I feel betrayed entering this world without a cent of truth in my interpretations of everybody's 'subjective experiences'. I would say it, but I doubt anybody who runs this house would like me explaining the secret haha... Incredible, I guess I can never go back to 'life' lol...
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You don't know until you know, and then you still don't know, and won't ever know.
Still, some things you just have to see for yourself.
Still, some things you just have to see for yourself.
BigBurlyBill
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Please elaborate on what you are speaking of. I have experienced this, but I would like to know what it is you are specifically referring to. 
Pscientist
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Ritalin said:
SO true
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THE DAMNED THING WON'T QUIT!¡!!
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Is this the abstract, rhetorical statement thread thread?
If so, then I too have experienced something related to something, and found it to be quite something.
If so, then I too have experienced something related to something, and found it to be quite something.
No Knowing
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"The only real wisdom is knowing you know nothing."
-Socrates
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RebornInSmoke
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the more you find out, the more you realize you haven't got a clue...
People's writings of their subjective experiences are merely gross oversimplifications of what actually happened. We attempt to describe the ineffable, so it's really just a lot of crude comparisons usually.
Imagine this scenario for a minute. You have never been to an aquarium before, and you read about people talking about walking around inside this building where fish and other aqua life swim around the walls, in tanks and what not. You can read these descriptions all day long, but they're no substitute for actually going yourself and looking around in awe at all the beautiful sea creatures. Furthermore, 1/2 an hour after you've left, you'd probably have a hard time remembering how things were actually like in the aquarium and not some crude memories that probably aren't even terribly accurate. The thing about an aquarium vs. a DMT experience is that in the case of the aquarium, even if you've never been to one, you're familiar with enough about it to make the kind of "false", expectation-based memories that we tend to make all day long. i.e. you might not remember too much about it, but you would expect to (and did) see turtles and sharks and what not, so those are included in your "memories". In the case of DMT, a lot of it is so alien to the entire human experience, that expectations are highly limited, making it harder to make new memories which makes it harder to talk/write about if you can't even remember it accurately. The more you travel though, the more your expectations will become more accurate (even though DMT will shatter those occasionally anyway) which will allow you to retain better memories with which to tell more accurate stories. Anyway, I'm rambling, and the same thing happened to me when I started where I had read DMT reports up and down, but nothing could have actually prepared me for my experience other than just diving in. Hope you find awe and happiness on your travels :thumb_up:
Imagine this scenario for a minute. You have never been to an aquarium before, and you read about people talking about walking around inside this building where fish and other aqua life swim around the walls, in tanks and what not. You can read these descriptions all day long, but they're no substitute for actually going yourself and looking around in awe at all the beautiful sea creatures. Furthermore, 1/2 an hour after you've left, you'd probably have a hard time remembering how things were actually like in the aquarium and not some crude memories that probably aren't even terribly accurate. The thing about an aquarium vs. a DMT experience is that in the case of the aquarium, even if you've never been to one, you're familiar with enough about it to make the kind of "false", expectation-based memories that we tend to make all day long. i.e. you might not remember too much about it, but you would expect to (and did) see turtles and sharks and what not, so those are included in your "memories". In the case of DMT, a lot of it is so alien to the entire human experience, that expectations are highly limited, making it harder to make new memories which makes it harder to talk/write about if you can't even remember it accurately. The more you travel though, the more your expectations will become more accurate (even though DMT will shatter those occasionally anyway) which will allow you to retain better memories with which to tell more accurate stories. Anyway, I'm rambling, and the same thing happened to me when I started where I had read DMT reports up and down, but nothing could have actually prepared me for my experience other than just diving in. Hope you find awe and happiness on your travels :thumb_up:
Yeah, just when you think you've got a grasp of it it will surprise you again.
The big shocks that come with your first major psychedelic breakthrough are not necessarily about the crazy things you see, as much as they are about the amazing things you learn about your life. One of the big ones: you are no longer this isolated individual living life in this bewildering world, but a piece of a universal consciousness that IS the whole bewildering world. This turns reality on its head. Another one: everything is connected. To hear this as a spoken fact is one thing, but experiencing it firsthand is deeply profound. Each of these big realizations comes with a whole host of complex implications.
And there are a few of these big ones, the reality-shakers. You'll spend a lifetime integrating this stuff.
The big shocks that come with your first major psychedelic breakthrough are not necessarily about the crazy things you see, as much as they are about the amazing things you learn about your life. One of the big ones: you are no longer this isolated individual living life in this bewildering world, but a piece of a universal consciousness that IS the whole bewildering world. This turns reality on its head. Another one: everything is connected. To hear this as a spoken fact is one thing, but experiencing it firsthand is deeply profound. Each of these big realizations comes with a whole host of complex implications.
And there are a few of these big ones, the reality-shakers. You'll spend a lifetime integrating this stuff.
A. Hofmann
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Yeah, that's a good one, Guyomech. I've yet to dive into DMT, but my experiences with powerful doses of LSD and psilocin were exactly what you describe. It's one thing to believe that we're all connected, one thing to know that we're the Universe itself, and not subjects in an objectified reality where we are one thing and everybody else is another; but to feel the sameness, the unity, in the Universe, and to discover that you are the same as your buddy, to whom 'you' are speaking, is a whole new world entirely.
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'everything you know is wrong' sounds to me like the "this sentnce is untrue" self-referencing logical paradox...
what is the "truth" anyway and why is should it be so important? the world as far as I know is not based on boolean logic anyway...
what is the "truth" anyway and why is should it be so important? the world as far as I know is not based on boolean logic anyway...
Thanks for the remarks, I find them very relatable. I now understand it when travelers say that there are some times in life where ignorance truly is bliss, and I agree. I've come to realize(am working on integrating) that my life will never be the same, and often thoughts of these experiences are what wake me up in the morning and put me to sleep at night. The other day I felt like a clown, hiding my knowledge and experience that separates me from society behind a smile, while truly crying on the inside. This was the first time I have felt truly sad in quite a long time. The DMT Nexus is an incredible form of support for others who I'm certain have had these types of feelings before, and for that I thank every member.
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Having yet to delve into DMT, i am intrigued by how similar all of you are saying how we are connected. With LSD i felt that we were all connected and we were all one.
Not sure i can handle the truth of what DMT would throw at me just yet with already having so many questions and so few answers
Not sure i can handle the truth of what DMT would throw at me just yet with already having so many questions and so few answers
