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brokedownpalace10

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I am looking for any and all information on the usefulness of Desmanthus Illinoensis.
I have posted a similar question before, but I am hoping for more information.

I now have a number of plants growing in a couple locations and I'm wondering if I should continue to put the effort I have into it lately.

I want to use it as an Ayahuasca admixture, so extractions won't be in my plans.
 
It seems latetly that perhaps not many people have been doing such. The times that I've worked with desmanthus, except for one or two times, I have'nt weighed the material. I've had a nice experience with it, combined with P Harmala, While in a forest. Alas, it was years ago now and I've forgot if I even weighed it. Though from the times that I did wieght it exactly, 10 g were active, yet not a blowout. The time in the forest was definately awesome though.

How big are the plants? If you're not sure what to do atm, perhaps allow them to get bigger. The same plants grow year after year, dying back in fall and growing again during the growing season. I've discovered plants with (very) large tap roots, relative to what I expected after finding the first few wild ones.
 
BundleflowerPower said:
It seems latetly that perhaps not many people have been doing such. The times that I've worked with desmanthus, except for one or two times, I have'nt weighed the material. I've had a nice experience with it, combined with P Harmala, While in a forest. Alas, it was years ago now and I've forgot if I even weighed it. Though from the times that I did wieght it exactly, 10 g were active, yet not a blowout. The time in the forest was definately awesome though.

How big are the plants? If you're not sure what to do atm, perhaps allow them to get bigger. The same plants grow year after year, dying back in fall and growing again during the growing season. I've discovered plants with (very) large tap roots, relative to what I expected after finding the first few wild ones.
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I'm kind of spreading it around a few yards right now so most plants are pretty young. However, a few are at least 10 years old. I'm pretty tall (6'6" ) and they get chest height to me the second year and don't get any taller.

They re seeding right now. I can send you seeds if you want any.
 
BundleflowerPower said:
It seems latetly that perhaps not many people have been doing such. The times that I've worked with desmanthus, except for one or two times, I have'nt weighed the material. I've had a nice experience with it, combined with P Harmala, While in a forest. Alas, it was years ago now and I've forgot if I even weighed it. Though from the times that I did wieght it exactly, 10 g were active, yet not a blowout. The time in the forest was definately awesome though.

How big are the plants? If you're not sure what to do atm, perhaps allow them to get bigger. The same plants grow year after year, dying back in fall and growing again during the growing season. I've discovered plants with (very) large tap roots, relative to what I expected after finding the first few wild ones.
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Also, a question I have wondered about quite a bit is the Gramine levels. Have you looked into that? Have you ever done another Aya analogue? If so, did Desmanthus feel different?

Gramine does not come through in extractions, I know. However, if the levels in Desmanthus are low, as people say, then it would be much more suited for Ayahuasca. Then, Gramine might become a factor. Thoughts?
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
BundleflowerPower said:
It seems latetly that perhaps not many people have been doing such. The times that I've worked with desmanthus, except for one or two times, I have'nt weighed the material. I've had a nice experience with it, combined with P Harmala, While in a forest. Alas, it was years ago now and I've forgot if I even weighed it. Though from the times that I did wieght it exactly, 10 g were active, yet not a blowout. The time in the forest was definately awesome though.

How big are the plants? If you're not sure what to do atm, perhaps allow them to get bigger. The same plants grow year after year, dying back in fall and growing again during the growing season. I've discovered plants with (very) large tap roots, relative to what I expected after finding the first few wild ones.
Click to expand...

Also, a question I have wondered about quite a bit is the Gramine levels. Have you looked into that? Have you ever done another Aya analogue? If so, did Desmanthus feel different?

Gramine does not come through in extractions, I know. However, if the levels in Desmanthus are low, as people say, then it would be much more suited for Ayahuasca. Then, Gramine might become a factor. Thoughts?
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I don't know about the gramine. I Just worked with it anyway after I encountered the plant.

I'd love some seeds though. I have seeds as well from wild plants from my neck of the woods.
 
BundleflowerPower said:
brokedownpalace10 said:
BundleflowerPower said:
It seems latetly that perhaps not many people have been doing such. The times that I've worked with desmanthus, except for one or two times, I have'nt weighed the material. I've had a nice experience with it, combined with P Harmala, While in a forest. Alas, it was years ago now and I've forgot if I even weighed it. Though from the times that I did wieght it exactly, 10 g were active, yet not a blowout. The time in the forest was definately awesome though.

How big are the plants? If you're not sure what to do atm, perhaps allow them to get bigger. The same plants grow year after year, dying back in fall and growing again during the growing season. I've discovered plants with (very) large tap roots, relative to what I expected after finding the first few wild ones.
Click to expand...

Also, a question I have wondered about quite a bit is the Gramine levels. Have you looked into that? Have you ever done another Aya analogue? If so, did Desmanthus feel different?

Gramine does not come through in extractions, I know. However, if the levels in Desmanthus are low, as people say, then it would be much more suited for Ayahuasca. Then, Gramine might become a factor. Thoughts?
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I don't know about the gramine. I Just worked with it anyway after I encountered the plant.

I'd love some seeds though. I have seeds as well from wild plants from my neck of the woods.
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So, no biggy from the Gramine sounds like. How many times did you do it? PM sent
 
Homo Trypens said:
My Desmanthus are still very small. I can contribute one little piece of information: It survived last winter in Switzerland (near northern border, elevation ca. 400m / 1300ft). I hope next year it'll grow taller and make flowers - this year i almost killed it when mowing, because i didn't see it at first.
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That's awesome that you grew Desmanthus that far north and at such elevation.

