amor_fati's Approach to Freebase Conversion of DMT (now w/ nontoxic pictorial)

[amor_fati]

[WIKI]https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Amor_fati's_Approach_to_Freebase_Conversion_of_DMT[/WIKI]

Original OP:

One of the problems SWIM's always had with freebase conversion is that decanting can be a pain in the ass, and that filters of any kind don't always cut it for trapping magnesium sulfate powder if used in the normal manner. This is the method SWIM now uses for the process:

1. Mix DMT fumarate with an equal amount of sodium carbonate and moisten thoroughly.
2. Allot adequate time and stirring for complete reaction.
3. Mix in anhydrous magnesium sulfate until material is thoroughly dry.
4. Prepare a small THP by cutting the bottom off a small HDPE bottle, stuffing cotton balls in the neck, inverting it and suspending it over a glass receiving vessel.
5. Empty the material into THP and pour anhydrous acetone through the material into the collection vessel.
6. If particulates leak through the filter, pour the acetone back into THP and repeat until no more leakage occurs and until satisfied with the level of saturation as indicated by the color of the solution.
7. Pour acetone into an evaporation dish
8. Continue to pull with acetone until material is apparently exhausted as indicated by a lack of coloration.
* the material can be left in THP and stored as such to be reused without removing the old material or filter.
9. Evaporate in a dry space with or without airflow, and if a puddle of water forms and the smell of acetone has dissipated, pour an approximately equal amount of fresh acetone back onto the dish to hasten evaporation.
* add a small amount of heptane to yield a more solid waxy product.
10. Allow crystal formations to cover most of the dish before scraping.
11. The resulting product will be of a waxy consistency when scraped up.
12. Store in a cool, dark place in a sealed container, preferably protected from moisture and oxygen.

 

[amor_fati]

Just today, SWIM used the method outlined above with some slight enhancements to achieve conversion from fumarate to solidified, full-range extract of jurema freebase within the day's time.

SWIM evaporated the acetone in a food dehydrator below 100F until a small pool of moisture was left. SWIM then added acetone and heptane to that moisture, tilted the dish to saturate the entirety of the product and continued to evaporate with light heat and airflow in the dehydrator until only several drops of liquid remained. SWIM then proceeded to attempt manual crystallization of the product by spreading the oil evenly across the dish and frequently distributing 3-5 drops of acetone evenly across the surface. SWIM only added these drops in about three sets, then he simply proceeded to firmly spread the oil across the dish in cross-hatched manner with a razor blade. When the oil took on a thick pasty consistency, he began using a lab spatual instead of the razor blade. SWIM would continually spread the product over the dish and scrape it back up. Then he simply spread it thin over the dish and it soon solidified like clay. The manual crystallization portion took less than an hour.

SWIM will amend this to the tek and do a wiki writeup when gets the chance. Happy Mithras Day, Nexus!

Here's the results of this experimentation:

 

[amor_fati]

After successful experimentation, SWIM has simplified the tek, eliminating the necessity of heptane and making a few previously included steps optional.

 

[amor_fati]

Since SWIM's never quite satisfied, and wants to develop a reliable non-toxic version of this (effectively removing the need for acetone, in turn removing the need for MgSO4 and THP), SWIM's going to be performing an experiment.

One thing SWIM's noticed during first stages of freebase conversion is that the spice becomes an oil in the paste, so SWIM hypothesizes that if after forming this oil, he simply washes away the sodium carbonate and salt products with more water until nothing more than the oil remains, the spice can be recrystallized manually in the same manner described in the current tek to yield the cleanest, most nontoxic freebase spice imaginable.

SWIM's so excited! He really loves Winter.

 

[Dimitrius]

I'm watching this....:shock:

 

[amor_fati]

Well here we go: SWIM weighed an amount of DMT fumarate retrieved by limtek and an amount of sodium carbonate in excess of 2:1. SWIM mixed the two in a pile on his trusty old evap dish and added an amount of water to moisten the mixture. After the bubbling ceased, SWIM used a razor blade to spread the mixture thinly and evenly across the dish. SWIM then added more water to the dish and tilted it in order to bring into contact with the entire contents of the dish until it had visibly dissolved every grain of sodium carbonate (at first, some spice particulates were floating around in the water, but they seemed to settle as more sodium carbonate and salts were dissolved). The water was carefully poured into another container to be collected, and the process was repeated once more with a smaller amount of water to ensure total dissolution of the soluble byproducts. The oily product left on the plate was then firmly spread thinly across the dish repeatedly until it began to thicken. Then product was repeatedly scraped up and spread out until it thickened significantly more. The product was finally spread thin and allowed to harden to a clay-like consistency. When scraped up, the product was compacted by tools and by hand to make a more dense solid.

The results were apparently short by about 75mg, for which SWIM can think of many possible reasons, but in any case, SWIM will save and reuse the washing water used in the process. The whole process took about an hour, and the losses were reasonably minimal (if any losses at all, depending on the reason for the inconsistency in weights), but SWIM suspects that the percent loss may greatly reduce when using larger amounts.

