 out of 10.

Alcohol is not bad. I ingest it daily and so does everyone else. People have always fermented fruits etc..native americans ferment berries and drink it for the benificial bacteria..I drink kombucha..I use it for extracting. It's when it is taken for psychoactive purposes that it looses my interest. There is a long history os it's use as a psychoactive drug too but it's not my thing.

 

[Redguard]

how do you smoke 500mg of DMT, even if your drunk?

I could not care less what other people do. I have had people close to me die from lifelong alcoholism and I have watched friends so far gone with that ball and chain that they are pissing blood and unable to function much at all.

I dont demonize alcohol, I just really think it's a crappy drug as far as intoxicants go. It would be less unhealthy for people to be having a little dose of GHB or a tiny bump of cocaine with dinner than it is to have a drink if the doses are scaled evenly..that is my only point. Alcohol is a drug with a pretty shitty health profile and it is also one of the only drugs I know of where a heavy addict can have fatal seizures when they go cold turkey.

In our society people dont think twice about having a drink every night etc, but they will jump all over someone for taking heroin or cocaine and methamphetamine once a week..yet alcohol is no better(it's worse) if you want to talk about toxicity etc..

There is a long list of drugs I would rather take before I drank alcohol. For me it is just not really an experience that seems worth while. In terms of mind altering substances I would rate alcohol like 1 out of 10.

Alcohol is not bad. I ingest it daily and so does everyone else. People have always fermented fruits etc..native americans ferment berries and drink it for the benificial bacteria..I drink kombucha..I use it for extracting. It's when it is taken for psychoactive purposes that it looses my interest. There is a long history os it's use as a psychoactive drug too but it's not my thing.

You don't smoke it all at once. What i did was load up a bong with a huge cone. I really do empathise with the point you are trying to make, so i don't completely disagree with you. I myself have seen friends, family members succumb to alcoholism. I work in a major city and I see it's terrible effects on a daily bases. What i came to realise, is that it's these individuals that should have never touched any drug in the first place.

As for the other drugs you mentioned..... give someone a little smack, coke, or meth and watch how fast that habit spirals into destroying their life. Someone can be an alcoholic for decades before it kills them.

I've had some crazy nights being severely under the influence. Like an idiot i watched fear and loathing and i was like... THIS MUST BE MY LIFE. Memories i will cherish for the rest of my life. (well the ones i can remember that is )

 

[ymer]

I've never noticed a difference between sober vs unsober. Hell i've been smashed off an entire bottle of tequila and loaded up close to a half gram and just went to town laughing like a madman. I wouldn't suggest it for you lightweights out there, there seems to be many around these parts

I don't see any lightweights here. I see people all in different stages or different wants and needs but none of these substances and use is a pissing contest. What constitutes a lightweight or a heavyweight? Is downing a bottle of booze or pills then vaping an incredibly high dose of dmt make one a heavy weight? Does a person measuring out 15 mg and having a very life changing meaningful experience make on a light weight?

I'm not trying to chastise you just pointing out lightweight or heavyweights really don't exist other than in the minds and labels of some people. I feel everybody is on their own path of exploration and everybody should and has the right, including you of coarse, to do this as they see is best for them. Walk their own path at their own pace.

I think you should put a warning on his post in big bold red letters stating that NO ONE SHOULD ATTEMP THAT UNLESS YOU ARE VERY EXPERIENCED.

Very irresponisble post from Redguard.

 

[Bill Cipher]

I've never noticed a difference between sober vs unsober. Hell i've been smashed off an entire bottle of tequila and loaded up close to a half gram and just went to town laughing like a madman. I wouldn't suggest it for you lightweights out there, there seems to be many around these parts

*and referee Van D'lay drops the yellow card for juvenile boastiness/irresponsible dick measuring/unrestrained bulshitting (take your pick).

Enjoy the week off, Redguard.

 

[jamie]

"As for the other drugs you mentioned..... give someone a little smack, coke, or meth and watch how fast that habit spirals into destroying their life. Someone can be an alcoholic for decades before it kills them."

