Aliens.. pure and simple.

[zedwings]

Guys,

I need to make sense of all this.

I'm having experiences that all so overly extra-terrestrial that it's really taken me aback. I had read about DMT causing entity contact, but it was all so mystical, and spiritual. I'm having experiences like nothing I have read, and I read A LOT about DMT.

It's alien creatures, in HD. There is no doubt. Nothing that could be interpreted as something else. I become an little alien creature when I take DMT. It's completely amazing. Then as the effect wears off, I slowly turn human again. I can't stress enough how certain I am that these are aliens from another planet/dimension. I'm absolutely stunned and I'm sorry I keep creating topics everytime I trip lol.

Has ANYONE experienced this? I'm not breaking through. I remain in my room. I see coding all over the place, like advanced mathematical formulas. There is the unmistakable apparency that I am being communicated with by higher beings.

Anyone?

EDIT: these are not entities of pure light. I've done this 3 times tonight. They're flesh and blood but their language is everywhere. I spat on my desk (horrible I know, but I kept thinking there was something in my throat) and the gob was full of code and information and alien language.

I made an info sheet/questionnaire to fill in while tripping, this is what I wrote:

https://imgur.com/m68wa

 

[Rob42oiam]

haha sounds like everything i've ever encountered with Spice, everything becomes alien.. my appliances, cars, even the moon looks alien. and the coding i'm not too sure what you mean, everyone does have different experiences.. i always see Skulls and bugs across my carpet, and once i get fixated on one thing i trance out completely. so no clue but i do understand the aliens! they say.. "Come closer just abit, and we'll tell you how to live it.".. and i've always just thought they meant life.

 

[olympus mon]

Zed,
you are def not alone. In fact besides you myself and many other nexus members the Mckenna brothers main focus with tryptamines was contacting alien beings. Lsd and even mushrooms on med doses have a very organic feel to them but dmt and high dose mushrooms can only be described as pure science, alien, and the term i use atom like.

I use to get aggrevated with words like dmt elves or fairy's because I have never seen anything like that but due to mass youtube videos that seems to be what everyone was always talking about. For me it very alien. I went through a period that I was convinced that this was all quite real and that dmt was the medium for communication with higher dimensional alien consciousness. I even postulated that the thing we call God is actually an alien.

That was an exciting time for me. I would use dmt almost every night after work 2 or 3 journey's at a time trying to understand more and make contact with these beings. eventually things got out of hand and it was causing me problems in the real world so i had to stop. It became harder and harder to hang on to reality. It just all got too weird to be healthy so i took 18 months off from dmt.

Now I dont know exactly what to think. after my year down in S.A. and Peru working with ayahausca things got very real once again but I was more prepared for it. It took a lot of energy and some help from good friends but i managed to stay pretty grounded.
All I would bet my money on at this point is that the true nature of reality is so strange and peculiar that I doubt we could comprehend it even if we were shown the whole truth.

the rabbit hole is incredibly deep and not everyone wants to go down there. For me and my personality type that is exactly where I wanted to go. Then i got there and it wasn't at all what I expected it to be.

Stay grounded, that the best words of advice i can give anyone working with dmt. Its not hard to go a bit sideways with this stuff.

Thanks for sharing.
Cheers' mate.

 

[Rob42oiam]

Sideways you go indeed may you..my thing was i never got what they spoke about until i seen it myself but i think the entities they speak of are spirits, i've seen what i thought was a ghost in my old house, we had some rather weird things go on there.. but back to the subject one day me and my ex gf saw this ball of light simply float through the room and dissapear with a slight pop.. was weird but when i had my first breakthrough with a god head experience it was this ball of light that i seen and it was truly invigorating to think that is what we would become after we pass on, not to just rot but to float around in another dimension as pure energy.. i wouldn't mind telling people who floated through the planes onto the ones we'll walk later after passing how to live just a little bit better, but this is just a thought.. but yes its very hard to not lose your footing after a encounter with this magical substance.