In short, apart from some minor tweaking, this process works reasonably well and quite easily so. SWIM has yielded a solid freebase spice product by completely nontoxic, food-grade processes.

 

[amor_fati]

The wiki page has been updated with a tek including a pictorial. The nontoxic procedure has also been amended to the nontoxic extraction, as well.

Amor fati's Approach to Freebase Spice Conversion - DMT-Nexus Wiki
Amor fati's Nontoxic Approach to Spice Extraction - DMT-Nexus Wiki


The collected wash water still smells of DMT, so SWIM suspects most of the loss was simply lost in the wash water. It's easily retrievable, however. The resulting product is dense and dry enough that it doesn't leave residue on the fingers when handled and clinks on glass when dropped.

 

[transitory]

I never saw this thread before- sorry for cluttering up your extraction tek thread mate.

excellent wiki pages amor!

I'll be trying out your Nontoxic Freebase Conversion on some of my full spectrum fumarate reserves this weekend.

It's gonna be great to take the smell of acetone out of the job - not the GF's favourite fragrance :roll:

Thanks again! :d

 

[amor_fati]

It's gonna be great to take the smell of acetone out of the job - not the GF's favourite fragrance :roll:

SWIM knows how that goes...


When SWIY tries it, be sure to use amounts that feel right. Don't use too much sodium carbonate, or SWIY'll have to use an excess of water and may lose some product; that being said, use as little water as possible. SWIM'll continue working on tweaking the tek to make sure it takes all factors into consideration. SWIM would love to hear of the results, it should only take about an hour for half a gram's worth or so.

 

[amor_fati]

Oh and by the way, the success of this process means that any extracted spice should able to be recrystallized simply by melting it in a little water and simply working it around as detailed in the teks above (recrystallizing in less than an hour, as well). If the product was originally crystallized with any toxic solvent, this process will likely help to get rid of most of that residual solvent. The other advantage of this is that the product will hold it's solid structure more easily over time and will be quite easy to handle and cut into manageable doses. The product resulting from this can be handled by hand without even leaving residue on one's fingers.

 

[narmz]

What causes your spice to be that orange-brown peanut butter color and consistency? SWIM remembers getting product similar to that before he started washing his fumarates with IPA, before the freebase step. He remembers that spice being a bit harsh, and leaving a taste on the tongue, is this similar to what you've experienced with this stuff?

 

[amor_fati]

What causes your spice to be that orange-brown peanut butter color and consistency? SWIM remembers getting product similar to that before he started washing his fumarates with IPA, before the freebase step. He remembers that spice being a bit harsh, and leaving a taste on the tongue, is this similar to what you've experienced with this stuff?

Washing with IPA likely washes off most of the other alkaloids in jurema. If it's white, there's probably not much jungles spice (if any). SWIM doesn't find this harsh at all, and neither do any of his buddies.

 

[narmz]

That's interesting, SWIM did a xylene STB once and salted with FASA, the results were pure white crystalline fumarates. Being that this should have been full spectrum, would you say that the fumarate salts of "jungle" alkaloids are indistinguishable from the fumarate salts of DMT? SWIM never freebased any of the product to know what it ended up looking like, so does not know first hand how the freebased jungle alks appear.

 

[amor_fati]

That's interesting, SWIM did a xylene STB once and salted with FASA, the results were pure white crystalline fumarates. Being that this should have been full spectrum, would you say that the fumarate salts of "jungle" alkaloids are indistinguishable from the fumarate salts of DMT? SWIM never freebased any of the product to know what it ended up looking like, so does not know first hand how the freebased jungle alks appear.

Supposedly the fumarate precipitated by FASA from xylene is almost pure DMT. SWIM's FASA precipitates were mostly white with a slight yellow hue, but when he purified it and did a hasty recrystallization to form incredibly dense pebble-like solids, they took on a reddish hue (DMT in any form seems to take on a darker hue when it becomes more dense without uniform structure from SWIM's experience). Apparently slow crystallization would have yielded whitish crystals.

SWIM would imagine that the jungle fumarates are possibly soluble in acetone (possibly xyelene, but that would be unlikely) as well as IPA. It would also likely be quite water-soluble (especially compared to limonene), which would account for it's retrieval by FASW.

The color of the fumarate pictured is primarily due to the implementation of a hasty crystallization process (which turned out more sandy--though rocky--than pure DMT fumarate crystallized in a similar manner--pebble-like, as mentioned); when slowly crystallized, it yielded reddish crystalline fumarate.

 

[Bill Cipher]

These may be dumb questions, but how can you really know that you've washed away all of the sodium carbonate? Isn't even trace amounts in your finished freebase product a really, really bad thing?

 

[amor_fati]

These may be dumb questions, but how can you really know that you've washed away all of the sodium carbonate? Isn't even trace amounts in your finished freebase product a really, really bad thing?

