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Ancient Egypt and Ancient Israel used DMT?
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Interesting, grist to the mill of Graham Hancock and visa verse.
But too much of speculation for me. It all goes like: "I believe that ... x and y ...."
Acacia was worshipped, interesting but?
About where I live there is historical worshipping and deep spiritual meaning to oaks. It's spirit has actually been consolidated as the green man. Just like the Egyptians, and we speak of same time in history, humans and seemingly incompatible nature forms gets mixed.
If you're interested: Oak
and had their version of a pyramid going:
Lesser known but the Mabinogion is full of tales that could quite be explained by dmt use, really far out stuff. The stories are medieval but the origins go as far back as possible in time, it is the main heritage reference point for many who pay love to their particular EU ancestry. A lot of art and understanding is derived from the mabinogion directly just like Jen Delyth illustrates, if you like her art you'd be glad buying her book or dvd.
A transformation experience of realm is key here but not needing dmt necessarily, the visuals indicating.
We can really ask how paramount dmt is. Is it really impossible that there were other influences that inspired Egyptians and that we rolled it all back to acacia/dmt? Questions.....
I'd like to see very much that one recipe, one writing, one description on all of the Egyptian walls that unmistakeably represents dmt(tea) usage. A depicted person holding a pot won't do. It could be true though, or maybe not.
Because of it's scientific nature I found this interesting;
It also shows how hard the life of a scientist can be in it's own circle of professionalism.
But too much of speculation for me. It all goes like: "I believe that ... x and y ...."
Acacia was worshipped, interesting but?
About where I live there is historical worshipping and deep spiritual meaning to oaks. It's spirit has actually been consolidated as the green man. Just like the Egyptians, and we speak of same time in history, humans and seemingly incompatible nature forms gets mixed.
If you're interested: Oak
and had their version of a pyramid going:
There was no usable dmt in the regional entheogens at hand as far as we know of, still come up with same sorts of inspiration.https://worldhistory.us/european-history/silbury-hill-ancient-mound-of-mystery.php said:
Lesser known but the Mabinogion is full of tales that could quite be explained by dmt use, really far out stuff. The stories are medieval but the origins go as far back as possible in time, it is the main heritage reference point for many who pay love to their particular EU ancestry. A lot of art and understanding is derived from the mabinogion directly just like Jen Delyth illustrates, if you like her art you'd be glad buying her book or dvd.
We can really ask how paramount dmt is. Is it really impossible that there were other influences that inspired Egyptians and that we rolled it all back to acacia/dmt? Questions.....
I'd like to see very much that one recipe, one writing, one description on all of the Egyptian walls that unmistakeably represents dmt(tea) usage. A depicted person holding a pot won't do. It could be true though, or maybe not.
Because of it's scientific nature I found this interesting;
ajlala
Rising Star
Thanks, that's interesting!Jees said:
If DMT sources weren't available in the Ancient West Country, then certainly psilocybin was available (liberty caps, etc) and abundant in this part of England and Wales? (I visited Wales when I was about 5 years old, so was not exactly looking, and just remember visiting castles).
I wonder in what period of history, knowledge of psilocybin-containing mushrooms became forgotten (by medieval times, I presume, these were only used secretly by underground, forgotten groups of "witches", etc)?
Also Mabinogion was written in medieval Wales... I wonder if the knowledge of local mushrooms still existed or was prevalent in at least the early medieval period?
ajlala
Rising Star
If you remember the story of Adam and Eve.
There is the famous Tree of Knowledge, whose fruit imparts a "knowledge of good and bad" (according to the original Hebrew translation), although this could mean "knowledge of everything".
After eating the fruit of the tree, man becomes in a way human (faced with life and death).
It seems almost like a story of the birth of human consciousness is connected to the tree.
en.wikipedia.org
There is the famous Tree of Knowledge, whose fruit imparts a "knowledge of good and bad" (according to the original Hebrew translation), although this could mean "knowledge of everything".
After eating the fruit of the tree, man becomes in a way human (faced with life and death).
It seems almost like a story of the birth of human consciousness is connected to the tree.
Tree of the knowledge of good and evil - Wikipedia
Yes in Wales the mushies can be picked openly in the fields.
We know so little of the Celts and their ways, too bad.
A good portion of mushies can indeed rock one's indole's sensitivity
very much enough to inspire some Celtic arts.
I used to wander at night through forests with some contemporary "witches" and do some rituals (as an invited person), I got close enough to monitor their interests in entheogen, but that was a bummer. As you say, it seems they forgotten the essence of the plants. They are all over plants, but not in "that" way.
I realize the covens differ, some might do it I suppose, but the international section I was with (Greencraft) did not support any other enheogen than alcohol. Talked to some of their high-priests (used to know one of them pretty well up to a personal base) and nothing interesting in actual use of plants to "travel". It was for me the reason not to connect to a coven.