 

[jamie]

Well, first of all the claim of some that this is all just some process generated within your brain is a stupid one in my opinion. People pretend to know all kinds of silly things that science itself has not even observed either way and I personally do not know why. It is an opinion, that has no hard proof behind it and nothing more. People are welcome to it but dont fool yourself into thinking you hold the truth for everyone else.

The idea that there is some kind of unconscious program in my head running that is brough to the surface with DMT(and also while taking nothing) that is filled with strange beings from other star systems flying around in space ships etc sounds more far fetched than the idea that all of this is actaully going on out there. It is a big universe and we understand a very small fraction of a percent of it.

Noone ever really gives any decent explaination for why the same phenomenon is observed across vastly different cultures, spanning from drug users to stone cold sober rationalists. Why would we all have THAT in our heads?

I for one have seen a UFO in person while stone cold sober and I had over 100 other people who all saw the same thing as well to back it up. Many people claim UFO's cant exist and roll theyre eyes when the topic comes up. This is just how the world is. The world is not a strait foreword rational place. People occupy subjective reality tunnels..billions of reality tunnels walking around colliding with each other. When you concider the sitaution and weigh the possabilities, the idea of what can be "true" and what can be "false" based on a scientific method that exists within a culture that cant even explain 1% of the known universe seems too limiting to be able to ever make accurate judgements.

When the mystery descends upon your life, leaving nothing but a fading glimmer of paradox in it's wake it is not something we can poke with sticks in the days after and measure with rulers. It is not the experience that is flawed, it the methods we apply that claim to provide the one objective truth that come up short. Anyone who thinks different most likely has no experience with the type of experience I am referring to or they are lying to themselves. Humans know very little, it really IS that simple.

 

[Rob42oiam]

Very well put jamie, i probably couldn't have thought of half of that.. but i do think you sir\ma'am are correct indeed.. we have such a small understanding of not just the universe but our own home planet, i wish we could have a way to connect to the planet itself first so we could open our minds to the possibilities that await us out in the void thats just being itself..

 

[entheogenadvocate]

Zed,
All I would bet my money on at this point is that the true nature of reality is so strange and peculiar that I doubt we could comprehend it even if we were shown the whole truth.

Cheers' mate.

Wow... just had to say you nailed it! I couldn't possibly agree more.

I've had contact with "greys" and other alien type creatures many times. But as Olympus Mon put so well, I just don't know what to think. This universe is a crazy place.

I've come out of many breakthroughs thinking I've discovered EXACTLY how the world works... only to have my next breakthrough completely obliterate the possibility of my previous assumptions remaining viable.

My original question to DMT was, "Is this all there is to life?". It vehemently answered, "NO", then proceeded to raise an infinite number of additional questions.

I try to bask in the beauty of the complexity of the world we live in, rather than dwell on the fact that I really have no idea what is going on.

For the record though, I definitely believe in aliens

 

[entheogenadvocate]

Well, first of all the claim of some that this is all just some process generated within your brain is a stupid one in my opinion. People pretend to know all kinds of silly things that science itself has not even observed either way and I personally do not know why. It is an opinion, that has no hard proof behind it and nothing more. People are welcome to it but dont fool yourself into thinking you hold the truth for everyone else.

The idea that there is some kind of unconscious program in my head running that is brough to the surface with DMT(and also while taking nothing) that is filled with strange beings from other star systems flying around in space ships etc sounds more far fetched than the idea that all of this is actaully going on out there. It is a big universe and we understand a very small fraction of a percent of it.

Noone ever really gives any decent explaination for why the same phenomenon is observed across vastly different cultures, spanning from drug users to stone cold sober rationalists. Why would we all have THAT in our heads?