Certainly it can't be guaranteed, but when there is leftover sodium carbonate, it seems to crystallize distinctly from the product, given its polarity. Baked goods will contain some amount of sodium carbonate, as the heating of the baking soda content releases CO2 to give a fluffy quality to the goods. The amount of sodium carbonate content found in these goods would greatly exceed any potential content in product converted in this manner--especially in terms of the amount consumed. Sodium carbonate also isn't easily melted or combustible either.

In any case, SWIM will take sodium carbonate to any amount of solvent fumes any day.

 

[amor_fati]

SWIM just wanted to report that having drytek THP still set up, after having poured his sodium carbonate washes from the nontoxic conversion into that THP, and after having used his last drop of acetone pouring through that THP, SWIM decided to use his leftover anhydrous IPA by pouring it through and evaping to collect any leftover freebase. This took much longer to evaporate than SWIM's accustomed to, having used acetone for so long, even after popping in the dehydrator. He used his normal hasty manual crystallization process but had a tough time getting it to dry and harden; even after a few days, it's still not incredibly dry.

SWIM hasn't had this problem with acetone, heptane, or water, so it raises some concern with the use of IPA for rendering freebase. SWIM imagines that acetone and heptane's high volatility allow them to evaporate quite immediately and that spice's near insolubility in water helps to force it out of its solid structure, but IPA's relatively low volatility, combined with its high solubility of spice, cause it to linger more readily in freebase product. SWIM has vaporized this product, and it seems normal, but the consistency kind of bugs him and possibly indicates the stated possibility.

SWIM was considering amending the use of IPA as an optional alternative to acetone in his drytek conversion, but these results made him rethink it.

 

[timeloop]

great tek amor_fati!

SWIM just wanted to contribute to the IPA issues that you posted above.

SWIM completed some limonene pulls-> back to acid with vine gar-> evaporate to gooey DMT acetate -> basify with 2x sodium carbonate paste -> pull with IPA

now when SWIM completed a few final IPA pulls he noticed that is seemed that some IPA disolved or at least carried over with the DMT. This batch of DMT did vaporized very well and seemed quite potent, although it did occasional leave a white residue and seemed to crackle a little when vaporized.

OK.

SWIM decided to clean up about 646mg of this DMT using this tek. SWIM didnt bother adding any additional sodium carbonate as SWIM assummed that there was some still left with the DMT.

so a few tiny drops of water were added to the 646mg of dmt... this was spread around and thoroughly mixed. SWIM waited until it dried so that it would adhere to the evap dish. A few more drops were added and this water was poured off. This was completed 3 or 4 times. During the fourth wash an excess amount of water was added. This was not a good idea as most of the DMT was washed off the surface of the evap dish and it was very difficult to pour off only water.

Now the results were surprising for swim. Once the DMT had dried and was collected there was only about 200mg of freebase left! The dish that all of the water was collected in was evaporated to reveal a large amount of white sodium carbonate (with a significant amount of DMT particles spread throughout due to the last excess water wash). This spice has not been tested yet but will be in the coming days.

Overall this tek seems like a very easy way to purify unwanted things from our spice

questions

Does IPA disolve sodium carbonate?

Does sodium carbonate vaporize easily? Is sodium carbonate dangerous to inhale? How dangerous? why?

 

[amor_fati]

Thoroughly dry IPA doesn't seem to carry sodium carbonate with it (certainly in the case of SWIM's drytek THP method), but any amount of water contamination will. HOWEVER, SWIM did his own test with sodium carbonate by simply taking a spoon-full and applying a direct flame from a butane torch. No emissions or physical changes could be observed, though there was a slight crackle initially, but SWIM believes this to be due to sodium carbonate's slight hygroscopy since MgSO4 will make similar sounds in the oven when being rendered anhydrous. Sodium carbonate contamination does seem to be subject to combustion or vaporization under normal heating, as SWIM had come to expect from everything he's been led to believe and has now discovered for himself. He accepted this as common knowledge for most of his time with drytek freebase conversions, as he used to decant acetone and almost always get some minor particulates in his product.

Now, SWIM probably needs to tweak the notes in his conversion tek, as it's important that the water being decanted is adequately basic to prevent dissolution. Neutral water will dissolve freebase spice to a degree, especially if the spice is disturbed too much so that it floats around in droplets. It's very important that a bare minimum of water be added initially, the mixture spread thinly, and the wash be performed gently. Keep in mind that anything lost is retrievable, however, but these few tips should prevent that loss. SWIM may change the tek to use only one wash, since that wash will likely retrieve the majority of sodium carbonate and salts if enough water is added that all visible grains are dissolved. If all the visible grains are dissolved, it's fairly save to assume most of the less visible grains have already dissolved; in fact, considering that the reaction between the sodium carbonate and fumaric acid has to occur while dissolved in water, it's fairly safe to assume that their product remain in solution while the freebase precipitates out, as it's prone to do in a basic environment, especially at such high concentrations.

 

[amor_fati]

I embedded the wiki tek into the OP to test out the embed function, but it appears a bit cramped. I also edited the process to only require one wash to avoid any product loss. I'll likely go throught the thread and delete attached photos to reduce clutter.