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Any interesting theories on what is deva vu?

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I think it's one of the grooviest and strangest feelings. Most ppl say it's a situation that you have been in before or seen. If that's the case then we would have it daily in our normal routine. My thoughts it's a lapse in time where we are completely in the moment of life. If you think about it we are never really in the pure moment except maybe after an orgasm and of course meditation. But when it happens it feels like your brain just stops for a split second and you observe your surroundings.
 
I don't know if the experience you're describing can be called deja vu. Deja vu doesn't refer to the feeling that we've been in a similar situation before (because yes, we would have it daily then), but in that exact situation before. And not because you have memories of it: while it's happening, you feel that you know exactly what's going to happen, you feel like you've seen it before, but you also know that you don't have a real memory of it. I've only had it happen twice.
 
When your reflection comes back with minimal distortion? You recognize the reflection since you yourself sent it out moments prior. Would be an interesting time-space location to investigate.

Could be that the ever-recursive creation of the Now is close to a previous time-space location and the warp-age of your own reflection is minimal and your Being noticed it.

I don't know, I'm just letting my mind wander.
🦋
 
Very interesting topic.
I think dejavu has different dimensions or aspects.
Time, space, location are definitely one of them, but in a contingent way.
Maybe it is not required to have this aspects but sufficient to have any or none of them?

rkba said:
Would be an interesting time-space location to investigate.
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One example which is very interesting is a dejavu experience which is associated with a dream.
Some sort of memory exists but it could be blurred.
And the space aspect is the fascinating point.
How is this experience linked? Between this space and a dream space?
Or a similar experience related to a psychedelic association.

blig-blug said:
I don't know if the experience you're describing can be called deja vu. Deja vu doesn't refer to the feeling that we've been in a similar situation before (because yes, we would have it daily then), but in that exact situation before. And not because you have memories of it: while it's happening, you feel that you know exactly what's going to happen, you feel like you've seen it before, but you also know that you don't have a real memory of it. I've only had it happen twice.
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Also something which is very interesting, is an experience which is not able to be associated with another memory, while the experience of the memory exist.
But also the phenomena where no association is possible at all, as no memory exists but also no passed experience exists.
 
I think the current favorite orthodox theory is that the memory system sets a flag or signal to say " this is a memory" when retrieving a memory, and that the normal sensory processing systems get used to process the memory too ( efficient re use of brain resources ).

Deja vu is thought to be when this "it's a memory" signal also gets sent while processing actual "live" sensory input so it feels like it's all happening again.
 
blig-blug said:
I don't know if the experience you're describing can be called deja vu. Deja vu doesn't refer to the feeling that we've been in a similar situation before (because yes, we would have it daily then), but in that exact situation before. And not because you have memories of it: while it's happening, you feel that you know exactly what's going to happen, you feel like you've seen it before, but you also know that you don't have a real memory of it. I've only had it happen twice.
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My experience is deva vu I'm just being open minded to a different theory than you described. It's just so cool I have It once a year.
 
rkba said:
When your reflection comes back with minimal distortion? You recognize the reflection since you yourself sent it out moments prior. Would be an interesting time-space location to investigate.

Could be that the ever-recursive creation of the Now is close to a previous time-space location and the warp-age of your own reflection is minimal and your Being noticed it.

I don't know, I'm just letting my mind wander.
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I think we are on a similar theory...you are smarter than me 😆 so I like your explanation better. I got another theory but still working on it.
Adding to what you said think about this. We can't focus on multiple senses at once. Like if you are describing what you are looking at your brain can't really focus on what you are hearing. As far as the dialogue in your head. Maybe during deva vu your sense somehow merge and you pause and everything feels weird like sensory overload.
 
LuxObscura said:
Very interesting topic.
I think dejavu has different dimensions or aspects.
Time, space, location are definitely one of them, but in a contingent way.
Maybe it is not required to have this aspects but sufficient to have any or none of them?


One example which is very interesting is a dejavu experience which is associated with a dream.
Some sort of memory exists but it could be blurred.
And the space aspect is the fascinating point.
How is this experience linked? Between this space and a dream space?
Or a similar experience related to a psychedelic association.