I for one have seen a UFO in person while stone cold sober and I had over 100 other people who all saw the same thing as well to back it up. Many people claim UFO's cant exist and roll theyre eyes when the topic comes up. This is just how the world is. The world is not a strait foreword rational place. People occupy subjective reality tunnels..billions of reality tunnels walking around colliding with each other. When you concider the sitaution and weigh the possabilities, the idea of what can be "true" and what can be "false" based on a scientific method that exists within a culture that cant even explain 1% of the known universe seems too limiting to be able to ever make accurate judgements.

When the mystery descends upon your life, leaving nothing but a fading glimmer of paradox in it's wake it is not something we can poke with sticks in the days after and measure with rulers. It is not the experience that is flawed, it the methods we apply that claim to provide the one objective truth that come up short. Anyone who thinks different most likely has no experience with the type of experience I am referring to or they are lying to themselves. Humans know very little, it really IS that simple.

Absolutely Epic Post. Adding anything besides "thank you" would be superfluous

 

[Felnik]

I've had a a very similar thing going on for a while. As olympus mon put it staying grounded is ultra important. This kind of thing can really mess with you.

The feeling I've had is really the entities become us.
Its like some kind of abduction type thing going on. They use us to feel this reality.

I had a moment where it suddenly dawned on me that we have no idea what these things are or what they are doing. They have some serious skills thats for sure.

My spice experiences have become extremely consistent. its always contact with some kind of intelligence every time.

Its true the nature of the universe is much stranger than we can possibly imagine.
Remember this thing can get really weird to put it mildly so integration and grounding is really important.

 

[olympus mon]

I've come out of many breakthroughs thinking I've discovered EXACTLY how the world works... only to have my next breakthrough completely obliterate the possibility of my previous assumptions remaining viable.

This is 100% spot on! i wish more people could read this sentence as its imperative to staying healthy and getting the most out of your experiences.

Its that exact reason why i no longer can trust what I feel is true vs. what may be true. Although I understand and agree for the most part with Jaime's thoughts the way i see it is that science is the only thing offering us something tangible as well as evident as to wtf is going on. this is why i just cant discount that in all likelihood all this may simply be chemical reactions and neuron activity in our brains. Even though every cell in body feel it is real I have had that same feeling about information received in hyper space only to have it completely contradicted by the next o so real feeling the following journey. This is why I must say I don't trust what dmt shows me anymore.

I try to find a nice middle ground and its not easy to do.

 

[christian]

Guys, I need to make sense of all this.

This is the heart of the problem. People that find it difficult to just let the experience work through them in a non judgemental awareness.

What i mean by this is that i think the experience is NOT meant to be analised. This is where the limitations of the thinking and rational mind attempt very badly to try and make something non tangiable, tangiable. Such experiences are meant to be left to flow freely. This is where one must use restraint and discipline. The minute you start to try and think out it's meaning you will surely be stumped.

Crazy but true, this is the secret of what's working here. Just let it be, and be happy with that-or suffer forever attempting to figure out the unfigureable. That's what i think anyhow.

I guess the whole purpose of the stuff is that it clears out blockages by showing the "bigness" of all that is, and in doing so demonstrates just how trivial our earthly concerns are-which are mostly thanks to our judgements anyhow. Therefore, thinking and analysing an experience is perhaps the worse thing you can do, because all you're doing is diminishing the whole experience by your limited thinking and learned judgements, not only that you are reinstating new blocks.:shock: , so the LESSONS haven't been learnt.

The pysch is trying to help you to understand the beauty of simply being. I know it's hard because wi live in a Society that is limited unfortunately by the parameters of the thinking mind. The psych experience in my opinion is trying to demonstrate the folly of the "thinking" mind, and just how it can mess things up real bad.

Just my 1/2 cent.

 

[Felnik]

Just witnessing it with no attachment to any one explanation
Perhaps . All theories provisional as TM said . Every journey creates a new mystery .

It is a real house of mirrors that's for sure .
I used to think there was a clear answer of some sort to be found in there . Now I think its beyond our current ability to comprehend it .

 

[christian]

I used to think there was a clear answer of some sort to be found in there . Now I think its beyond our current ability to comprehend it .