If all those other drugs were legally available for as cheap as alcohol is and as accepted in society as alcohol is I think you would find that the problems often assoicated with these other drugs would be somewhat lesser compared to alcohol..opiate addiction is whole other story. Opiates are still not as toxic as alchol..both have pretty bad withdrawl symptoms..

Lots of people do use cocaine and opiates etc only occassionally btw. I have met many. Not everyone who tries cocaine or other addictive drugs becomes some kind of junkie.

Alcohol poses a much higher risk of physical addiction than cocaine does. Cocaine witchdrawls themselves only last a few days at most..alcohol withdrawls can go on for a very long time..and become far more dangerous than cocaine or crack withdrawls. I know someone whos mother has been a heavy crack and alchol addict for a very long time, and has been in therapy for it with people like Gabor Mate. She can quit the crack, without too much problems after a couple days..the alcohol though she physically cant just stop like that becasue when she does she gets bad seizures from the sudden GABA upregulation that happens.

Alcohol is not any better, safer or less addictive than something like crack.

Many people that maintain for decades as alcoholics are just as incoherant and fraked up as any heroin addict or crack addict I have met. I had a very close relative who was a heavy alcoholic his whole life and he was not maintaining anything any more than any crack head I have met could, other than the fact that alcohol is cheaper to get, and it is legal. He died last year from his addiction, drinking until the very end with a freaking pacemaker..he was likely hammered as he died.

You actaully can hold a day job, afford to get hammered every day and pay rent. You cant usually do that with other illegal drugs..so people end up on the street breaking into cars etc so they can obtain drugs. There are people on the street in the same position as well from alcoholism.

I have known a meth addict who maintained an income and managed to pay rent and live in society just like tons of alcoholics do..only difference is she was far more coherant than many alcoholics I know.

 

[olympus mon]

I think if your alive and social long enough you will know someone or someones, probably intimately in the throws of full blown corrosive addictions of various substances. I don't feel the reason or blame is on the inanimate liquid, powder, crystal, or gas. IMPE and with others I have watched die and/or end up with very long prison sentences, the drug of choice isn't the cause just the preferred feeling from escaping day to day, childhood struggles, sorrow, and feelings or needs for escape. The compulsion would manifest anyway even if say, cocaine wasn't available. All cocaine addicts wouldn't just be addiction free. Most would just chose the next best thing. So how much emphasis needs to be put on any one substance compared to the greater problem of human development and community responsibility?

So Ive seen this man or woman hold their 6 figure a year job down while being addicted to substance X, and that person hold a family together and provide while addicted to substance Y, then vice verse and others addicted to same things end up living under a bridge, literally, loosing one of the most successful studios and greatest family OD'ing alone in a puddle and body not found for 3 days, and others die from alcohol in their mid 40's. They way Ive come to see it, it all boiled down to how far a person will need to go to hit rock bottom not what thing they are addicted to.

And Xalium, Xanax, Klonapin, pretty much all benzo's addictions as well as sleeping pills like Ambien, have as high and maybe higher risk of death and seizure profile for cold turkey quitting. In fact they usually put a patient under general anesthesia for up to a week with a ventilator and feeding tube. Its that bad and I personally know 2 people that went through that.

The problem isn't alcohol, as you have pointed out the problem is with accessibility, and acceptance. That's why so many drown in the bottle opposed to other things. Raises quite a conundrum and valid point in the war of legalization of all substances now that I think about it. If cocaine, and heroin were as accepted, legal, and obtainable, would the country be better off? If Dmt was able to be purchased at the pharmacy, what kind of reputation would this sacred molecule have and how many car crashes, and fatal accident s would be caused by reckless availability to the masses of such a powerful thing?

IMO, what we are dpimg here is the answer, Information, awareness, and guidance. I think it would work for all substances more than laws and demonizing.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

Oh man, what have I started!!

I thank everyone for their posts! Well, posts with good health and safety!

I was curious! I have personally been by myself or with a friend and wanted to blast off. But since I had a drink or two I felt I can't vape or do aya that day/night.
So I guess you all cleared that up for me.