Also something which is very interesting, is an experience which is not able to be associated with another memory, while the experience of the memory exist.
But also the phenomena where no association is possible at all, as no memory exists but also no passed experience exists.
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💯. If I were to bet money on it I would guess it was in a forgotten dream and it played out exactly in reality. Dreams still fascinate me if I were to tell you my patterns of dreams you'd think I was exaggerating. I have separation and abandonment issues due to being adopted. So multiple times a week I have dreams that I'm in school and can't remember my next class. Panicking like it's the end of the world. Then I'm trying to contact my mom but never can get ahold of her. Never dream about women or super fun stuff anymore. All lost dreams
 
fractals4life said:
I think the current favorite orthodox theory is that the memory system sets a flag or signal to say " this is a memory" when retrieving a memory, and that the normal sensory processing systems get used to process the memory too ( efficient re use of brain resources ).

Deja vu is thought to be when this "it's a memory" signal also gets sent while processing actual "live" sensory input so it feels like it's all happening again.
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Interesting, this explains are cases mentioned before.
 
blig-blug said:
But I didn't describe a theory, just an experience :)
To be clear, you mean the experience of having an intense feeling of having lived the situation? Regardless of what may be what causes it. Or a different experience?
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Yes the feeling of lived situation...for years I was convinced that it was a scenario that was previously in our dreams. I still do but just exploring different
LuxObscura said:
Interesting, this explains are cases mentioned before.
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Best explanation I've heard so far 💯
 
I have no real idea but I had a really creepy dream once involving Deja Vu.

I invaded someone's home, went into their mind, blocked some of their memories, and put in "hooks" that would link instead to fake memories. I observed the person at a distance and he kept telling people he'd been experiencing "Deja Vu"

So I tend to look at people sideways when they say they feel Deja Vu. But it was just a dream lol
 
Omggrovyness. I thought I had profound wild dreams but that's nuts. I bet you will never forget it. So can you describe in more detail the process of entering someone's mind? Then you watched him from a distance telling ppl or the dream weirdly put you in his minds perspective? I love dreams and tried to learn to lucid dream but it never works and I dream multiple times a night
 
I see the confusion there. It would be cool if he said that IRL but no, lol, it was all in the dream. I left his mind and observed him, all in the dream, at a distance. No idea who this guy was but he had a very distinct face. If I saw someone with that face, I'd associate it easily.

This was not a lucid dream, so I felt like a passenger to my actions. After spotting the guy I decided to look at his "state of mind" the environment just changed to reflect it within seconds.

It looked more or less like a dirty room. Just mundane stuff everywhere. It was a mess, completely unorganized, so I figured it'd be easy to get him to do what I wanted. (All notions I remember having in memory, but I also remember that at the time I wasn't self aware). I was just replacing his stuff with my stuff and somehow knew these were memories. He would end up associating my memories with his stuff because it was such a mess and he wouldn't look too hard.

When I left it was the same as going in, environment just changed, but I fled to look from a distance to see if it held. Deja vu apparently meant he noticed something was off but didn't know what.
 
My theory about deja vu, is that studies have been made that point to our subconscious mind has made a decision before we are consciously aware of that decision (goodbye free will, it was nice knowing you). A deja vu is when there is the subconscious coming to the fore and getting consciously processed nanoseconds before the "awake" mind processes the event. Therefore you get the experience twice. Like in dreams when an outside event, like a light being turned on in the bedroom can be incorporated into the story line of a dream. The light comes on but in the dream there was a relatable chain of events that lead to the light being in your dream.

The subconscious melding with the conscious but milliseconds apart.
 
I'm coming down from a trip and I could drone on and one for days about biopsychology but I'd really suggest reading into the phenomenon if you're curious. A very large cross section of the population will experience it at some point in life but it's linked to all sorts of quirks in brain chemistry. Other things to look into are lucid dreaming and sleep walking or sleep disorders in general.

It's interesting to see what the brain does when it misbehaves. Biochemistry indeed is groovy 👍

Alright, I tried to write this comment for 3 hours in as few of words as possible and I think this is it 😂 that rabbit hole was deep as hell for me this morning.
 
hugfortysix said:
My theory about deja vu, is that studies have been made that point to our subconscious mind has made a decision before we are consciously aware of that decision (goodbye free will, it was nice knowing you). A deja vu is when there is the subconscious coming to the fore and getting consciously processed nanoseconds before the "awake" mind processes the event. Therefore you get the experience twice. Like in dreams when an outside event, like a light being turned on in the bedroom can be incorporated into the story line of a dream. The light comes on but in the dream there was a relatable chain of events that lead to the light being in your dream.

The subconscious melding with the conscious but milliseconds apart.
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That's exactly how I thought about it but couldn't put it in fancy words like you lol 😆
 
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