Definately. Hey , if we can't get to grips to this modern day lifestyle we are living, what hope is there for us to understand the bigger pisture???.. I guess we can only stand back in amazement at the magnificent nature of "what is", and that's where the power of the stuff resides in simpleton terms.

just a possibility, anyhow.:d

 

[Wax]

Christian, I resonate with what you are saying. Many times I have tried to steer the direction of my trip and it seems like the spice actually got angry in a sense, everything would become even more chaotic and intense due to the simple act of trying to think about something I wanted. When you just go with the flow it opens up and shows you love and beauty. This fits well with your idea of showing us that our reasoning is futile and that we just need to experience the wonder of it all passively to gain the real benefit.

Felnik, I also have had the same thoughts as you regarding the entities essentially switching bodies with us, sort of a mutual exchange of realities. Although it was not very mutual feeling as I was about to be forced out of my body by an alien, I too had thoughts of "what do they want with my body?" but I was the one who initiated it so I guess I wanted it

 

[Eliyahu]

Well I see everyone has done a wonderful job on this thread, explaining the alien thing.
so I have little more to add other than to say I heard these "Aliens" speak Hebrew language to me one time and they urged me to learn Hebrew in order to better understand them. Some of the Aliens have since identified to me as the "Elohim" which is a hebrew word that means "Gods".


Also JAMIE ....that was an amazing post, you are one seriously articulate individual.

 

[Sky Motion]

Reading about DMT showed little light into what experiences I was actually having when I first started smoking.

No love, no light, no angles or happy dancing entities..

Just alien-ness, even the entities I've seen have all been shadowy shapes and made of weird lighted beams of light.

For the most-part DMT for me has been very weird and nothing like I expected, that's why I have not used in a while and am looking for other routes of administration.

 

[christian]

Christian, I resonate with what you are saying. Many times I have tried to steer the direction of my trip and it seems like the spice actually got angry in a sense, everything would become even more chaotic and intense due to the simple act of trying to think about something I wanted. When you just go with the flow it opens up and shows you love and beauty. This fits well with your idea of showing us that our reasoning is futile and that we just need to experience the wonder of it all passively to gain the real benefit.

Thanks Archaic.

It's just my own opinion that it's helping teach you what's best for yourself, like your own best friend. There's nothing better than self confidence gained from the source.

 

[Trippym]

For some reason we as humans seem to not get abstract concepts , we are so based on logic , language is only usefull for logic non abstract concepts things that are defined in terms of other things...ex. nothing = lack of something , something = lack of nothing....we work with the concept of infinity within mathematics everyday but it's not realy defined just sort of worked around by seeing how numbers behave when it strives towards infinity...I love the fact that dmt breaks all the "logic" rules.......I've had long conversations with close friends about our psychedelic experiences and often we come to the conclusion : I know u know but it's almost useless in a way to talk about it because the words don't exist , I wish we could communicate with feelings in everyday life!!!....life is so awesome I think I've given up on trying to explain things to myself , the experience is a gift I see it and it's not based on the rules of our universe....some of these entities are so different in every way it's insane...I started by trying to convince myself it's a part of me but I dunno anymore these things exist but where and how...we are truly privaleged to have experienced it! brain chemicals causeing this my ass , I know I have a good imagination but not good enough to create breakthrough kind of stuff???

 

[zedwings]

I still don't think I have broken through, despite my knee jerk post. I remained in my room the whole time, everything else took on a different form.

I'm striving for that awe-inspiring, life changing cataclysmic breakthrough. I have very little visuals on my trips. I want to see what Terence McKenna called the Chrysanthemum, and then I want to shoot through it at the speed of light into Hyperspace.

I guess I'll keep trying, and experimenting with dosage. If only we could purify our spice enough to make IV a viable and risk-free option.

Thanks for all the advice and comments.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

Zed - try ayahuasca! I have heard it is deeper of an experience!