If you want to be totally "in tuned" and meditate with a clear mind and vape. That's ok.
If you have a drink or two and then later vape. That's ok too.
But to get drunk fully and decide to vape. That is asking for trouble.

 

[TOXSIN]

I've never noticed a difference between sober vs unsober. Hell i've been smashed off an entire bottle of tequila and loaded up close to a half gram and just went to town laughing like a madman. I wouldn't suggest it for you lightweights out there, there seems to be many around these parts

I don't see any lightweights here. I see people all in different stages or different wants and needs but none of these substances and use is a pissing contest. What constitutes a lightweight or a heavyweight? Is downing a bottle of booze or pills then vaping an incredibly high dose of dmt make one a heavy weight? Does a person measuring out 15 mg and having a very life changing meaningful experience make on a light weight?

I'm not trying to chastise you just pointing out lightweight or heavyweights really don't exist other than in the minds and labels of some people. I feel everybody is on their own path of exploration and everybody should and has the right, including you of coarse, to do this as they see is best for them. Walk their own path at their own pace.

Well said, besides I'd rather be a lightweight with anything and everything less used for better effect. and in the case of DMT less used means even easier to breakthrough.

 

[wearepeople]

I've smoked dmt while drunk.

I saw hellish visuals, felt like I was being ripped apart, and it felt like it would never end.

Probably the worst DMT trip I've ever had.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

See man... I have had a few drinks.... over 6 hours all together and I feel like I wanna smoalk!
I am pretty positive that it would be ok.
Let's say 4 drinks over 4 hours. Just sipping and thinking.. "dang, I feel like doing DMT!!!"

Not so bad? I hold back that urge though...

It seems alcohol seems to put me in the "mood".

I had a couple of drinks and ate MJ brownies the other day! That was cool. Woke up dizzy the next day.

Peace!

 

[olympus mon]

Mate, if you wanna smoke DMT and you had a few drinks over 6 hours then smoke DMT. Its not going to hurt you its just not the most optimum ways to get the most out of your experience. Like I said the experience feel duller. Its not a bad or dangerous thing its just not optimum.

Say how to the entities for me if you blast off. If you do give us your opinion. There, now its in the name of science so you have to, lol j/k

 

[Mindlusion]

It kills the crystaline brilliance of the experience, in my experience.

 

[Redguard]

Seeing how everyone enjoys my little snippets of wisdom i've decided to bring some more of my wonderful life experiences to light. I could continue my argument with the good Sir Jaime but i think once someone tries to argue that heroin is a better substitute to alcohol, that they have already lost. Many people here believe my comments about being a lightweight was some sort of a negative connotation by me, in part it is my fault for phrasing things the way i have. I've spent too much time in bars with crazy alcoholics so i sometimes forget how i come off.

About the whole tolerance issue, it seems to me that many people here believe its possible to gain a drug tolerance to psychedelics :twisted: Whilst it may be true in the short term, once someone has experienced a full on ego death (those experiences where you wake up from a drug trip with no clothes and understanding of who are what you are) you gain a sort of reverse tolerance. So i may have a crazy tolerance to drugs, but shit man psychedelics will always send me to the moon.

I'm no role model, I wouldn't suggest anyone to go out there and experience an ego death. Although i found it an enlightening experience it's not for everyone. In fact some don't ever come back 100% . Just understand that the more you trip, the easier it is to get inside the experience. After many years it becomes possible to have an ego death at a much smaller dose. Understand that psychedelics carry a risk, even at responsible levels. That's what i love about em . DMT had something special in place for a user such as I, a series of the most terrifying yet erotic experiences on any drug. . Even so.... i loved/hated every second of it. I'll end on this note.

Smoking DMT on alcohol may give way to visions of hell, but open your heart to this darkness and watch the visions of hell turn into the gates of heaven.

 

[hug46]

So i may have a crazy tolerance to drugs, but shit man psychedelics will always send me to the moon.

Smoking DMT on alcohol may give way to visions of hell, but open your heart to this darkness and watch the visions of hell turn into the gates of heaven.

Would you say that you are, or have been, an alcoholic?