They seem to come back if mowed once or twice or season. But they seem to not prefer being mowed too much.
 
[/quote]So, no biggy from the Gramine sounds like. How many times did you do it? PM sent
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Tbh, I dont know if gramine is a deal or not. I just figured that Desmanthus is worth the risk for me.

I've done it 3 or 4 or 5 times so far, and intend to take what I've learned and experiment more this upcoming growing season, after the winter.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
I am looking for any and all information on the usefulness of Desmanthus Illinoensis.
I have posted a similar question before, but I am hoping for more information.

I now have a number of plants growing in a couple locations and I'm wondering if I should continue to put the effort I have into it lately.

I want to use it as an Ayahuasca admixture, so extractions won't be in my plans.
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Greetings! I am currently harvesting a massive amount of Desmanthus Illioensis root, as the plant grows all over where I live. As I process the root and strip the bark, Ive noted something you may find interesting. Approximately 1 out of 20 mature plants have root bark that differs in color.
I only pull up mature plants where the seed bundle has turned black and the plant is generally finished and ready to drop.
Being a perennial, I only pull up plants that have been around a few years, have been cut back by the city maintenance crews, and have a thick root ball and thick meaty roots. First season plants have small roots and are better off cut back and allowed to grow a few more times. This creates a thicker root and, Im guessing, more of the sought after alkaloid.
So I noticed that the inner bark of the bigger roots has a distinct and familiar color to it. It is the same pinkish/purplish color found in MHRB. A good sign I hope.
But about 1 out of 20 plants or so, the root seems to lack this color entirely. Instead it is just an off white color, similar to the inner root. I decided to discard the ones I found in favor of the ones with color. The ones without the color were mature too, but usually not as much as the ones with the color. Hence, allowing the plant time to regrow a few times prior to harvest. Hoping to gain some insight during this experiment and will post the results and the entire process, as there is a giant lack of actual info on this particular plant. Surprising since its been in the literature for decades and, at least where I live, it is EVERYWHERE! And abundant too. We shall see. Cheers!
 
pineislandbayou said:
Greetings! I am currently harvesting a massive amount of Desmanthus Illioensis root, as the plant grows all over where I live. As I process the root and strip the bark, Ive noted something you may find interesting. Approximately 1 out of 20 mature plants have root bark that differs in color.
I only pull up mature plants where the seed bundle has turned black and the plant is generally finished and ready to drop.
Being a perennial, I only pull up plants that have been around a few years, have been cut back by the city maintenance crews, and have a thick root ball and thick meaty roots. First season plants have small roots and are better off cut back and allowed to grow a few more times. This creates a thicker root and, Im guessing, more of the sought after alkaloid.
So I noticed that the inner bark of the bigger roots has a distinct and familiar color to it. It is the same pinkish/purplish color found in MHRB. A good sign I hope.
But about 1 out of 20 plants or so, the root seems to lack this color entirely. Instead it is just an off white color, similar to the inner root. I decided to discard the ones I found in favor of the ones with color. The ones without the color were mature too, but usually not as much as the ones with the color. Hence, allowing the plant time to regrow a few times prior to harvest. Hoping to gain some insight during this experiment and will post the results and the entire process, as there is a giant lack of actual info on this particular plant. Surprising since its been in the literature for decades and, at least where I live, it is EVERYWHERE! And abundant too. We shall see. Cheers!
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Very interested to hear your results.
Even if it is rather low in alkaloids but dependable it would be great. So you need 20 grams for a dose? With Ayahuasca, so what?
 
pineislandbayou said:
Greetings! I am currently harvesting a massive amount of Desmanthus Illioensis root, as the plant grows all over where I live. As I process the root and strip the bark, Ive noted something you may find interesting. Approximately 1 out of 20 mature plants have root bark that differs in color.
I only pull up mature plants where the seed bundle has turned black and the plant is generally finished and ready to drop.
Being a perennial, I only pull up plants that have been around a few years, have been cut back by the city maintenance crews, and have a thick root ball and thick meaty roots. First season plants have small roots and are better off cut back and allowed to grow a few more times. This creates a thicker root and, Im guessing, more of the sought after alkaloid.
So I noticed that the inner bark of the bigger roots has a distinct and familiar color to it. It is the same pinkish/purplish color found in MHRB. A good sign I hope.
But about 1 out of 20 plants or so, the root seems to lack this color entirely. Instead it is just an off white color, similar to the inner root. I decided to discard the ones I found in favor of the ones with color. The ones without the color were mature too, but usually not as much as the ones with the color. Hence, allowing the plant time to regrow a few times prior to harvest. Hoping to gain some insight during this experiment and will post the results and the entire process, as there is a giant lack of actual info on this particular plant. Surprising since its been in the literature for decades and, at least where I live, it is EVERYWHERE! And abundant too. We shall see. Cheers!
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Interesting! It might also be an idea to keep some of the off-white roots for testing, just as a comparison. How else will you know your hypothesis is valid?

As well, it would be good to know whether the pale-rooted, nearly mature specimens will develop a purple-pink coloration if replanted for another year. This would prove highly informative for the would-be bundleflower gardener.
 
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