Good point about adam&Eve and the tree of life.
I don't take these things literal, but meaning it has.
We know so little of the Celts and their ways, too bad.
A good portion of mushies can indeed rock one's indole's sensitivity
very much enough to inspire some Celtic arts.I used to wander at night through forests with some contemporary "witches" and do some rituals (as an invited person), I got close enough to monitor their interests in entheogen, but that was a bummer. As you say, it seems they forgotten the essence of the plants. They are all over plants, but not in "that" way.
I realize the covens differ, some might do it I suppose, but the international section I was with (Greencraft) did not support any other enheogen than alcohol. Talked to some of their high-priests (used to know one of them pretty well up to a personal base) and nothing interesting in actual use of plants to "travel". It was for me the reason not to connect to a coven.
Good point about adam&Eve and the tree of life.
I don't take these things literal, but meaning it has.
Cool Jess, Can you tell an nightime witch story or two (please)?
trncefigurate_aomn
Rising Star
There is an interesting passage in the Protevangelium of James; in terms of implying an entheogenic drink, in a very meaningful context;
``And the priest said, 'Give back the virgin whom you have received from the temple of the Lord.' And Joseph began to weep. And the priest said, 'I will give you both to drink the water of the conviction of the Lord, and it will make your sins manifest in your eyes.'
And the priest took it and gave it to Joseph to drink and sent him into the hill-country, and he returned whole.
And he made Mary drink also, and sent her into the hill-country, and she returned whole.
And all the people marvelled, because sin did not appear in them. ``
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About Acacia Nilotica, a recent thread here called "Moses and the burning bush" has introduced a discussion still ongoing that it is plausible: that there may have been methods of processing parts of the tree, and other plants and substances with which to combine it, that are unknown today.
Or, even, the alkaloid composition may have been different in the past.
(Referring to that, as of recent times, assessments of the alkaloid composition do not support the idea of it as a functioning entheogen.)
``And the priest said, 'Give back the virgin whom you have received from the temple of the Lord.' And Joseph began to weep. And the priest said, 'I will give you both to drink the water of the conviction of the Lord, and it will make your sins manifest in your eyes.'
And the priest took it and gave it to Joseph to drink and sent him into the hill-country, and he returned whole.
And he made Mary drink also, and sent her into the hill-country, and she returned whole.
And all the people marvelled, because sin did not appear in them. ``
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
About Acacia Nilotica, a recent thread here called "Moses and the burning bush" has introduced a discussion still ongoing that it is plausible: that there may have been methods of processing parts of the tree, and other plants and substances with which to combine it, that are unknown today.
Or, even, the alkaloid composition may have been different in the past.
(Referring to that, as of recent times, assessments of the alkaloid composition do not support the idea of it as a functioning entheogen.)
I couldLoveall said:
I know a lot of people chuckle at wicca (Harry Potter and wands) and that's all okay. It is just a religion, no more no less. A bunch of romantics giving specific meaning to the various parts of nature, a nature inspired religion. Quite harmless as far as I could see and no wands waving really. I was mostly interested being out in the dark, it's something different, like a forest in the early morning differs from one at noon. Even with an empty mind you can enjoy such a silent walk and that was my motivation mostly. With such religions you have to make it work for you the way you want it imho, like much in life I suppose. In the end it was not my cup of tea, neither was the theosophical movement I explored a bit of. Nice people though and more worthy/creative than sitting in front of a TV all day.
What a way to describe a drink yet is it sure an entheogen drink? Because they also use wine and call it "the blood of Christ", you know those dudes draw superlatives easily.trncefigurate said:
trncefigurate_aomn
Rising Star
Yes! I included that for context, but it is the rest of the passage that is actually intriguing, and at least resembles an entheogenic practice.
Whatever is being referred to would normally cause people who have imbibed it, then also being themselves to a secluded, natural place, to have some sort of significant reaction.
Whatever is being referred to would normally cause people who have imbibed it, then also being themselves to a secluded, natural place, to have some sort of significant reaction.
trncefigurate_aomn said:
This again. Interesting line of conjecture but one that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.
The acacia nilotica is an evergreen shrub. Like many others in traditions around the world, the fact that it does not seem to "die" and come back to life annually it represents the power of life.
The amounts of DMT are negligible.
Like aliens being the only ones that could have possibly built pyramids, having dmt as the only method to achieve visionary states is a strangely baroque reductionist view.
The acacia nilotica is an evergreen shrub. Like many others in traditions around the world, the fact that it does not seem to "die" and come back to life annually it represents the power of life.
The amounts of DMT are negligible.
Like aliens being the only ones that could have possibly built pyramids, having dmt as the only method to achieve visionary states is a strangely baroque reductionist view.
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